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Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 12:46:02 AM   
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A new Gallup poll has found some interesting data on how much different groups personally worry about global warming. Worrying about global warming seems to be predominantly a Democrat pastime. Of the Democrats surveyed, 82% said they personally worried about global warming either a great deal or at least a "fair amount". For Independents it was 49%, and 37% among Republicans.

There was also an age factor at work. Among 18-29 year olds, 70% personally worry about global warming a fair amount of the time or more. But this falls off with each higher age cohort. Is that because older people are less inclined to get excited over every new disaster du jour, or because the young have more reason to fear the consequence if the predictions prove valid?

My guess is, the answer is a little bit of both on the second question. But why worrying over global warming is so predominantly a Democrat pastime seems open to speculation. Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either. Anyone have any views on that?

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 12:55:24 AM   
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I don't know that I expected much different results. Even to the extent man is contributing, it is very gradual so the effects as I have been arguing if borne out to be true, IF the globe is to suffer, by the time everybody gets on board, it will be...too late.

One reason is because (globalized) man will still be burning fossil fuels and will continue to do so.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 1:06:03 AM   
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Kirata? Your 'attachment' doesn't go anywhere....

For everyone else, Look Here!

What is 'global warming'? A concept scientists used many years ago, to try to explain what the Theory of Climate Change was about, to a population that has (at the time) a barely passing 'high school freshman' science level. In today's terms, that's about the sixth grade. That most of the people polled, I would suspect, would fail a senior level examine in the sciences on the topic. What do the poll numbers really tell us, given that?

What is curious, is the number of Americans worrying about environmental problems. In both March of last year and this one, more than half of those polled are worried about pollution in drinking water. Most people do not understand the theory at the scientific level to understand the concept. So they have no idea how those rivers got polluted, nor how to clean them up. Or the long term effects that pollution has on ecosystem above and below the water line at all parts that river connects. Most Americans, sadly, do not have this knowledge. Even more worrisome is the amount of misinformation out there.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 2:23:24 AM   
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Kirata? Your 'attachment' doesn't go anywhere....

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Attachments don't "go anywhere," they're just local image files. The link to GALLUP was (wait for it) the link to GALLUP.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 2:24:39 AM   
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Kirata? Your 'attachment' doesn't go anywhere....
For everyone else, Look Here!
What is 'global warming'? A concept scientists used many years ago, to try to explain what the Theory of Climate Change was about, to a population that has (at the time) a barely passing 'high school freshman' science level. In today's terms, that's about the sixth grade. That most of the people polled, I would suspect, would fail a senior level examine in the sciences on the topic. What do the poll numbers really tell us, given that?
What is curious, is the number of Americans worrying about environmental problems. In both March of last year and this one, more than half of those polled are worried about pollution in drinking water. Most people do not understand the theory at the scientific level to understand the concept. So they have no idea how those rivers got polluted, nor how to clean them up. Or the long term effects that pollution has on ecosystem above and below the water line at all parts that river connects. Most Americans, sadly, do not have this knowledge. Even more worrisome is the amount of misinformation out there.


Kirata: "Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either"

Joether: (paraphrased) "The majority of those polled [ie. not just Republicans] were stupid."

According to the numbers, when you group respondents according to education and distill into two groups (ones who think about it at least a fair amount, and ones who don't), you end up with this:
    T1. Some college ------- 57%
    T1. High School or less -- 57%
    T3. Postgraduate ------- 55%
    T3. College Graduate ----55%


Apparently, as "stupid people" gain education, they get "many stoopider."



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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:03:52 AM   
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Kirata? Your 'attachment' doesn't go anywhere....

For everyone else, Look Here!

What is 'global warming'? A concept scientists used many years ago, to try to explain what the Theory of Climate Change was about, to a population that has (at the time) a barely passing 'high school freshman' science level. In today's terms, that's about the sixth grade. That most of the people polled, I would suspect, would fail a senior level examine in the sciences on the topic. What do the poll numbers really tell us, given that?

What is curious, is the number of Americans worrying about environmental problems. In both March of last year and this one, more than half of those polled are worried about pollution in drinking water. Most people do not understand the theory at the scientific level to understand the concept. So they have no idea how those rivers got polluted, nor how to clean them up. Or the long term effects that pollution has on ecosystem above and below the water line at all parts that river connects. Most Americans, sadly, do not have this knowledge. Even more worrisome is the amount of misinformation out there.



That's right joe, most americans are just stupid. I've heard some of them don't even understand simple words like attachment.


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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:33:14 AM   
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Many people worry about global climate change from the warmist perspective and include, for instance, increasing storms of various types. "The theory of global warming is a gigantic weather forecast for a century or more." Is that true? Is that what the theory really is? A long term weather prognostication writ large? It does seem that climate change proponents do point at weather trends, such being the indicators as to the theory being true / not true. AGW, GCC, is quite alarmist. Is a few degree increase in global temperature, a rise of a few inches of sea level, and such a necessarily bad thing? Is it bad for plant life? Is it a lowering of food production? Is it even something so absolutely new that Man is about to be destroyed? Haven't we always been about conquering nature?

"Some of the utterances of the warmists are preposterously specific. In March 2009, the Prince of Wales declared that the world had “only 100 months to avert irretrievable climate and ecosystem collapse”. How could he possibly calculate such a thing?"

Either the Prince's data he relied upon is false or he's just a Chicken Little and one wonders just what his motivations were in such an utterance. If the science behind AGW is correct he's giving it a bad name. I don't remember anyone in the GCC camp chiding him for his remarks.

"Like most of those on both sides of the debate, Rupert Darwall is not a scientist. He is a wonderfully lucid historian of intellectual and political movements"

Neither is the Prince a scientist, yet people will condemn Darwall for his scholarship. Not the Prince. But what is being pointed to is history. Modern science seems to igonre such in favor of the new idea.

"The origins of warmism lie in a cocktail of ideas which includes anti-industrial nature worship, post-colonial guilt, a post-Enlightenment belief in scientists as a new priesthood of the truth, a hatred of population growth, a revulsion against the widespread increase in wealth and a belief in world government."

One might point to the UN's Agenda 21. Is it truly about saving Gaia or is about power and control using AGW as a vehicle. Is AGW, ACC, whatever merely a smokescreen?

"These beliefs began to take organised, international, political form in the 1970s. One of the greatest problems, however, was that the ecologists’ attacks on economic growth were unwelcome to the nations they most idolised – the poor ones. The eternal Green paradox is that the concept of the simple, natural life appeals only to countries with tons of money. By a brilliant stroke, the founding fathers developed the concept of “sustainable development”. This meant that poor countries would not have to restrain their own growth, but could force restraint upon the rich ones. This formula was propagated at the first global environmental conference in Stockholm in 1972."

Reversion to the lowest common denominator. One wonders why people like ALGORE utilize such a large carbon footprint as to help reduce others.

"The warmists’ idea was that the global fight against carbon emissions would work only if the whole world signed up to it. ...the developing countries refused. The Left-wing dream that what used to be called the Third World would finally be emancipated from Western power had come true. The developing countries were perfectly happy for the West to have “the green crap”, but not to have it themselves. The Western goody-goodies were hoist by their own petard.

Last week, the latest IPCC report made the usual warnings about climate change, but behind its rhetoric was a huge concession. The answer to the problems of climate change lay in adaptation, not in mitigation, it admitted. So the game is up."
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So who worries? I'd say the absolutely fearful. The Kool-Aid drinkers. They worry about everything the elites tell them to worry about. Are there things to really be worried about? Of course. But I question if AGW, ACC, is one of them as such seems more political than science.

If it is indeed political and not actually science there is reason to be alarmed, but not for the safety of Gaia.



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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:35:17 AM   
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Kirata? Your 'attachment' doesn't go anywhere....

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Attachments don't "go anywhere," they're just local image files. The link to GALLUP was (wait for it) the link to GALLUP.

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Yeah, see that after now. You didn't change the color. That would have avoided that snafu!

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:47:12 AM   
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Personally, I am so freakin tired of hearing the dread warnings. The other thing that bothers is that the science seems so obscure . . . predictions from computer models with supposed adjustments for chaos theory. I dunno. Maybe Dems are just more easily lead. Less suspicious of government.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:48:29 AM   
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Kirata: "Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either"

Joether: (paraphrased) "The majority of those polled [ie. not just Republicans] were stupid."


Impressive, you actually tried to be funny for one, DS. Unfortunately your....WAY OFF TOPIC....






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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:51:58 AM   
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. But why worrying over global warming is so predominantly a Democrat pastime seems open to speculation. Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either. Anyone have any views on that?

K.



My guess is that the figures of those who worry and those who don't worry about global warming reflect the figures of those who accept the scientific consensus and those who find reasons to reject it.

The Right, as it so often does, chooses to make up its own 'facts' on AGW and to reject the scientific consensus. People who accept the Right's claims on this issue are not likely to worry about the consequences of something they reject as a "left wing conspiracy to re-distribute wealth".

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:57:28 AM   
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I dunno. Maybe Dems are just more easily lead. Less suspicious of government.


I agree as to less suspicious, making it more easier led; not intrinsically easier led. There is also the possibility that Dems find agreement with government aims, therefore not led at all.


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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 7:02:16 AM   
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Kirata: "Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either"
Joether: (paraphrased) "The majority of those polled [ie. not just Republicans] were stupid."

Impressive, you actually tried to be funny for one, DS. Unfortunately your....WAY OFF TOPIC....


Impressive how you attempt to demean, but don't actually disagree...

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Yeah, see that after now. You didn't change the color. That would have avoided that snafu!


Oddly enough, the link is a different color. The "attachment" was also preceded by the "paperclip" icon, which, if you've ever used Microsoft Office products, or any email program I've ever used, doesn't mean a link, but an attachment. And, if we can but go one step further, an attachment, isn't a link, else, it would be called, a "link."

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That's right joe, most americans are just stupid. I've heard some of them don't even understand simple words like attachment.




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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 7:22:25 AM   
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I dunno. Maybe Dems are just more easily lead. Less suspicious of government.


I agree as to less suspicious, making it more easier led; not intrinsically easier led. There is also the possibility that Dems find agreement with government aims, therefore not led at all.


Dems have the heritage of FDR and JFK and other advocates of believing that government can solve problems and make things work. Even LBJ was doing a reasonable job, especially on civil rights which is a core Dem value, until he foolishly sacrificed so many young men in a war he knew he could not win. GW Bush (the portrait painter) is a child of LBJ on the war issue. For me, it is how government is viewed. I favor an active government but I distrust the United Nations. And I distrust science presented on a political platform. On the other hand I don't quiver in fearsome anticipation that government is sending drones to spy on me. (although there is a drone in earth orbit now . . . .hmmmmm......)

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 8:15:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

. But why worrying over global warming is so predominantly a Democrat pastime seems open to speculation. Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either. Anyone have any views on that?

K.



My guess is that the figures of those who worry and those who don't worry about global warming reflect the figures of those who accept the scientific consensus and those who find reasons to reject it.

The Right, as it so often does, chooses to make up its own 'facts' on AGW and to reject the scientific consensus. People who accept the Right's claims on this issue are not likely to worry about the consequences of something they reject as a "left wing conspiracy to re-distribute wealth".


So truthful....

The 'Right' as you call it tweakabelle, really don't understand science. So the question "how much evidence do they have to see, to take the notion seriously"? While over on another thread, the number of homicides dropped in Chicago and must therefore be due to concealable carry firearms being allowed in the area. Not a single, scientific study directly linking the two together with solid evidence, and they'll believe it without an ounce of question.

An its not because they doesn't understand it, its because they are AFRAID of it. Back in the 2008 election, only 6% of Scientists voted Republican. An when one looks at the attitudes and viewpoints of conservatives, its not hard to understand it. They are against space exploration/astronomy, medical science, biotechnology, biology, chemistry, physics....even meteorology. Who was against stem cell research back when it was brand new? Conservatives. They were afraid a stem cell could be cloned into a full human (no really, that WAS the reasoning back then). They are against developing good green technologies, because the President supported the notion.

Most Scientists four years later are NOT Republicans. Scientists work best in environments that push creative goals, innovative techniques, and deep thinking goals to be accomplished. Not something typically found at the average Tea Party Rally.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 8:18:36 AM   
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A new Gallup poll has found some interesting data on how much different groups personally worry about global warming. Worrying about global warming seems to be predominantly a Democrat pastime. Of the Democrats surveyed, 82% said they personally worried about global warming either a great deal or at least a "fair amount". For Independents it was 49%, and 37% among Republicans.

There was also an age factor at work. Among 18-29 year olds, 70% personally worry about global warming a fair amount of the time or more. But this falls off with each higher age cohort. Is that because older people are less inclined to get excited over every new disaster du jour, or because the young have more reason to fear the consequence if the predictions prove valid?

My guess is, the answer is a little bit of both on the second question. But why worrying over global warming is so predominantly a Democrat pastime seems open to speculation. Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either. Anyone have any views on that?

K.


I worry about global warming in the same sense that I worry about the fact that someday I will be dead. It's not something I dwell upon or allow to become a barrier to living my life, but it's something worth being informed upon.

Perhaps age might be a factor. If the consequences for something won't really affect someone in their own lifetime, they might not be as inclined to worry about it as things that have more direct and immediate effect on their lives. People look at their own immediate surroundings, and as long as what they see is peaceful, serene, and comfortable, then that's what the whole world will look like. Even for those whose surroundings are not so peaceful or comfortable, global warming may not be something of immediate concern, as there might be more pressing matters the people might focus on.

Fact is, if society really was worried about global warming to the point of demanding that we take serious measures to reduce carbon emissions and take whatever actions are humanly possible to reduce global warming, then that would mean everyone in society would have to make some hard decisions about their lifestyles, consumption habits, and other changes to their quality and way of life. If push came to shove, I don't think people of any age would really want to do that. People will still consume, use energy, use resources, and emit carbon into the atmosphere.

I'm also not sure exactly what the long-term consequences will be, no matter if we stop all carbon emissions tomorrow or if we keep on going as we are. If we're talking about depletion of arable farmland and other vital resources, then the ensuing global conflict would be a more immediate consequence than the actual results of global warming itself.



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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 8:56:31 AM   
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if society really was worried about global warming to the point of demanding that we take serious measures to reduce carbon emissions and take whatever actions are humanly possible to reduce global warming,




There's a dangerous thought in there. One thing from what I posted is this -

a dislike of the human race (The Club of Rome’s work Mankind at the Turning-Point said: “The world has cancer and the cancer is man.”).

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 10:22:46 AM   
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It's not so much as a doomsday scenario as many people think, and I feel that is why there is such a pushback on the issue on climate change. Yes we will have harsher seasonal extremes (colder winters, hotter, drier summers), yes we will see increased sea level rises, yes we will see more intense storms.

But it doesn't mean the END.

Humans will adapt, that much is obvious. But it will result in more difficult situations for people living decades from now. Drier summers will be mean crops will have a harder time growing, sea level increased by as much as a meter will displace a lot of people living on the coasts, and more intense storms will result in damages that will cost more than the actions that could be taken to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Humans will be fine, we'll survive, but things will change and not for the better. I don't worry about climate change, because it's already beginning, with what we've put into the atmosphere there are changes that are going to happen regardless of our actions today. I worry about the ramifications of climate change and how many will have to suffer because a couple of morons refuse to listen to reason and the science.



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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 10:38:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

. But why worrying over global warming is so predominantly a Democrat pastime seems open to speculation. Arguing "stupid Republicans" doesn't explain why worry over global warming isn't eating up many Independents either. Anyone have any views on that?

K.



My guess is that the figures of those who worry and those who don't worry about global warming reflect the figures of those who accept the scientific consensus and those who find reasons to reject it.

The Right, as it so often does, chooses to make up its own 'facts' on AGW and to reject the scientific consensus. People who accept the Right's claims on this issue are not likely to worry about the consequences of something they reject as a "left wing conspiracy to re-distribute wealth".


So truthful....

The 'Right' as you call it tweakabelle, really don't understand science. So the question "how much evidence do they have to see, to take the notion seriously"? While over on another thread, the number of homicides dropped in Chicago and must therefore be due to concealable carry firearms being allowed in the area. Not a single, scientific study directly linking the two together with solid evidence, and they'll believe it without an ounce of question.

An its not because they doesn't understand it, its because they are AFRAID of it. Back in the 2008 election, only 6% of Scientists voted Republican. An when one looks at the attitudes and viewpoints of conservatives, its not hard to understand it. They are against space exploration/astronomy, medical science, biotechnology, biology, chemistry, physics....even meteorology. Who was against stem cell research back when it was brand new? Conservatives. They were afraid a stem cell could be cloned into a full human (no really, that WAS the reasoning back then). They are against developing good green technologies, because the President supported the notion.

Most Scientists four years later are NOT Republicans. Scientists work best in environments that push creative goals, innovative techniques, and deep thinking goals to be accomplished. Not something typically found at the average Tea Party Rally.



Before you get all, yanno self congratulatory, lets consider a few things.

1. Clearly, the republican party is home to more evangelicals and religious people. So scientists would tend to be democrat.
2. Most science is funded by government grants. Government grants require kowtowing to democratic administrators, and requires statist political structure. Ie., huge grants require an activist government. If you want a grant it is difficult to want to trim bureaucracy.
3. Republicans have had a platform against infant stem cell research. Ergo, those kinds of researchers will tend democrat.
4. Most science requires multiple years of education at a college or university which are overwhelmingly democrat.

So its not particularly impressive that scientists vote democratic - especially not after the 2008 election where dimocrats were talking of the extinguishment of the republican brand completely.

I'd hazard a guess that 80% of the people on welfare vote democrat too.

As for understanding it, or being afraid of it - thats completely your own wetdream. Its a lot like obamacare. I'm not opposed to it because I don't understand it. I'm opposed to it because I do.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 10:42:13 AM   
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Lol, democrats talking about the extinguishment of the republican brand? If anything, dems have been saying the republican brand is going to extinguish themselves, and from the look of things they might be right

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