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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 3:18:58 PM   
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And this is based on what? Something you pulled out of your ass?

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 3:23:01 PM   
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I don't know that I expected much different results. Even to the extent man is contributing, it is very gradual so the effects as I have been arguing if borne out to be true, IF the globe is to suffer, by the time everybody gets on board, it will be...too late.

One reason is because (globalized) man will still be burning fossil fuels and will continue to do so.


We're very near a global cooling phase.

Be sure to let us know when it starts, then.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 3:35:16 PM   
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I don't know that I expected much different results. Even to the extent man is contributing, it is very gradual so the effects as I have been arguing if borne out to be true, IF the globe is to suffer, by the time everybody gets on board, it will be...too late.

One reason is because (globalized) man will still be burning fossil fuels and will continue to do so.


We're very near a global cooling phase.

Talk to me in August. I doubt you'll still be claiming that.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 4:47:53 PM   
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Randians are even more delusional than fundie evangelists


But not quite so much as 'tolerant' liberals.

I dont tolerate wilful ignorance...and Ive always claimed that, which is why..we dont get on.




You must have allergies.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 4:51:50 PM   
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And this is based on what? Something you pulled out of your ass?


Oh, off the top of my head...

Esterbrook, c2005, 2006, 2007, 2008,
Kovanen c.2001

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 4:57:47 PM   
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Not that you'll actually, like read them.

So here's some pretty pictures..




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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 4:59:57 PM   
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More pretty pictures for the liberals who won't read.....




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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:01:19 PM   
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Yet more pretty pictures...




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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:06:39 PM   
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So.. let me quote a little bit.

The significance of the correlation between the GDO, PDO, and global temperature is that once this connection has been made, climatic changes during the past century can be understood, and the pattern of glacial and climatic fluctuations over the past millennia can be reconstructed. These patterns can then be used to project climatic changes in the future. Using the pattern established for the past several hundred years, in 1998 I projected the temperature curve for the past century into the next century and came up with curve ‘A’ in Figure 5 as an approximation of what might be in store for the world if the pattern of past climate changes continued. Ironically, that prediction was made in the warmest year of the past three decades and at the acme of the 1977-1998 warm period. At that time, the projected curved indicated global cooling beginning about 2005 ± 3-5 years until about 2030, then renewed warming from about 2030 to about 2060 (unrelated to CO2—just continuation of the natural cycle), then another cool period from about 2060 to about 2090. This was admittedly an approximation, but it was radically different from the 1° F per decade warming called for by the IPCC. Because the prediction was so different from the IPCC prediction, time would obviously show which projection was ultimately correct.

Now a decade later, the global climate has not warmed 1° F as forecast by the IPCC but has cooled slightly until 2007-08 when global temperatures turned sharply downward. In 2008, NASA satellite imagery (Figure 6) confirmed that the Pacific Ocean had switched from the warm mode it had been in since 1977 to its cool mode, similar to that of the 1945-1977 global cooling period. The shift strongly suggests that the next several decades will be cooler, not warmer as predicted by the IPCC.


The IPCC prediction of global temperatures, 1° F warmer by 2011 and 2° F by 2038 (Fig. 1), stand little chance of being correct. NASA’s imagery showing that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has shifted to its cool phase is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007). The PDO typically lasts 25-30 years and assures North America of cool, wetter climates during its cool phases and warmer, drier climates during its warm phases. The establishment of the cool PDO, together with similar cooling of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), virtually assures several decades of global cooling and the end of the past 30-year warm phase. It also means that the IPCC predictions of catastrophic global warming this century were highly inaccurate.


Don J. Easterbrook is Professor Emeritus of Geology at Western Washington University. Bellingham, WA. He has published extensively on issues pertaining to global climate change.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:24:36 PM   
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Its so annoying seeing posters still using DEBUNKED information / 'statistics' about Global Warming, such as the so called Medieval Warming period. But I'm done with the issue of Global Warming - it has been shown both in practice and in psychology that it isn't possible to change the minds of people who deny science.

All I'm going to say is that Global Warming IS a disaster. Considering that we only have ONE Earth and are in absolutely no position to get off of it within the next 1000 years, and Global Warming effects snowball (ironic statement I know)...

2 c over 100 years is bad enough, but over the next 1,000 years, where will humanity be with unchecked Global Warming?

That's right - no one cares about that far in the future. Humans are a tiny fraction of lifetime spent on this Earth, and even less of a fraction compared to the Universe. We are unbelievably vulnerable on our single planet that is running out of resources and facing multiple environmental problems including water supply, soil quality, habitable land, space debris, crumbling ecosystems from a variety of sources (pollution, over consumption, destruction of native wildlife all of which contribute in a circle of life). Anyways, no point in saying any more. The verdict has already been decided in this country at least.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:27:55 PM   
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So, dear liberal readers who will not read a study that isn't on the approved list lets point out some things.


First, all the data are from ice cores. Pretty solid research. I've supplied links to them before.


Take a look at the first picture.
Take a look at the little pimple labelled "Present Global Warming". This is the catastrophic global warming. Seems kind of.. not up to all the hype doesn't it.
Take a look at the Younger Dryas / Preboreal transition, I've talked about earlier. Contrary to DOMKEN who claimed that the present global warming was unprecendented in the history of the planet.. when in fact.. the current "global warming" is a pimple on an flea.

I provided links earlier to sources again that said the rise was 15 degrees.. 1 degree a decade is *insignificant*

So .. if you look at the science - and you looked at the billions of dollars blown by the IPCC whose data would give the better fit to actual temperatures? You'd think the IPCC, eh?

And you'd be, once again. Wrong.





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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:36:08 PM   
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Glad to see you giving up. So much easier than just admitting you're wrong isn't it.




You know.. Hadcrut.. the European satellite temperature measurements?




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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:37:56 PM   
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Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?




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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 5:58:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

You picked a single moment in time as if that proves something? Do you know what is happening right now in the Eastern Pacific? Do you know the significance? Care to discuss the probable impact on global climate?

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:07:29 PM   
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Everything stated has already been debunked, keep blabbering on, because it doesn't change the way the world is. I'm personally done debating you, because clearly this isn't about the science to you, it's politics. It's sad really. Enjoy your ignorance my friend, the rest of the world will move on without ya

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:24:47 PM   
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Not to worry tk. We have at least 50 more years.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 6:47:25 PM   
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With cons like you, we'd be lucky if we even make it that far

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 7:58:07 PM   
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I am literally stunned by the sheer stupidity of what you have posted. I'm sorry, but this is over. You win, you have demonstrated your clear lack of grasp on reality, as well as your clear inability to understand what the definition of critical thinking is. You can regurgitate the definition quite clearly, and you can claim what I have said is not critical thinking, despite the fact that it is. Just because I don't reach the same conclusion you do, does not mean I am not thinking critically. You should take that into consideration the next time you decide to spew verbal vomit, good day


It is called the flat Earth Society. He is a full-fledged member.

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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 9:12:13 PM   
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if society really was worried about global warming to the point of demanding that we take serious measures to reduce carbon emissions and take whatever actions are humanly possible to reduce global warming,




There's a dangerous thought in there. One thing from what I posted is this -

a dislike of the human race (The Club of Rome’s work Mankind at the Turning-Point said: “The world has cancer and the cancer is man.”).


Well, sure, it could be dangerous if society really was as worried as that. But for that to happen, there would have to be widespread public and political demand to do so. But at this point, the public has more immediate concerns. Global warming is more of a peripheral concern. It's there, but few people seem to have any idea as to what we can do about it, if anything.

I don't think the human race is a "cancer" or anything like that. But politically, the idea of global warming (and the resulting political proposals to curtail it) might be difficult to sell in a developing world which is trying to industrialize and give their people the same benefits of consumerism that we have come to enjoy. There are billions who want nice homes with hot and cold running water, heating and air conditioning, modern kitchens, cable TV, internet - along with their own cars and the infrastructure needed for a first world standard of living. China and India have over a billion people each, and they're going to want all this stuff, just as we have it. Then there's the rest of Asia, Africa, the Americas... And they're slowly but surely getting it, too. The left favors a better standard of living for the developing world, and the right favors it because it will increase and enhance the global marketplace.

This will take more resources, more industry, more consumption, more pollution, etc. This is even assuming ideal global conditions, both economically and geopolitically (and assuming that we can maintain global production of resources and world food supply, which is kind of iffy right now).

Against that backdrop, it would seem that political ramifications which come from worrying about global warming would be dependent on how big of an actual worry it might be - not just for the U.S. voting public, but on a world-wide scale. That would also give an indication as to how dangerous such a worry might be. As FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."

I don't think it would be as bad as Soylent Green, although we'll probably continue to get the usual supply of Soylent Brown we're already getting from the politicians.


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RE: Who Worries about Global Warming? - 4/7/2014 9:13:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

You picked a single moment in time as if that proves something? Do you know what is happening right now in the Eastern Pacific? Do you know the significance? Care to discuss the probable impact on global climate?


LOL. There are at least 3 events happening over the eastern pacific, that relate to global warming. So it would be easy for me to pick one and you to say I'm wrong.

Sorta like.. I pull a needle in the haystack and you say.. nooo I meant the *blue* needle.

So I suppose you're talking about the England study about equatorial surface temperatures and trade winds.
Which, when I told you it was happening about 300 posts ago, you poo-poo'd and said it wasn't. Ie, that fact that surface temperatures are COLDER in equatorial regions and in temperate regions, warmer in the artic.
I even gave you a post to the data.

More or less your paper says that when the trade winds slow down - watch out.. global warming re-occurs.
Entirely misses the point that his is just another feedback loop that wasn't in the original AGW, and isn't accounted for it. (And, has nothing to do with carbon for the record). However, it does fit Easterbrook.

I will also point out the data are *less* than happened in the 1920's - 1930's. Thermoclines less - both atmospheric and oceanographic.

So perhaps I should quote the study.."Previously, no climate models have incorporated a trade wind strengthening of the magnitude observed, and these models failed to capture the hiatus in warming".
Ie., once again AGW was wrong.


So dom ken. What color needle where you looking for?


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