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So for 20 years he has been breaking the law. His reason, his family settled the area, and have been grazing cattle on the land for 157 years, claiming ancestral rights to the land.

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Predation and conservation status[edit]

Ravens, gila monsters, kit foxes, badgers, roadrunners, coyotes, and fire ants are all natural predators of the desert tortoise. They prey on eggs, juveniles, which are 2–3 inches long with a thin, delicate shell, or in some cases adults. Ravens are hypothesized to cause significant levels of juvenile tortoise predation in some areas of the Mojave Desert – frequently near urbanized areas. The most significant threats to tortoises include urbanization, disease, habitat destruction and fragmentation, illegal collection and vandalism by humans, and habitat conversion from invasive plant species (Brassica tournefortii, Bromus rubens and Erodium spp.).

Desert tortoise populations in some areas have declined by as much as 90% since the 1980s, and the Mojave population is listed as threatened. It is unlawful to touch, harm, harass or collect wild desert tortoises. It is, however, possible to adopt captive tortoises through the Tortoise Adoption Program (TAP) in Arizona, Utah Division of Wildlife Resources Desert Tortoise Adoption Program in Utah, Joshua Tree Tortoise Rescue Project in California, or through Bureau of Land Management in Nevada. When adopted in Nevada, they will have a computer chip embedded on their back for reference. According to Arizona Game and Fish Commission Rule R12-4-407 A.1, they may be possessed if the tortoises are obtained from a captive source which is properly documented. Commission Order 43: Reptile Notes 3: one tortoise per family member.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Harry Reid's son is also a lawyer, representing some foreign energy developers. Reid has received campaign funds from the group of foreign energy developers.

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Bundy has supposedly paid all fees due under state law. The problem, as I understand it, is that BLM came in and changed the agreement, adding its own fees which Bundy objects to. Involves turtles, or something about them. I've heard reports that the turtles are doing fine and even that there are so many they are being destroyed.

I've also read that Harry Reid (D-NV) is supportive of a foreign business, Chinese I think, developing a wind farm on that property, along with there being minerals and other valuables business wants to get its hands on.

Information is slowly coming out that its about more than what's being reported. There are supposedly deals in the backroom worth millions, if not billions, and Bundy is standing in the way.

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For more information see here, here, and here.

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Okay, it seems there was this rancher in Nevada who has been grazing his cattle on public lands since 1993 without paying grazing fees. His permit was revoked then because he violated regulations protecting an endangered species.
So for 20 years he has been breaking the law. His reason, his family settled the area, and have been grazing cattle on the land for 157 years, claiming ancestral rights to the land.

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This is an old article which some will take issue with. Not the article but the messenger. That's to be expected.

DK, that "There have been federal grazing fees on federal lands since the 40's since the BLM was created", does that include the land in question or was it BLM annexed at a later date?

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This is an old article which some will take issue with. Not the article but the messenger. That's to be expected.

DK, that "There have been federal grazing fees on federal lands since the 40's since the BLM was created", does that include the land in question or was it BLM annexed at a later date?

That article even admits the family in question didn't own the land they were grazing, you can tell by reading carefully where the author discusses water rights, and there is no doubt at all that the family in this case has no right to graze the land with out paying either.

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So basically this guy is being evicted for not paying his rent and failing to follow the terms in the lease agreement. I wonder, if I smashed up my apartment, shit on the floors, and refused to pay my rent, would these right wing "militia" nutjobs show up to defend me from being evicted?

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This is an old article which some will take issue with. Not the article but the messenger. That's to be expected.

DK, that "There have been federal grazing fees on federal lands since the 40's since the BLM was created", does that include the land in question or was it BLM annexed at a later date?

That article even admits the family in question didn't own the land they were grazing, you can tell by reading carefully where the author discusses water rights, and there is no doubt at all that the family in this case has no right to graze the land with out paying either.

Did that family have grazing rights?


"Kit and Sherry have spent hours in courthouses in Catron, Grand and Sierra counties, searching titles and documents all the way back to the original claims of water and grazing rights in the 1800s.

They have developed a clear chain of title showing continuous private ownership of the water rights and the attendant grazing rights on the land that is now claimed by the government.

They believe the government’s original withdrawal of the land in 1899 could not include their land, since private property rights had attached to the land."


I'm guessing they did show clear chain, as -


"Neither the Forest Service nor the federal court are impressed with Laney’s reasoning," - not any lack of clear chain.


One can dispute what follows in that article, but it is an argument that can be made.

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Just as in this case, this rancher has grazed his cattle on land that is not his for generations but he must pay for the privilege and he hasn't so his cattle must go.

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Just as in this case, this rancher has grazed his cattle on land that is not his for generations but he must pay for the privilege and he hasn't so his cattle must go.

In the Bundy case, whom does he pay? BLM or, pursuant to state law, the county?

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And what does that have to do with this asshole who simply stopped paying his grazing fees 20 years ago?