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DomKen -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 5:10:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Can't do math I see. Did you examine the rounding? I guess not. The actual rate is as high as 1.2 per million and the average for the period covered by the report is 1.15 per million. Do those look like 1 in a million odds to you? Well actually, if you want to run the calculation out to two decimal places, the rate would be 1.08 per million for the 2010 number I cited. And yeah, that looks close enough to me to be broadly characterized as one in a million. But I didn't use that phrase. I posted the actual data instead. Also, I never said anything about the average for the entire period because the overall trend has been downward, so that would be deceptive. You know, like you. K. I doubt any parent gives a shit that there kid has a one in a million chance per year to blow his brains out with a gun. Put the numbers together though and you get the true figure. Which is closer to 1 in 90,000. and the guy wasn't excluding the 15 to 18's and neither was I liar. Add in those and what do you get?

DomKen -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 5:13:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And ten times as many will drown in swimming pools. Do you want to do something about deaths or are they alright as long as a gun isn't involved? By your reasoning we have to take into account that thousands will be killed by their pet dogs if you add up enough years. Responsible parents with pools and dogs do take precautions. And certainly the pool industry doesn't spend its money trying to keep parents from doing so.

DomKen -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 5:14:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD To you want to do something about deaths or are they alright as long as a gun isn't involved? In the past, Ken has been an apologist for the collateral damage of slaughtered children in military operations. So I think he just mainly whines about it when it serves his agenda. You know how some people are. Actually you are just a lying sack of shit as the above proves.

thishereboi -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 6:06:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And ten times as many will drown in swimming pools. Do you want to do something about deaths or are they alright as long as a gun isn't involved? By your reasoning we have to take into account that thousands will be killed by their pet dogs if you add up enough years. Responsible parents with pools and dogs do take precautions. And certainly the pool industry doesn't spend its money trying to keep parents from doing so. Responsible parents with guns also take precautions but in both cases, kids still die. The only difference I see is the amount of media attention each death produces.

mnottertail -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 6:24:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And ten times as many will drown in swimming pools. Do you want to do something about deaths or are they alright as long as a gun isn't involved? By your reasoning we have to take into account that thousands will be killed by their pet dogs if you add up enough years. Responsible parents with pools and dogs do take precautions. And certainly the pool industry doesn't spend its money trying to keep parents from doing so. Responsible parents with guns also take precautions but in both cases, kids still die. The only difference I see is the amount of media attention each death produces. This is a semi-fast reply, since I don't want to go all the way back. But, yanno, lets get rid of drunken driving laws, they are fuckin stupid. So, a few folks get killed, no biggie, shit, even wholly sober drivers get in accidents and kill people. I mean lets look at the entire spectrum of these deaths logically and treat them equivalently, cuz there is no nuance here, everyone dies its just a matter of how and when.

DomKen -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 8:34:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And ten times as many will drown in swimming pools. Do you want to do something about deaths or are they alright as long as a gun isn't involved? By your reasoning we have to take into account that thousands will be killed by their pet dogs if you add up enough years. Responsible parents with pools and dogs do take precautions. And certainly the pool industry doesn't spend its money trying to keep parents from doing so. Responsible parents with guns also take precautions but in both cases, kids still die. The only difference I see is the amount of media attention each death produces. When was the last time a responsible parent gun owner had a gun accident leading a death?

kdsub -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 11:31:28 AM)
Kirata In my book anyone under 18 is a child... plus amazing how your 62 for the whole US matches mine for just Missouri. Lets think this through since you don't seem to think 62 gun deaths under 18 means anything. This includes the police officer who put his service revolver on the frig...His young son found it and put a bullet through the brain of his sister. This includes the mother who put a loaded weapon under the cushions of her couch... her son found it and blew the heart out of a playmate. This includes the 12 year old child setting on her porch when a drive by shooter blew her brains out by mistake. This includes the baby in her crib that took a bullet to the head that came through her bedroom wall. There are many more that can easily be searched....and these were just in my home town not the whole state. The 62 does not even include the disabled and wounded children that managed to survive...are they not important too? This would include my 5 year old grandson shot in the arm by his cousin while visiting my wife's X in-laws. Non of these examples would have been injured with a technology that limits one user. So you say what of the gangbangers killing each other... will the Bama's of this world tell me these are mostly stolen weapons... will if they are then they would not work in the hands of the thieves. At first this technology ,if perfected, would have little affect but as time went on fewer and fewer guns would be available. Yes they would find other ways to kill but the accidents would be mostly eliminated and the randomness of drive by's would be a thing of the past saving... YES... thousands of lives. By the way check out THESE figures... there were 846 gun deaths in 2010 in Missouri...more than traffic deaths...Missouri is only the fifth worse state... so start doing the math... then tell me this single user technology would not help.

thompsonx -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 11:55:56 AM)
In my book anyone under 18 is a child... And yet a 17 year old can buy a ticket for the body bag lotto(military service).

kdsub -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 12:05:10 PM)
If you want to get technical... then reduce the age to 16... does it make a difference to you?

thompsonx -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 12:17:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub If you want to get technical... then reduce the age to 16... does it make a difference to you? My point was that according to you children are allowed in the u.s. military. Now if you are old enough to carry a gun and play "cowboys&motherfuckers" then one is not a child.

Kirata -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 1:08:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub In my book anyone under 18 is a child... plus amazing how your 62 for the whole US matches mine for just Missouri. Well, you're entitled to consider anyone under 30 a child if it pleases you. But if the difference between a 5-year old and a 16-year old escapes you, I can't reason you out of a position that reason didn't get you into. As for the second part, there's nothing amazing about it. Firearm deaths from all circumstances among the 17 and under crowd is going to include every kind of mayhem from gang wars to fatalities occurring during armed robberies. The issue here, since you seem to have lost sight of it, is accidental firearm deaths. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub you don't seem to think 62 gun deaths under 18 means anything Don't pull that kind of shit on me. K.

Kirata -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 1:20:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata In the past, Ken has been an apologist for the collateral damage of slaughtered children in military operations. So I think he just mainly whines about it when it serves his agenda. You know how some people are. Actually you are just a lying sack of shit as the above proves. Well, no. Nor am I the first person who has taken note your propensity to slice and dice issues of moral superiority to suit whatever agenda you're pushing. K.

DomKen -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 2:17:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata In the past, Ken has been an apologist for the collateral damage of slaughtered children in military operations. So I think he just mainly whines about it when it serves his agenda. You know how some people are. Actually you are just a lying sack of shit as the above proves. Well, no. Nor am I the first person who has taken note your propensity to slice and dice issues of moral superiority to suit whatever agenda you're pushing. Bullshit liar. You're just trying to hide the fact that you tried to hide the fact that you tried to pretend a letter to the editor was a real source. Now how about the fact that by using your own source the real rate of accidental gun deaths in children is less than 1 in 100,000 not the 1 in 1,000,000 you claimed?

Kirata -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 2:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen by using your own source the real rate of accidental gun deaths in children is less than 1 in 100,000 not the 1 in 1,000,000 you claimed? Oh it's definitely less than 1 in 100,000. So much less that it's closer to being 1 in 1,000,000. And since I know that you tend to be fuzzy with details, I didn't "claim" that. The CDC data reports it. Can you still see daylight from the bottom of that hole? K.

kdsub -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 2:39:20 PM)
thompson...our children have been dying for us in every war... they are the ones that bear the burden...and yes they are still children... carrying a gun...following orders..does not make you mature...that takes time. You were a child...so was I when we served and fought. We were just lucky enough to have a chance to grow to maturity. Butch

kdsub -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 2:47:40 PM)
quote: But if the difference between a 5-year old and a 16-year old escapes you, Not when they both can kill with a gun and die by one...and that is whats happening. quote: As for the second part, there's nothing amazing about it. Firearm deaths from all circumstances among the 17 and under crowd is going to include every kind of mayhem from gang wars to fatalities occurring during armed robberies. The issue here, since you seem to have lost sight of it, is accidental firearm deaths. I listed example of accidental deaths... a few among the 60 fucking 2... But do you think those killed in crime by 17 and under don't count? Those 17 and under killed by other 17 and under...they don't count either? If as most gun supporters say...crime is committed by stolen weapons... then how can not single owners guns not at least vastly reduce this type of crime? What about the innocents under 17 killed in crossfires and drive by's... don't they count as accidents either?...I can understand a difference in opinion in numbers... but not in the need to reduce what numbers there are. How many of those 846 were killed with legally bought weapons... I'll bet a good portion were killed with stolen... or by a legally bought gun used by another person... How many of those would be walking the earth today... If Missouri was number 5 in 2010... imagine how many people young and old in the entire country in just ONE year that would still be walking the earth. 62 children in one state in one year alone are bad enough under any circumstances but why should you limit the benefit to just children... Don't those over 18 count? Butch

thompsonx -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 3:03:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub thompson...our children have been dying for us in every war... Not mine: I know what causes that and I am rather cautious. they are the ones that bear the burden...and yes they are still children... Besides them and the feble minded who with a three digit iq would? carrying a gun...following orders..does not make you mature...that takes time. You were a child...so was I when we served and fought. Why not save that gungi shit for the lifers because it cuts no ice with me. We were just lucky enough to have a chance to grow to maturity. Not me...I just got older.

kdsub -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 3:05:26 PM)
Proof... miracles still happen...[:D]

DomKen -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 3:10:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen by using your own source the real rate of accidental gun deaths in children is less than 1 in 100,000 not the 1 in 1,000,000 you claimed? Oh it's definitely less than 1 in 100,000. So much less that it's closer to being 1 in 1,000,000. And since I know that you tend to be fuzzy with details, I didn't "claim" that. The CDC data reports it. Can you still see daylight from the bottom of that hole? The CDC proves it is isn't anywhere near 1 in 1,000,000 liar. You trier to exclude 15 to 18 year olds and you're still trying to make an annual rate into a lifetime chance.

BamaD -> RE: right-wing douche bags stalk CEO that developed a "safer gun" (5/3/2014 5:00:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I think he shot his mouth off without thinking... No, that's what he calls thinking. K. Since he already has all the answers he doesn't need to think.

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