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ORIGINAL: KYsissy
I was more interested in the percentage of populations that have valid IDs. Is it roughly the same across racial groups?
Could this be a big non-issue that both parties use to whip up their respective bases?
“Our economy is in the tank. We’re in a national debt crisis. The progressive agenda in D.C. is not producing results. Washington politicians from both political parties can't defend their broken programs, so they have to play the shiny object game on social issues,”
Carl DeMaio

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
What, exactly, is wrong with requiring a photo ID to vote?
A state ID in most states is less than 20 bucks, easily obtained with birth certificate, social security card and at least one other form of identification.
Besides, you need a photo ID to cash a paycheck, to fill some prescriptions, for a job (along with social security card) and other daily activities.
In most states you cannot get public assistance without an ID.

There are some categories of people who may not have a birth certificate and may have a very difficult time getting one (the older you are, the more difficult it could be). The elderly may not have the $15-30 to get a birth certificate for ID req's. In most states (if not all) that have passed Voter ID laws, non-driver license ID's are free, but you still have to have the background documents. There may also be issues regarding getting to a SS office to apply.

I think what is needed is a program that helps those without ID's get them (free of charge), and a program in schools (part of "government" class?) where the student applies for and gets a non-DL ID. Eventually, every citizen would have an ID that has gone through the program, and those who don't have an ID would have free help getting one.

Maybe we could just accept that our overlords already know who we would vote for, so polling won't be necessary anymore? That seems reasonable.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

Just curious if anyone knows the percentages of minorities that have a state issued ID vs other populations. Dem vs. Repubs?

It would be interesting info.

I'm not sure if this will help answer your question or not, but, but you could probably get some idea by which states are more conservative and which are more liberal.

Strict photo ID in effect: Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Tennessee, and Texas. In addition Arkansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Virginia have strict photo ID laws that are not yet in effect. (Obviously Wisconsin is off this list for now anyway.)

Photo ID in effect: Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Dakota. In addition Alabama has a photo ID requirement not yet in effect.

Strict non-photo ID in effect: Arizona, Ohio, and Virginia.

Non-photo ID in effect: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.

No ID required at polling place: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming do not require ID to vote.

-SD-

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
What, exactly, is wrong with requiring a photo ID to vote?
A state ID in most states is less than 20 bucks, easily obtained with birth certificate, social security card and at least one other form of identification.
Besides, you need a photo ID to cash a paycheck, to fill some prescriptions, for a job (along with social security card) and other daily activities.
In most states you cannot get public assistance without an ID.

There are some categories of people who may not have a birth certificate and may have a very difficult time getting one (the older you are, the more difficult it could be). The elderly may not have the $15-30 to get a birth certificate for ID req's. In most states (if not all) that have passed Voter ID laws, non-driver license ID's are free, but you still have to have the background documents. There may also be issues regarding getting to a SS office to apply.
I think what is needed is a program that helps those without ID's get them (free of charge), and a program in schools (part of "government" class?) where the student applies for and gets a non-DL ID. Eventually, every citizen would have an ID that has gone through the program, and those who don't have an ID would have free help getting one.
Maybe we could just accept that our overlords already know who we would vote for, so polling won't be necessary anymore? That seems reasonable.

PAs schools are already doing this for students, and you can get your birth cert free in Harrisburg if you can prove hardship.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten
In all the polling places Ive been a total of 5 in the last 8 years, Ive had to show my photo ID in PA

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Facts are facts -- you're spinning a story -- but not referencing any actual, documented case of voter fraud. You also failed to answer the questions I posed.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

I think the Counties control voting rules. In the 2 Ohio counties I've voted in (the only counties I've ever lived in), I had to show ID. Without an ID, you get a provisional ballot, even if you are on the voter roll.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy
I was more interested in the percentage of populations that have valid IDs. Is it roughly the same across racial groups?
Could this be a big non-issue that both parties use to whip up their respective bases?
“Our economy is in the tank. We’re in a national debt crisis. The progressive agenda in D.C. is not producing results. Washington politicians from both political parties can't defend their broken programs, so they have to play the shiny object game on social issues,”
Carl DeMaio

I think the majority of people who don't have acceptable ID are minorities, poor, and, to some extent, the elderly. I think that's where you'll find your largest number of people without it.

Since the minorities and poor tend to vote Democrat, the Democrats see Voter ID laws as attacking their voter base.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


There have been numerous documented cases of fraud.
I've given you links.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

I was more interested in the percentage of populations that have valid IDs. Is it roughly the same across racial groups?

Could this be a big non-issue that both parties use to whip up their respective bases?

“Our economy is in the tank. We’re in a national debt crisis. The progressive agenda in D.C. is not producing results. Washington politicians from both political parties can't defend their broken programs, so they have to play the shiny object game on social issues,”

Carl DeMaio

If you want to collect welfare in Michigan, you have to have id. If you don't have id they will help you get it. So the percentage of welfare recipients that have id is 100%. Now that won't tell you how many minorities have them but it will tell you if the idea is to stop poor people from voting then it's not going to work well here.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: KYsissy

I was more interested in the percentage of populations that have valid IDs. Is it roughly the same across racial groups?

Could this be a big non-issue that both parties use to whip up their respective bases?

“Our economy is in the tank. We’re in a national debt crisis. The progressive agenda in D.C. is not producing results. Washington politicians from both political parties can't defend their broken programs, so they have to play the shiny object game on social issues,”

Carl DeMaio

If you want to collect welfare in Michigan, you have to have id. If you don't have id they will help you get it. So the percentage of welfare recipients that have id is 100%. Now that won't tell you how many minorities have them but it will tell you if the idea is to stop poor people from voting then it's not going to work well here.

You really don't get this, do you? People are trying to talk about VOTING RIGHTS and RACE, and you are responding with issues like prescription drugs, welfare and poverty. Please, please, please try to stay on topic. All of your arguments have zero to do with the topic of this thread. No one cares what types of ID people have and what purposes they are used for. That doesn't have any bearing on the specific issues of Voter ID, Voting Rights and Race.