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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 10:16:20 AM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Reading comprehension was never your strong suit.


Yours, it would appear, is not existant.

"The RNC was (probably) guilty of voter supression"


If they were not guilty they would not have signed the consent decree now would they.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 10:17:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are blowing your own bad breath back in your face, sonny boy, and it is evident and showing in the garish light of day for anyone who reads the consent decree.

Here is the actual consent decree, read it and learn to comprehend English.

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/Democracy/dnc.v.rnc/1982%20consent%20decree.pdf

Here is a summary for the short fingered amongst you (which still will escape your untutored and factually famined minds).

http://www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/dnc-v-rnc-consent-decree


My comprehension is impeccable, you are the clown in the opera bouffe here. Read the decree, the nutsackers are not abiding by it, and it is not a matter of not contesting voter fraud, the decree deals with methods of security to prevent voter fraud or other shenanigans by poll workers.



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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 10:41:06 AM   
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Since the minorities and poor tend to vote Democrat,

Why is that?


Mainly because they believe the lie that the left care about them any more than the right.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 10:48:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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I was more interested in the percentage of populations that have valid IDs. Is it roughly the same across racial groups?

Could this be a big non-issue that both parties use to whip up their respective bases?

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If you want to collect welfare in Michigan, you have to have id. If you don't have id they will help you get it. So the percentage of welfare recipients that have id is 100%. Now that won't tell you how many minorities have them but it will tell you if the idea is to stop poor people from voting then it's not going to work well here.


You really don't get this, do you? People are trying to talk about VOTING RIGHTS and RACE, and you are responding with issues like prescription drugs, welfare and poverty. Please, please, please try to stay on topic. All of your arguments have zero to do with the topic of this thread. No one cares what types of ID people have and what purposes they are used for. That doesn't have any bearing on the specific issues of Voter ID, Voting Rights and Race.


I was trying to explain why the idea that voter id is targeting the poor doesn't hold water in this area of the country since they have to have it to collect any kind of benefits. If they already have the id, then what is wrong with asking them to show it when they vote?

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 10:52:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Since the minorities and poor tend to vote Democrat,

Why is that?


Mainly because they believe the lie that the left care about them any more than the right.



So it would be your contention that all demopubs are stupid because they continually vote for it?
What has the right done to convice the poor and minorities that they care more for them than the left?

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 11:46:29 AM   
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The RNC was (probably) guilty of voter suppression

Let's be 100% clear on this. There was no probably about it. They were caught red handed. They have been caught numerous times since then as well. GOP voter suppression accounts for many more votes than all the allegations of vote fraud. I wonder why no conservative is worked up about all of those effects on the outcomes of elections?

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 12:56:57 PM   
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http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/mississippi-naacp-leader-sent-to-prison-for-10-counts-of-voter-fraud/

Voting fraud is non-existent until you look for it. With no requirement for identification it is possible to vote multiple times just stating that you are the registered voter.

If identification is required there can be no more voting the cemetery or stuffing the ballot box.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 2:18:54 PM   
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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 2:20:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, we have an anecdotal 10 here and lets run that thru all the states, and we still aint got a fraudulent election winner.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 2:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		That was absentee ballot voter fraud. Given the prison term he received, why would any normal person risk incarceration to cast one or ten extra votes? There is no risk reward that makes any sense here.

Next, if the ID law prevents 30,000 people from voting, it seems better not to enact it -- and stick to prosecuting anyone who commits voter fraud, especially when voter fraud is non existent.

Doesn't it bother you that the real motive behind these laws is partisan advantage and not justice and "crime prevention" at the polls. Are you not persuaded in any manner by the judges reasoned ruling in this case, or do you just blow all the facts and analysis off?

Why can't the Republicans simply win more votes? Why can't they take the high road? Why do so many conservatives endorse the low road?

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 2:36:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
DS, I'm not uber-positive about how it works here (yet) but I think the counties "control" voting rules to the extent that they're charged with enforcing the state laws pertaining to voting.
Yes, my Voter ID Card is issued by my county but, I can guarantee you that if I were a former convicted felon and the state had a law that I could not vote, the county could not circumvent that rule.
In the mean time, I was asked (three times), when converting my driver's license from New Jerky to Pennsyltucky, if I wanted to register to vote. The last 'station" where this occurred was just as I was getting my photo taken.
I asked the DMV rep if it was the same for people getting non-driving commonwealth IDs and I was told: "Absolutely! We encourage everyone to register to vote, once we know that they are who they say they are."
Pretty cut-and-dried, for me.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I think the Counties control voting rules. In the 2 Ohio counties I've voted in (the only counties I've ever lived in), I had to show ID. Without an ID, you get a provisional ballot, even if you are on the voter roll.


I've talked with other people in Ohio that haven't had to show ID to vote. Now, whether or not it was a case of a different County (it was) having different rules or not, I don't know. Could also have been the voter and the poll worker knowing each other so ID wasn't necessary (the poll worker would be the positive ID for the voter), or what.



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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 2:38:54 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		See, this is hilarious how the nutsackers are slobbering out of both sides of their mouth on this, Voter ID yes, gun control no.
Using exactly the same contrapositive logic.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 4:05:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

That was absentee ballot voter fraud. Given the prison term he received, why would any normal person risk incarceration to cast one or ten extra votes? There is no risk reward that makes any sense here.

Next, if the ID law prevents 30,000 people from voting, it seems better not to enact it -- and stick to prosecuting anyone who commits voter fraud, especially when voter fraud is non existent.

Doesn't it bother you that the real motive behind these laws is partisan advantage and not justice and "crime prevention" at the polls. Are you not persuaded in any manner by the judges reasoned ruling in this case, or do you just blow all the facts and analysis off?

Why can't the Republicans simply win more votes? Why can't they take the high road? Why do so many conservatives endorse the low road?


Please do explain how its preventing someone from voting.

seriously you need a fucking ID FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING unless of course your not a legal citizen. How in the world have 30k people survived doing ANYTHING?

Want to go to an r rated movie and look young? ID
Want to buy Cigs? ID
Want to buy Alchohol? ID
Want to get a Job? ID
Want to get a passport? ID
Want to get welfare in most states? ID
Want to cash a check? ID
Want to use a credit card? ID
Want to use a check to pay for something? ID
Want to get a registered substance from a pharmacy? ID
Want to get a package from UPS or FEDEX? ID
Want to buy a gun? ID
Want to buy superglue? ID
want to buy spray paint? ID
Want to buy Cough Syrup? ID
want to fly? ID
Want to buy a car? ID
want to buy most train tickets? ID
Want to open a bank account? ID
Want to rent a house? ID
Want a mortgage? ID
Want to get married? ID
Want to adopt a pet? ID
Want to rent a hotel room? ID
Want a hunting license? ID
Want to get a cell phone? ID
Want to go to the casino? ID
Want to donate blood? ID
Want to buy an M rated video game? ID
Want to buy nail polish at some CVS's? ID

Why is everyone up in fucking arms, because they want to add to the list.

Want to vote? ID

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 4:37:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

That was absentee ballot voter fraud.



But ... but ... but ... there is NO voter fraud. It doesn't exist. It's a non-issue.

When will Pablum©-pukers learn that the days of Chicago Democratic Machine-style voting are coming to a close. Equality in Voting; coming soon to a polling place near you. Be there ... live!







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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 4:43:29 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

That was absentee ballot voter fraud. Given the prison term he received, why would any normal person risk incarceration to cast one or ten extra votes? There is no risk reward that makes any sense here.

Next, if the ID law prevents 30,000 people from voting, it seems better not to enact it -- and stick to prosecuting anyone who commits voter fraud, especially when voter fraud is non existent.

Doesn't it bother you that the real motive behind these laws is partisan advantage and not justice and "crime prevention" at the polls. Are you not persuaded in any manner by the judges reasoned ruling in this case, or do you just blow all the facts and analysis off?

Why can't the Republicans simply win more votes? Why can't they take the high road? Why do so many conservatives endorse the low road?


Please do explain how its preventing someone from voting.

seriously you need a fucking ID FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING unless of course your not a legal citizen. How in the world have 30k people survived doing ANYTHING?

Want to go to an r rated movie and look young? ID
Want to buy Cigs? ID
Want to buy Alchohol? ID
Want to get a Job? ID
Want to get a passport? ID
Want to get welfare in most states? ID
Want to cash a check? ID
Want to use a credit card? ID
Want to use a check to pay for something? ID
Want to get a registered substance from a pharmacy? ID
Want to get a package from UPS or FEDEX? ID
Want to buy a gun? ID
Want to buy superglue? ID
want to buy spray paint? ID
Want to buy Cough Syrup? ID
want to fly? ID
Want to buy a car? ID
want to buy most train tickets? ID
Want to open a bank account? ID
Want to rent a house? ID
Want a mortgage? ID
Want to get married? ID
Want to adopt a pet? ID
Want to rent a hotel room? ID
Want a hunting license? ID
Want to get a cell phone? ID
Want to go to the casino? ID
Want to donate blood? ID
Want to buy an M rated video game? ID
Want to buy nail polish at some CVS's? ID

Why is everyone up in fucking arms, because they want to add to the list.

Want to vote? ID


My 80 something year old aunt got on quite well for many years without a current drivers license. When Alabama passed their version of the voter ID law she went through quite a lot of back and forth to get the voter ID. Why would a retired person bother keeping a current ID except for these stupid voter ID laws?

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 7:08:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


Want to go to an r rated movie and look young? ID
Want to buy Cigs? ID
Want to buy Alchohol? ID
Want to get a Job? ID
Want to get a passport? ID
Want to get welfare in most states? ID
Want to cash a check? ID
Want to use a credit card? ID
Want to use a check to pay for something? ID
Want to get a registered substance from a pharmacy? ID
Want to get a package from UPS or FEDEX? ID
Want to buy a gun? ID
Want to buy superglue? ID
want to buy spray paint? ID
Want to buy Cough Syrup? ID
want to fly? ID
Want to buy a car? ID
want to buy most train tickets? ID
Want to open a bank account? ID
Want to rent a house? ID
Want a mortgage? ID
Want to get married? ID
Want to adopt a pet? ID
Want to rent a hotel room? ID
Want a hunting license? ID
Want to get a cell phone? ID
Want to go to the casino? ID
Want to donate blood? ID
Want to buy an M rated video game? ID
Want to buy nail polish at some CVS's? ID

Why is everyone up in fucking arms, because they want to add to the list.

Want to vote? ID


Want to follow the Constitution? No ID.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 7:13:31 PM   
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Spoil sport

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/6/2014 10:44:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


Please do explain how its preventing someone from voting.

seriously you need a fucking ID FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING unless of course your not a legal citizen. How in the world have 30k people survived doing ANYTHING?

Want to go to an r rated movie and look young? ID
Want to buy Cigs? ID
Want to buy Alchohol? ID
Want to get a Job? ID
Want to get a passport? ID
Want to get welfare in most states? ID
Want to cash a check? ID
Want to use a credit card? ID
Want to use a check to pay for something? ID
Want to get a registered substance from a pharmacy? ID
Want to get a package from UPS or FEDEX? ID
Want to buy a gun? ID
Want to buy superglue? ID
want to buy spray paint? ID
Want to buy Cough Syrup? ID
want to fly? ID
Want to buy a car? ID
want to buy most train tickets? ID
Want to open a bank account? ID
Want to rent a house? ID
Want a mortgage? ID
Want to get married? ID
Want to adopt a pet? ID
Want to rent a hotel room? ID
Want a hunting license? ID
Want to get a cell phone? ID
Want to go to the casino? ID
Want to donate blood? ID
Want to buy an M rated video game? ID
Want to buy nail polish at some CVS's? ID

Why is everyone up in fucking arms, because they want to add to the list.

Want to vote? ID




At least half the items in this list require an ID only to establish proof of your age, not to prove who you are.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/7/2014 4:42:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


Want to go to an r rated movie and look young? ID
Want to buy Cigs? ID
Want to buy Alchohol? ID
Want to get a Job? ID
Want to get a passport? ID
Want to get welfare in most states? ID
Want to cash a check? ID
Want to use a credit card? ID
Want to use a check to pay for something? ID
Want to get a registered substance from a pharmacy? ID
Want to get a package from UPS or FEDEX? ID
Want to buy a gun? ID
Want to buy superglue? ID
want to buy spray paint? ID
Want to buy Cough Syrup? ID
want to fly? ID
Want to buy a car? ID
want to buy most train tickets? ID
Want to open a bank account? ID
Want to rent a house? ID
Want a mortgage? ID
Want to get married? ID
Want to adopt a pet? ID
Want to rent a hotel room? ID
Want a hunting license? ID
Want to get a cell phone? ID
Want to go to the casino? ID
Want to donate blood? ID
Want to buy an M rated video game? ID
Want to buy nail polish at some CVS's? ID

Why is everyone up in fucking arms, because they want to add to the list.

Want to vote? ID


Want to follow the Constitution? No ID.


From the 15th Amendment: I made the REALLY fucking important part... Very fucking obvious. IF you STILL dont get it... Well....
"right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Really? Where in the Constitution does it say ANYONE regardless of citizenship can vote? Last I checked you had to be 18 (an adult) and an American citizen. The US Constitution is for US citizens, Not for Canadians, Mexicans, Cuban, Europeans, Australians, Or anyone else voting to elect US officials.

And If its changed... Im demanding to fuck up every other country out there by voting in their shit.

Whats wrong with proving this to people? I have to prove I am who I say I am to pick up shit from the pharmacy, I have to prove my age to buy cough syrup. But GOD FOR FUCKING BID, We make it harder to VOTE then we do to buy cough syrup.

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RE: Voter ID is the Real Fraud - 5/7/2014 4:45:07 AM   
quizzicalkitten


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


Please do explain how its preventing someone from voting.

seriously you need a fucking ID FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING unless of course your not a legal citizen. How in the world have 30k people survived doing ANYTHING?

Want to go to an r rated movie and look young? ID
Want to buy Cigs? ID
Want to buy Alchohol? ID
Want to get a Job? ID
Want to get a passport? ID
Want to get welfare in most states? ID
Want to cash a check? ID
Want to use a credit card? ID
Want to use a check to pay for something? ID
Want to get a registered substance from a pharmacy? ID
Want to get a package from UPS or FEDEX? ID
Want to buy a gun? ID
Want to buy superglue? ID
want to buy spray paint? ID
Want to buy Cough Syrup? ID
want to fly? ID
Want to buy a car? ID
want to buy most train tickets? ID
Want to open a bank account? ID
Want to rent a house? ID
Want a mortgage? ID
Want to get married? ID
Want to adopt a pet? ID
Want to rent a hotel room? ID
Want a hunting license? ID
Want to get a cell phone? ID
Want to go to the casino? ID
Want to donate blood? ID
Want to buy an M rated video game? ID
Want to buy nail polish at some CVS's? ID

Why is everyone up in fucking arms, because they want to add to the list.

Want to vote? ID




At least half the items in this list require an ID only to establish proof of your age, not to prove who you are.



I bolded the ones that require you to prove who you are... That looks a like a lot more then half...

Where did you learn math?

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