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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 12:01:32 PM   
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Well considering the killers have thrown morals out the window when they murdered someone, why should they get better treatment than their victims?

I am getting really sick and tired about hearing about the rights of criminals,

We are not speaking about the rights of criminals but the rights of human beings.

what about the rights of the victims? victims' families?

They have a right to justice not revenge.

It is getting to the point where the criminal's rights matter more than the victims. A federal judge orders thousands of California inmates transferred to other prisons because they are being exposed to valley fever, who the fuck cares?

When one goes to prison it is for a specified amount of time that they will be removed from society. To expose them to toxins that could harm them is not part of their sentence.

We give free meals to inmates and then try to cut the free breakfast program to students, makes a lot of sense.

If you are locked up in prison where would you get food except that which is given to you?



Inmates get better health care than most Americans,

Common dude that is just ignornat. Most americans (as in 51%) have health insurance.


living conditions are even better than some Americans.

I would spend the rest of my life sleeping under a bridge and eating out of a dumpster behind micky d before I would voluntarily spend one fucking day in the finest prison.

Hell some prisons might as well be resorts, with the amenities they have.

Like lompoc where they sent the plumbers?

I am all in favor of bringing back chain gangs, road gangs, breaking rocks, put these bastards to work doing something productive.

70% of the people you wish to have breaking rocks and doing something productive are in the joint for drug reated crimes.
Why do you thing smoking pot or free basing require someone to be on a chain gang?


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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 12:05:00 PM   
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Not sure we could find a buyer but this evades the greater question. About 70% of the people in he joint in the u.s. are in for drug related crimes. Set them free,stop arresting people for doing drugs. Then there would be 70% more prison space,70% more judges,cops and prosecutors for real criminals.

Well, it isn't "evading" it. The topic is capital punishment.

My point was that it would solve the overcrowding problem.




Why just pick on one crime?
Why not go the whole hog and just ban all laws so that it's impossible to break one?
Ergo: no criminals whatsoever.
Then we can dispense with all the jails, the courts, the lawyers, and everyone in law enforcement.

Shit... we can save the country billions every year!

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 12:55:23 PM   
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But dont give me this bullshit that the death penalty is cruel and unusual or barbaric. Read the details of the how these men and women killed people. They deserve to die, and die screaming in most cases.


Jesus, JLF, the point's surely been made enough times: one cruel and barbaric act taken in retribution for another cruel and barbaric act doesn't cancel out the cruelty and barbarity of the latter. I can understand your fury and eagerness for retribution. I have no doubt that I'd have similar feelings if I were a friend or family-member of one the victims of such people. But it still doesn't make it morally right, does it?


Well considering the killers have thrown morals out the window when they murdered someone, why should they get better treatment than their victims?

I am getting really sick and tired about hearing about the rights of criminals, what about the rights of the victims? victims' families?


I'm not talking about the rights of the criminals. I'm talking about what's best for society. Is there no way we can break out of this 'eye for an eye' wavelength? I mean, given that there's such a high correlation between places that have capital punishment as well as high numbers, don't you think that something fundamental just be fucked up?

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 2:18:49 PM   
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Why just pick on one crime?
Why not go the whole hog and just ban all laws so that it's impossible to break one?
Ergo: no criminals whatsoever.
Then we can dispense with all the jails, the courts, the lawyers, and everyone in law enforcement.

Shit... we can save the country billions every year!

Pretty much because I see a difference between "victimless crimes" and crimes that have victims. It is not a grey area it is pretty cut and dried.
Gambling,prostituion,drugs,homosexuality and suicide...why do we need laws making these activities criminal.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 2:24:51 PM   
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Is there no way we can break out of this 'eye for an eye' wavelength?

The problem is clear. It is ignorance. The morons who constantly cry out for vengence with the "eye for an eye" mantra have no clue what the fuck they are talking about. It comes from the code of hamarabi and it does not call for the removal of an eye from one person because they were responsible for the loss of an eye of another person, same same with the tooth part of it.
The problem is morons who have learned to read a few words but because reading is soooooo hard they only read the words that support their ignorance.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 2:34:16 PM   
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The following was posted on another thread:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4687373/tm.htm

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I never got the point of the death penalty

if the purp did something that horrendous,save the money and keep him in with the general population(of prison inmates,not the public).


The fellow inmates are sure to do something far worse then the state would have the stomach to carry out.


This is pure dumbassery, Pyro. The guy who got the karmic enhancement on his execution shot a teenage girl, and watched his buddies bury her alive. Put that sort of killer in general population and he sees a victim buffet. And we put killers like that in general population all the time. The price they ought to pay is extracted too rarely.

well,It looks like I'm a lil late to the party,but I'll respond any way

When some one goes to jail,the wardens do all they can to ensure their safety,even if their vile pieces of shit.This means that high profile inmates(those that have been convicted of heinous crimes like rape and murder)are kept separate from those who are considered a threat(those convicted of gang related crimes)and those that are considered relatively harmless(non violent offenders,dui's,that sorta thing).Some times they are integrated as there's a shortage on jail space at the moment.

if you go to jail,it is rare that you'll know what your fellow inmates have done since the only place that inmates or required to carry their papers is when they are about to see the judge and when they are first entered into jail(and trust me,fellow inmates will ask to see your papers when you first arrive).when some one is sent to prison,they are often sent to a particular wing or facility to be housed with similar inmates.This is why pedo's only get ganked in jail and not prison,because the only time they are housed with people who are not pedo's is when they are in jail(before they have been convicted),as it is in the wardens best interest to keep them alive and healthy,just as with every other inmate.
Gen pop is reserved for inmates who are of similar threat level whose charges are not deemed likely to get their fellow inmates riled up.this means that you'll rarely see a rapist convicted of manslaughter housed any where near an armed robber who has been convicted of manslaughter.The armed robber might even be a career criminal with a far higher threat level(aka,be more likely to be able to over power a guard and or inmate).The armed robber might even be housed with a non violent offender of far lower threat levels,as the rapist might even be housed with a non violent offender of far lower threat levels(altho that is far less likely,but in the event that neither inmate has exhibited devious behavior behind bars,it happens) .Ever since Dahmer,prisons have implemented these kind of systems to avoid deaths and injuries to their inmates.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 3:29:46 PM   
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Thmpson read the details of the Petit home invasion, then tell me those two individuals deserve a long life at state expense.

And you are using the term human rights? Some of the ways these people have killed do not qualify as human behavior.]

I would support one thing to replace capital punishment, use capital criminals as medical test subjects, at least then they can do something useful.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 3:30:23 PM   
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The problem is clear. It is ignorance.



For me, it's to do with elevating emotional satisfaction above all else. Somebody punches you, you punch him back. That is justice in its rawest form, or so it's argued. But there is a price attached, (only the first of) which is: rather than wipe out the ugliness of the crime, you end up doubling it.

Nobody has so far fired the 'get off your high horse' argument at me, so far. I'm glad of that at least, because it wouldn't be appropriate. I'm against the death penalty for selfish reasons. I just don't want any more ugly shit in my world than is absolutely necessary, that's all. I want the psycho killers stopped and taken out of circulation. But I don't want to add any more ugly stuff to my world by seeing them killed in my name. As far as I'm concerned the enemy isn't this or that person, it's cruelty, and I do strongly suspect that cruelty breeds cruelty, just like violence breeds violence. Nothing pious about it, nor abstract and intellectual. It's pretty simple, really.


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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 4:06:50 PM   
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Thmpson read the details of the Petit home invasion, then tell me those two individuals deserve a long life at state expense.

What part of I don't care don't you get?

And you are using the term human rights?

Yes

Some of the ways these people have killed do not qualify as human behavior.

What makes you think I am validating their behavior.

I would support one thing to replace capital punishment, use capital criminals as medical test subjects, at least then they can do something useful.


You are a grown man, I am sure that you can tell the difference between vengence and justice.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 8:17:19 PM   
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I officially don't give a fuck about 2 people a year.


Kewel should we put you down for body bag
#1 and your first born for #2 ???





Tell you what, as long as I get to duct tape you so you can't move, shoot you twice, and bury you alive I invite you to deliver those body bags personally. I'm pretty sure you're too much of a pussy to make the delivery, so your argument is invalid.

-SD-.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 8:26:00 PM   
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Try the "hide" button, Dave. You already know exactly what every post from him is going to look like, forever.

I think the reason we get his shotgun assaults on a thread is because he hopes at least one person he's flinging his poo at might actually see what he's posting.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 8:47:28 PM   
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Try the "hide" button, Dave. You already know exactly what every post from him is going to look like, forever.

I think the reason we get his shotgun assaults on a thread is because he hopes at least one person he's flinging his poo at might actually see what he's posting.


LOL! Yeah, I guess someone that fucking stupid probably does need a little attention. Being devoid of any actual intelligence, I suppose flinging poo would be the way to get it. Isn't that what child psychologists teach? Negative attention isn't as good as positive attention, but it's better than no attention... I think you're right! You may have just hit the nail on the head there!

I guess his momma just didn't give him enough attention as a child. Not that I can blame her. I think she's a saint for not have him retroactively aborted.

-SD-

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 9:21:02 PM   
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It's pretty simple, really.

When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. ~Winston Churchill

K.


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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/5/2014 9:30:09 PM   
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It's pretty simple, really.

When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. ~Winston Churchill

K.





I think that is one of those quotes that is easily taken out of context. Sometimes, being rude about it is the only way to be sure.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/6/2014 6:20:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

I officially don't give a fuck about 2 people a year.


Kewel should we put you down for body bag
#1 and your first born for #2 ???





Tell you what, as long as I get to duct tape you so you can't move, shoot you twice, and bury you alive I invite you to deliver those body bags personally. I'm pretty sure you're too much of a pussy to make the delivery, so your argument is invalid.

In your zip code you are not the pussy for shooting a bound and unarmed man? Somehow that seems counterintutitive.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/6/2014 6:22:49 AM   
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Try the "hide" button, Dave. You already know exactly what every post from him is going to look like, forever.

Tht is right dave...I will continue to point out the ignorant, childish, asanine things you post just as I do for dick.

I think the reason we get his shotgun assaults on a thread is because he hopes at least one person he's flinging his poo at might actually see what he's posting.


Dick, the dumb things you say so clearly define you.

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RE: Imported: Oklahoma execution botched - 5/6/2014 6:27:30 AM   
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Sometimes, being rude about it is the only way to be sure.

That would seem to be an area where you have more than a little expertise.

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