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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Utterly ridiculous.

Entitlement spending is now 2/3s of the government spending - and increasing -and everything else - is 1/3, and decreasing both as a percentage and often in real terms.

Once upon a time we had an 800 ship navy. We are now well under 300.

Once we went to the moon. We no longer have launch capacity.

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You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.
End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Utterly ridiculous.

Entitlement spending is now 2/3s of the government spending - and increasing -and everything else - is 1/3, and decreasing both as a percentage and often in real terms.

Once upon a time we had an 800 ship navy. We are now well under 300.

Once we went to the moon. We no longer have launch capacity.

This is what happens when you listen to conservatives who want to cut spending and lower taxes. There's less funding for stuff like that.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.
End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Because it is only blacks involved in the things you point out, right ?

Your post is racist bollocks.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
How about we transplant your brain into a black man's body and see how long it takes for your opinion to change?

That's the dumbest argument I think I've ever read from you, Ken.
Discriminating to right previous discrimination is still discrimination. If you truly want there to be no more discrimination, you can't institute more discriminatory policies or programs, or support ones currently in action.
How is treating minorities better than treating whites judging a person by the "content of their character" and not the color of their skin?

How about instituting policies that prevent discrimination, which is what affirmative action programs really do?
As long as we continue to allow your mind set to prevail the subtle and pervasive racism I documented will prevail and this country will fail to live up to its founding principles.
You are welcome to put forth a better alternative but simply saying do nothing is not one.

How does increasing discrimination reduce discrimination?

How does ignoring discrimination fix anything?

Telling a company, government entity or college that their hiring or admissions should more or less match the population makeup simply says they must not discriminate. I already showed you that with the exact same resume the white person is more likely to get hired than the black. It is only the rationalization of the white man that they are being passed over for less qualified candidates due to AA when a minority does get a job.

Bull shit.

Telling a tech company that they must match the population is simple suicide for the tech company.

Fewer than 10% of the country graduate with degrees in STEM. The ones that do are overwelmingly male, and disproportionately weighted to asian.

Lets make it even clearer. According to your STUPID idea all NFL football teams should be 51% female. Not to mention, 20% of the players should be over 55.

According to *your* STUPID idea, the NBA shouldn't be 86% black - it should be 50% white. Forget the fact that white men can't jump.


Businesses, not perfectly but by-and-large, hire the people they think will do the job the best. It is incredibly expensive to find, hire, train and retain people. Is there a certain amount of good old boy network - sure. But every racial group does it.

You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.
End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Businesses want people that are dependable. That show up. That have a work ethic. That don't steal. They want people that won't have work absences.

The black community should look at the experiences of the koreans, the vietnamese, the cubans, the irish, the italians. Speaking from experience - huge numbers of vietnamese and cubans came to this country with nothing in the 70's and 80's. They didn't speak the language.
They had no assets.

And yet both have passed the indigenous black community in virtually every standard. Median income. Graduation levels from college. Etc. Do you really think discrimination only happens against black people? And yet, these people have been able to flourish.

Is there racism, discrimination, bigotry in this world. It exists and it will always exist.
So you can focus on it as the reason for your failure - or you can do what everyone else in the world does. Get up. Get better - and be the person that a business says- damn. I have to have this guy.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


It's wrong to hire anyone who doesn't qualify for the job solely to meet a quota of "racial balance".


What law forces anyone to hire an unqualified person to achieve "racial balance"?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Hey, I just invented an antigrav machine and.....to top it off, I've also solved all our energy problems.

We are all very happy for you.

(Said no one ever when realizing that, that would be as likely as ThompsonX ever realizing how inane he sounds every time he types anything at all, and how much [intelligent people] laugh at his comments).


And yet you find yourself unable to answer the most basic questions about the validation of the ignorant, moronic drivle in your posts.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Because Jesse Jackson said so

What else does jesse jackson say that you agree with?

Hmmmm....it starts with the fact that he's still breathing, and then ends with words coming out of his mouth.



on the radio about 3 years ago explaining how it was "another way for the white man to keep the black man down".

Are just going to have to trust your memory on this?

I don't think so...it was about 3 years ago.

Not a week ago, most absolutely not 1963.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
How about we transplant your brain into a black man's body and see how long it takes for your opinion to change?

That's the dumbest argument I think I've ever read from you, Ken.
Discriminating to right previous discrimination is still discrimination. If you truly want there to be no more discrimination, you can't institute more discriminatory policies or programs, or support ones currently in action.
How is treating minorities better than treating whites judging a person by the "content of their character" and not the color of their skin?

How about instituting policies that prevent discrimination, which is what affirmative action programs really do?
As long as we continue to allow your mind set to prevail the subtle and pervasive racism I documented will prevail and this country will fail to live up to its founding principles.
You are welcome to put forth a better alternative but simply saying do nothing is not one.

How does increasing discrimination reduce discrimination?

How does ignoring discrimination fix anything?

Telling a company, government entity or college that their hiring or admissions should more or less match the population makeup simply says they must not discriminate. I already showed you that with the exact same resume the white person is more likely to get hired than the black. It is only the rationalization of the white man that they are being passed over for less qualified candidates due to AA when a minority does get a job.

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ORIGINAL: Ladytisha

While you do make some good points, my question for you is no one in the black community says having a child out of wedlock is ok, where did you read that story at? Why should Blacks have to look to other races to envision success? Believe it or not there are Black within the race who are very successful and those are the stories you don't hear. To those who believe racism isn't real, need to wake up. It happens everyday no matter what color you are.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Usually I just ignore you as your rants are pointless.


No: you ignore me because you are incapable of defending your ignorance which I continually point out to you.


To make this clear I am not responding to the AA law, I am responding to DomKen's assertion that hiring should match the community at large.

That is part of the aa law which is what we are discussing

Hiring *should NOT* match the community at large. Hiring should match what the company needs.

Then change the law...because that is part of it.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Dance you vermiformous catamite. What I said remains. So, we need to reduce healthcare costs, and slash the shit out of non-entitlements. You have proved my point eloquently in others words, has nothing to do with what sort of rag it is, or you are on.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

What americans call liberal aint the definitive ruling on whats really liberal of course. Liberal is an augmentive of liberty wich has noting to do with being racist or not.

How is it possible for someone to support liberty and bigotry at the same time?

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

What americans call liberal aint the definitive ruling on whats really liberal of course. Liberal is an augmentive of liberty wich has noting to do with being racist or not.

How is it possible for someone to support liberty and bigotry at the same time?

The same way our founding fathers and most of our country did...for about 200 years. And...some wouls say...still do.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Since the enemy wants to control your body and mind, the enemy will steal your terms, words, women, thoughts and culture and make it their own.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.
End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Businesses want people that are dependable. That show up. That have a work ethic. That don't steal. They want people that won't have work absences.

The black community should look at the experiences of the koreans, the vietnamese, the cubans, the irish, the italians. Speaking from experience - huge numbers of vietnamese and cubans came to this country with nothing in the 70's and 80's. They didn't speak the language.
They had no assets.

And yet both have passed the indigenous black community in virtually every standard. Median income. Graduation levels from college. Etc. Do you really think discrimination only happens against black people? And yet, these people have been able to flourish.

Is there racism, discrimination, bigotry in this world. It exists and it will always exist.
So you can focus on it as the reason for your failure - or you can do what everyone else in the world does. Get up. Get better - and be the person that a business says- damn. I have to have this guy.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.
End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Because it is only blacks involved in the things you point out, right ?

Your post is racist bollocks.

Actually I favor restrictions on conduct for all people.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


You *really* want to lessen the amount of racism and discrimination in hiring?

End the black subculture that sends more black males to prison than college.
End the black subculture that says dropping out of school is ok.
End the black subculture that says dealing or doing drugs is ok.
End the black subculture that says having kids out of wedlock is ok.
End the democratic, liberal, and incompetent teachers unions that FAIL to educate a majority of black students to grade level by graduation.
End the incompetent, corrupt black leaders - such as jesse jackson. Al sharpton. Alcee hastings. Jefferson.

Businesses want people that are dependable. That show up. That have a work ethic. That don't steal. They want people that won't have work absences.

The black community should look at the experiences of the koreans, the vietnamese, the cubans, the irish, the italians. Speaking from experience - huge numbers of vietnamese and cubans came to this country with nothing in the 70's and 80's. They didn't speak the language.
They had no assets.

And yet both have passed the indigenous black community in virtually every standard. Median income. Graduation levels from college. Etc. Do you really think discrimination only happens against black people? And yet, these people have been able to flourish.

Is there racism, discrimination, bigotry in this world. It exists and it will always exist.
So you can focus on it as the reason for your failure - or you can do what everyone else in the world does. Get up. Get better - and be the person that a business says- damn. I have to have this guy.

This is truly sick stuff.
According to this argument, things will only change when blacks change. If we are to believe this garbage, then we are in effect saying that racism against blacks is the fault of blacks and blacks alone. Apparently whites have nothing to do with it, don't cause it and don't have any role in the solution. Trash talk. Pure trash talk. Putrid. Racist to its core.

I hear the very same offensive trash stated about Aborigines here in Australia, almost always coming from right wing shock jocks, bigots and the like. The same people who have done everything in their power to oppose any advance in the status of Aborigines since the year dot. The same people who continue to oppose any legislation or policy or initiative to advance the status or living conditions of Aborigines. These people are not prepared to lift a finger to help advance the status of Aborigines, oppose all attempts to do so and denigrate those who want to change things for the better as "bleeding heart liberals" or socialist revolutionaries.

Just like this post, these racist sleaze bags find excuses for any white racism, or ignore it and blame Aborigines for their misfortunes. It saddens me to hear that this victim-blaming sludge is still being disseminated in the 21st century. At this rate, it might take another 21 centuries for some Right wing sleaze bags to acknowledge their role in defending and justifying racism.