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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 11:42:50 AM   
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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 12:09:12 PM   
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It is where I am, but there is a big "but" in the equation. The lawful resident isn't obligated to investigate the intent of an intruder.


You just live down the fucking street from me...and in my zip code the lawful resident is obligated.

I have a little work-related thing running right now. A particular individual with a history of instability and violence popped back up this week, contacting several offices, and making specific mention of me, by name. This is a freaky, scary guy, and I'm saying that as someone who isn't easily intimidated.


Opinions vary

The odd death threat just sort of comes with my job description.


How does patching holes in black top qualify?

I'm not all that hard to find. Plugging nothing more than what he knows into the search box on Whitepages.com will pop up a map to my house, and offer you a link for directions. I'm not going about my Saturday chores with a loaded gun in my pocket, but I'm definitely staying aware of what's going on around me, and the wife is taking a dog to work with her. Now would be a VERY bad time for some dumbass teenager to come prowling around my home in the middle of the night. That will probably be the way it is until he goes to court on the current case against him, takes his plea to a reduced charge, and goes off to spend another 18 months in prison. It should have happened already, but they just postponed the court date again.


Now if this fellow is clever he will con some unsuspecting minority into "bumping" your garage and off to the joint you go where he has 24/7 access to you"
Oh shit ...something else to worry about.
Be careful dude there are evil people out there just waiting to get to you.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 12:26:11 PM   
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You must be such lonely, old man Thompson.
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What gave you the clue?
The fact that I frequent a sexually explicit site?
The fact that the women who staff the legal brothels in nevada know me by my first name?
The fact that the time stamp on my posts indicate that I don't have a job?
The fact that I am typically right on most everything I comment on and point out the errors of fact and logic of those who either fail or refuse to grasp my point?
The fact that I do not tolerate rudeness from punkassmotherfuckers?
The fact that I am quite knowledgable in both depth and breadth in an eclectic "heap" of esoteric minutia???(who,related to minor royality, married ben franklin's grand daughter?)
I have nothing to do and lots of time to do it in

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 12:55:55 PM   
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If he was fearless enough to fight off a dog or dogs, especially if he got passed them, then that, to me, would be determining your life could be in danger. But, you gave the guy a chance to stop, put his hands up and face you as a perpetrator, not an aggressor, you took a stance more people should.




With several dogs chewing on you, you want us to believe that you would put your hands up and say I give up while he gleefully let the dogs have a little snack...roflmfao....how droll


What's droll here is your comprehension of what my words meant. Since you obviously aren't a mindreader, or even someone who can understand the meaning of 'a different approach', I will take a couple of words to see if then you might understand what I was saying.

Turning dogs loose on an intruder, when you have the means to blow their life away with a weapon, is the "humane" way to deal with someone who is not as civil and refined as the person deciding not to make it an automatic deadly invasion. Actually, no, I wouldn't expect him to get up after a dog attack and be able to talk about anything. But he would be alive today to apply his experience of the attack, and possibly remember what it got him.

All I'm saying is being rational in an irrational scenario could be golden.

If you prefer not to be golden, then that decision is yours.


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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 1:20:25 PM   
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What if...EVERY aspect of this case leading UP TO the shooting was identical to what actually happened, BUT it turns out that the person shot was a 30-something criminal with a long arrest record, that was now on the run for multiple murders.


The problem is armed homeowners with this ^^^ in their imagination. The chances of the above in contrast to the chances of what actually happened starkly contrast.

Armed and dangerous criminals -- they tend to target businesses, but we don't read too many articles of business owners shooting unarmed people dead in delusions of self defense. Business owners don't shoot first and ask questions later.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 2:54:47 PM   
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What if...EVERY aspect of this case leading UP TO the shooting was identical to what actually happened, BUT it turns out that the person shot was a 30-something criminal with a long arrest record, that was now on the run for multiple murders.


The problem is armed homeowners with this ^^^ in their imagination. The chances of the above in contrast to the chances of what actually happened starkly contrast.

Armed and dangerous criminals -- they tend to target businesses, but we don't read too many articles of business owners shooting unarmed people dead in delusions of self defense. Business owners don't shoot first and ask questions later.


That may be true where you are from but it's not the case here at all.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 3:07:31 PM   
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If he was fearless enough to fight off a dog or dogs, especially if he got passed them, then that, to me, would be determining your life could be in danger. But, you gave the guy a chance to stop, put his hands up and face you as a perpetrator, not an aggressor, you took a stance more people should.




With several dogs chewing on you, you want us to believe that you would put your hands up and say I give up while he gleefully let the dogs have a little snack...roflmfao....how droll


What's droll here is your comprehension of what my words meant.

This would be your code for saying that I am too stupid to read the english language because I disagree with you.
This too is droll



Since you obviously aren't a mindreader, or even someone who can understand the meaning of 'a different approach', I will take a couple of words to see if then you might understand what I was saying.

This would be a repetition of the above

Turning dogs loose on an intruder, when you have the means to blow their life away with a weapon, is the "humane" way to deal with someone who is not as civil and refined as the person deciding not to make it an automatic deadly invasion.


In your zip code it is humane to turn attack dogs loose on someone while you keep them covered. That is a felony in any jurisdiction except your mind.

Actually, no, I wouldn't expect him to get up after a dog attack and be able to talk about anything. But he would be alive today to apply his experience of the attack, and possibly remember what it got him.

If he is a professional criminal he will remember and will come looking for you or send someone to apply a little karma to thee.



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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 3:16:27 PM   
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If he was fearless enough to fight off a dog or dogs, especially if he got passed them, then that, to me, would be determining your life could be in danger. But, you gave the guy a chance to stop, put his hands up and face you as a perpetrator, not an aggressor, you took a stance more people should.




With several dogs chewing on you, you want us to believe that you would put your hands up and say I give up while he gleefully let the dogs have a little snack...roflmfao....how droll


What's droll here is your comprehension of what my words meant. Since you obviously aren't a mindreader, or even someone who can understand the meaning of 'a different approach', I will take a couple of words to see if then you might understand what I was saying.

Turning dogs loose on an intruder, when you have the means to blow their life away with a weapon, is the "humane" way to deal with someone who is not as civil and refined as the person deciding not to make it an automatic deadly invasion. Actually, no, I wouldn't expect him to get up after a dog attack and be able to talk about anything. But he would be alive today to apply his experience of the attack, and possibly remember what it got him.

All I'm saying is being rational in an irrational scenario could be golden.

If you prefer not to be golden, then that decision is yours.


A large dog, or in his case large dogs can kill a man, and it is a lot less humane that a couple of rounds in the chest.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 3:49:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		In anyone's zipcode in this country, a dog on the premises does not mean the dog owner has committed a felony, if the stranger invades the home and the dog "gets" him.

And you would classify an exchange student from Germany as a professional criminal??



Nuff said...knock yourself out.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 3:55:34 PM   
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In anyone's zipcode in this country, a dog on the premises does not mean the dog owner has committed a felony, if the stranger invades the home and the dog "gets" him.

Notice how your answer does not address my point. This is a classc example of someone not being able to read the english language.
Do enjoy your ignorance.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 4:26:08 PM   
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Turning dogs loose on an intruder, when you have the means to blow their life away with a weapon, is the "humane" way to deal with someone who is not as civil and refined as the person deciding not to make it an automatic deadly invasion. Actually, no, I wouldn't expect him to get up after a dog attack and be able to talk about anything. But he would be alive today to apply his experience of the attack, and possibly remember what it got him.




Let me correct what seems to be a misconception here.

I don't have attack dogs. I have a big lab that I've already mentioned on the thread, and a mutt who doesn't like strangers. Either might bite, but they wouldn't be going for the throat. Sending them in would be with the intent to run him off, not to take him down.



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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 4:30:14 PM   
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Turning dogs loose on an intruder, when you have the means to blow their life away with a weapon, is the "humane" way to deal with someone who is not as civil and refined as the person deciding not to make it an automatic deadly invasion. Actually, no, I wouldn't expect him to get up after a dog attack and be able to talk about anything. But he would be alive today to apply his experience of the attack, and possibly remember what it got him.




Let me correct what seems to be a misconception here.

I don't have attack dogs. I have a big lab that I've already mentioned on the thread, and a mutt who doesn't like strangers. Either might bite, but they wouldn't be going for the throat. Sending them in would be with the intent to run him off, not to take him down.



Your's might not, of course if he kicked them all bets might be off, you know your dogs, I don't.
In general death by gunshot is far more humane than death by dog.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 4:42:02 PM   
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Let me correct what seems to be a misconception here.

I don't have attack dogs.


You have bragged many times about how bad ass your dogs are.


I have a big lab that I've already mentioned on the thread, and a mutt who doesn't like strangers. Either might bite, but they wouldn't be going for the throat.


How would you know this? Have you sicked them on people before?


Sending them in would be with the intent to run him off, not to take him down.

You are standing at the front door of the garage with a gun and you send the dogs in...just where the fuck is he going to run?

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 4:53:59 PM   
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Your's might not, of course if he kicked them all bets might be off, you know your dogs, I don't.
In general death by gunshot is far more humane than death by dog.



In this scenario, the kick (or a yelp) would be the moment 27 pellets of #4 buckshot headed for high center mass on the piece of shit, Bama.

I've run trespassers off with a dog plenty of times. I'm not sure how many actually caught a nip, but my old wolf-hybrid would come back with a shoe, sometimes. (We lived on a big lot, in a lousy part of town, with apartments to the rear). There were no fatalities.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 5:11:00 PM   
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In this scenario, the kick (or a yelp) would be the moment 27 pellets of #4 buckshot headed for high center mass on the piece of shit, Bama.?

Shoot your own dog and go to jail for murder???
Way to go rambo

I've run trespassers off with a dog plenty of times. I'm not sure how many actually caught a nip, but my old wolf-hybrid would come back with a shoe, sometimes. (We lived on a big lot, in a lousy part of town, with apartments to the rear). There were no fatalities.

Good thing you didn't live in westminister. They would have cooked his punk ass.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 5:13:45 PM   
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Your's might not, of course if he kicked them all bets might be off, you know your dogs, I don't.
In general death by gunshot is far more humane than death by dog.



In this scenario, the kick (or a yelp) would be the moment 27 pellets of #4 buckshot headed for high center mass on the piece of shit, Bama.

I've run trespassers off with a dog plenty of times. I'm not sure how many actually caught a nip, but my old wolf-hybrid would come back with a shoe, sometimes. (We lived on a big lot, in a lousy part of town, with apartments to the rear). There were no fatalities.

Good for you, I wouldn't stand by and hope for the best with my Doberman/Rott mix (who is also not an attack dog).
As I said I wasn't talking about your dogs specifically but dogs in general.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 5:18:48 PM   
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As I said I wasn't talking about your dogs specifically but dogs in general.



Well, they are the leading cause of death on the job among postal workers.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 5:23:20 PM   
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As I said I wasn't talking about your dogs specifically but dogs in general.



Well, they are the leading cause of death on the job among postal workers.

I kind of thought it was other postal workers, oh well live and learn.

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 5:33:44 PM   
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I kind of thought it was other postal workers, oh well live and learn.



Common misperception, based on the differing levels of media attantion. Dogs have never been out of first place for taking down mail carriers.

Why do you think so many postal workers were packing?

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RE: Senseless Gun Violence -- Fearful Homeowner Kills U... - 5/18/2014 5:52:59 PM   
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I kind of thought it was other postal workers, oh well live and learn.



Common misperception, based on the differing levels of media attantion. Dogs have never been out of first place for taking down mail carriers.

Why do you think so many postal workers were packing?

Good point.

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