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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 1:59:33 PM   
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Well it can be a fetish but also can be not, it's a fetish when you are sexually excited by fat it is not when you just feel more comfortable with someone that size. Anyhow I see this kind of shaming as the male equivalent for slut, our society consider successful a man that can have any woman he wants and as common prejudice no one likes fat and if you are with a fat girl than it's because you could not find someone better, ergo you're a loser that suffer looking at her to stick his dick in something that could be anything.
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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 6:41:35 PM   
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If you have a type you have a fetish.

Hmm, yea, I can't imagine not having a physical preference though. But I definitely have a type, and the sexual attraction is crazy when I meet my particular physical type. Although my type is so rare. I only met him once in my life.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 9:16:27 PM   
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I know there are a lot of people out there that call people with a preference for the larger gals "chubby chasers." I also know there are some people out there that do prefer the extra-skinny gals but I've never heard an actual phrase to describe them. I guess there are preferences or even fetishes for either the extra-skinny or the extra-large body type, either one, but why is it only the large preference that there seems to be a derogatory term for? I think it probably is, as DaddySatyr said, "more of society, kissing the collective ass of Madison Avenue." Both extremes are unhealthy, yet it's only preferring the one that gets looked down upon.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 9:34:30 PM   
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I didn't think the term "chubby chaser" was a derogatory one--not for the "chaser" himself, perhaps to the "chasee" (in her own opinion).

Do men say this to cut down other men, or is it just a form of manspeak? I also find what eulero mentioned a bit odd. I thought Italian (and Greek, as well as some other nationalities or ethnicities) men preferred curvier women. The word Zaftig comes to mind.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 9:37:20 PM   
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Honestly, I just never got all worked up about the "Twiggy"s of the world; even when it was sort of "expected" of me, I just couldn't be asked.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 9:49:09 PM   
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I didn't think the term "chubby chaser" was a derogatory one--not for the "chaser" himself, perhaps to the "chasee" (in her own opinion).

I do find terms like chubby chaser and such offensive. It makes it as if the only thing interesting about me, is my blubber. If a man messages me, and he makes any comments about my weight, I'm immediately turned off, and I won't reply back. If you're interested in me, you'll talk to me. You don't need to point out my weight, or that you're into big women, either in your message, or in your profile.
I have clear pictures in my profile for a reason - I've already made it clear on my body size, pointing it out to me is just a turn off, and irritating.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 10:35:05 PM   
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I didn't think the term "chubby chaser" was a derogatory one--not for the "chaser" himself ...



I have definitely heard it used that way. I think it has to do with the same disdain that is shown to ladies who don't fall into that size 3-7 category. It's almost as if people are saying: "There's something wrong with her so, there must be something wrong with you for being attracted to her."

I strongly believe it goes back to what I was saying about Madison Avenue. There is a vested interest in the advertising world in promoting this false body image.

Why? Well, there's a vested interest for designers who can make clothing that can be shown on "human hangers". It's easier to get the clothes to "fall the right way" (Not that I agree with that) and they're using less material. Therefore bigger ... wait for it ... profits! Yay!

It also benefits the diet industry, the plastic surgery industry, the "legitimate" medical community (gastric by-passes and such). The list goes on. It's a huge lie perpetrated on us by people that have skin in the game.

I have none. I couldn't possibly care less what other people think is attractive. I gots mines!







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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 11:47:13 PM   
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I thought Italian (and Greek, as well as some other nationalities or ethnicities) men preferred curvier women. The word Zaftig comes to mind.

That is true, every single Italian man I know locally have preferences for curvier ladies. Might be a stereotype but they seem to like women with meat on their bones.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/11/2014 11:50:12 PM   
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but I've never heard an actual phrase to describe them. Both extremes are unhealthy, yet it's only preferring the one that gets looked down upon.

Aneroxic chasers?

Yes, I suppose there doesn't seem to be a term to specify men preferring extremely skinny girls. We need to think of one! Haha, I usually call them pedophiles, because they like the 13 yr old stick figure, no boobs, no butt, undeveloped teenager look. And alot of these are men in their late 40's to 50's.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 1:23:53 AM   
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Thin women, and women who aren't very curvy are women too.

I don't know if it's some sort of backlash against the negative vibes given to overweight women, but criticizing or making fun of women for being thin is just as mean-spirited. Not every thin woman is starving herself for someone else's beauty ideal, just like not every fat woman is greedy or lazy.

Though fetishizing thinness is just as bad as fetishizing fatness, finding thin people more attractive is nothing like being a pedophile.

Bodies come in different shapes and sizes. So do people's preferences.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 3:45:51 AM   
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Thin women, and women who aren't very curvy are women too.

I don't know if it's some sort of backlash against the negative vibes given to overweight women, but criticizing or making fun of women for being thin is just as mean-spirited. Not every thin woman is starving herself for someone else's beauty ideal, just like not every fat woman is greedy or lazy.



Thank you Athena.

Italian women, at least the majority of Italian women living in Italy, are exceptionally thin but they are small in height and appear smaller boned than Americans and some of their European cousins. Italian men like shapely but slim not rounded and Italians (in Italy) are brought up with the saying instilled into them, "if you never gain weight, there will never be a need to lose it."

As for a fetish on weight? yes, we have 'feeders' and giant face sitters but men who like a well rounded girl or a skinny chic don't have a fetish, they just like a certain type. To say anyone who likes a certain type has a fetish clearly shows they don't understand the meaning behind the word.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 6:51:24 AM   
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Though fetishizing thinness is just as bad as fetishizing fatness, finding thin people more attractive is nothing like being a pedophile.

I have the whole pedophile impression, because this often comes with daddy plays, and they are usually advertising specifically for women still in school, but above 18 and under 22, and below 90lbs, below A cup. And it's men in the older age region. Gives me the impression they want the fantasy, but wish to stay within legal limits. Pedophilia, all and all is a legitimate kink, just that they often get in trouble if they truly pursue their preferred age group which is underage. If everyone plays it as a kink with legally aged women, there is no issue.

I seldom see such a request from younger men. The funny thing is, the BBW lovers are usually the younger men.

Maybe as men grows older, they prefer less curves or something.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 7:41:18 AM   
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I didn't think the term "chubby chaser" was a derogatory one--not for the "chaser" himself ...



I have definitely heard it used that way. I think it has to do with the same disdain that is shown to ladies who don't fall into that size 3-7 category. It's almost as if people are saying: "There's something wrong with her so, there must be something wrong with you for being attracted to her."

I strongly believe it goes back to what I was saying about Madison Avenue. There is a vested interest in the advertising world in promoting this false body image.

Why? Well, there's a vested interest for designers who can make clothing that can be shown on "human hangers". It's easier to get the clothes to "fall the right way" (Not that I agree with that) and they're using less material. Therefore bigger ... wait for it ... profits! Yay!

It also benefits the diet industry, the plastic surgery industry, the "legitimate" medical community (gastric by-passes and such). The list goes on. It's a huge lie perpetrated on us by people that have skin in the game.

I have none. I couldn't possibly care less what other people think is attractive. I gots mines!





I disagree. A portion of it may be advertising-related, but WHY are those the bodies we find attractive?

Before we became an urbanized species, at least in Europe as well as much of the rest of the world, most of us worked the fields. Most people were in shape. Why was obesity attractive? Because it was HARD to pull off. If you're digging and tending and lifting and carrying and eat primarily plants with some meats and fats, you're going to be in shape. The portraits of the era frequently show pale, fat women as that was a way to instantly let everyone know what your status was. Pale meant you didn't spend your days in the sun, and fat meant you could afford not to do manual labor. This meant you were rich. Instant status identifier.

Nowadays, we are an urbanized people with a preponderance of food, and most of it WILL make you fat. It's easy to be fat. Being slender and in shape takes work. If you're tending a fast-food counter or sitting on your butt at a desk all day, you will gain weight. It takes EFFORT to achieve and maintain fitness. Being slender in this day and age shows that A) you care about appearance B) you can afford the time it takes to maintain your shape C) you are capable of exercising the discipline necessary to make good life choices, and thus might make a good mate. Females tend to tan because most of us are stuck indoors for much of the day and tan skin shows that you can afford to lay about in the sun. Status indicators. I haven't the foggiest idea about female dress sizes, but I and most men can tell you whether a woman is 'hot or not'.

Humans are a visual species. Men care about appearance. Women tend to consider it a factor among many. Gay men are often in the best shape of all of us, because they are dating other men. Men dating women tend to be a mixed bunch, whereas most women dating men are in moderately good shape as they want a large dating pool and high-quality men. Lesbians are almost universally fat. The NIH under Obama is spending over a million dollars to figure out why lesbians tend to be overweight. It's REAL simple. NO MEN!

2nd major factor: people tend to talk to whatever they consider to be their peer group. This generally breaks down into socioeconomic status and race. Higher-earning women and men tend to prefer thinner, fitter mates (see above, also fashion re: Madison Ave). Middle-class men tend to run the gamut, whereas lower-earning men tend to accept larger women. Mongoloids are thinner and tend to prefer thinner females than most other groups; Caucasoids are in the middle and Negroids tend to prefer women that are fatter.

I'm guessing by your post that you associate with other Caucasians primarily and consider them to be your peer group. The average white guy is looking for a an attractive & fit female in her twenties. Anorexia and obesity both fall outside the norm, and the more standard deviations away from the norm you go the harder you're going to find it to market yourself. Sure, there are stores in your local mall catering to 'bigger' girls, and some guys are attracted to that. Fewer than are attracted to 'average' girls though.

I tend to hear the term 'chubby chaser' from white guys, whereas black guys is more likely to be focused on 'dat ass'. Completely different phraseology & cultural viewpoint. If I were considering a relationship with an eye towards the long term, the major factors aren't physical. But to GET to that stage, I have to be attracted to her first. Unless she's got a thyroid condition, my friends consider fat = lazy. If she's lazy, she doesn't take care of herself. Who wants a mate who doesn't take care of herself (and by inference, won't take care of you?)

Each additional requirement we have makes it that much harder to find a mate. Those of us on here already have certain challenges in the dating department. As your profile says, you're looking for "a man". Once you become a girl, you're going to set about finding one. Limiting your dating pool is your prerogative. So if you plan on maintaining your current weight, I'd suggest targeting males who are likely to view 'fluffiness' as a perk rather than as a negative.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 8:08:21 AM   
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Masterthemoment,

I always wondered why in older days, chubbier women are more desirable, now you have given a perfect explanation for it.

There is alot of social pressure for men to have slim wives though, that I think also have an effect, particularly in my society, which you would call the mongoloids. A man gets teased and joke about mercilessly if his wife was bigger than him. Just the way things are. Such things frustrates me sometimes, especially someone like me who is very sporty all my life and when I really had the time to devote to representing school in multiple sports, my training was brutal, and it paid off in terms of annually winning the most gold medals, but never paid off in terms of looking slim, as I was still always overweight looking, being fitter, stronger, and faster than slimmer girls means shit if you look fat. But of course, there is another part of achieving being slim that I keep failing in. Preparing to starve. If you can live with hunger, you can be slim, without exercise even. When Tom Hanks did Castaway, that must have taken crazy starvation discipline. Also in Survivor, you see folks lose weight so drastically from not getting enough food. But the more sport I do, the more intensively I train, the more I needed eat, and the more I pile on. Food addiction is my Achilles heels.





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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 9:29:57 AM   
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I didn't think the term "chubby chaser" was a derogatory one--not for the "chaser" himself, perhaps to the "chasee" (in her own opinion).

Do men say this to cut down other men, or is it just a form of manspeak? I also find what eulero mentioned a bit odd. I thought Italian (and Greek, as well as some other nationalities or ethnicities) men preferred curvier women. The word Zaftig comes to mind.


so it's odd as it doesn't fits your stereotype?

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 9:39:25 AM   
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I thought Italian (and Greek, as well as some other nationalities or ethnicities) men preferred curvier women. The word Zaftig comes to mind.

That is true, every single Italian man I know locally have preferences for curvier ladies. Might be a stereotype but they seem to like women with meat on their bones.



every single italian man I know likes girls in the 6 US (10 UK) size, and I think I know more italian men than you, about those italian men who seek romance in asian south east I always thought they had more an age preference than a size one, but maybe it's just a stereotype.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 9:43:45 AM   
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every single italian man I know likes girls in the 6 US (10 UK) size, and I think I know more italian men than you, about those italian men who seek romance in asian south east I always thought they had more an age preference than a size one, but maybe it's just a stereotype.

Okay, that is curvy and big in Asian size. Makes sense.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 10:12:12 AM   
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Thin women, and women who aren't very curvy are women too.

I don't know if it's some sort of backlash against the negative vibes given to overweight women, but criticizing or making fun of women for being thin is just as mean-spirited. Not every thin woman is starving herself for someone else's beauty ideal, just like not every fat woman is greedy or lazy.



Thank you Athena.

Italian women, at least the majority of Italian women living in Italy, are exceptionally thin but they are small in height and appear smaller boned than Americans and some of their European cousins. Italian men like shapely but slim not rounded and Italians (in Italy) are brought up with the saying instilled into them, "if you never gain weight, there will never be a need to lose it."



well there are three ethnicity of italians so we actually come in very different shapes and colors, about the gaining weight thing, we only have one thing in common as a people and it's the diet, I'm not talking about specific foods that change from town to town, but we tend to eat less fats in general, carbs in the earlier hour of the day to switch with proteins in the evening and also olive oil in place of other dressings, this usually helps controlling weight.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 11:07:40 AM   
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Thin women, and women who aren't very curvy are women too.

I don't know if it's some sort of backlash against the negative vibes given to overweight women, but criticizing or making fun of women for being thin is just as mean-spirited. Not every thin woman is starving herself for someone else's beauty ideal, just like not every fat woman is greedy or lazy.



Thank you Athena.

Italian women, at least the majority of Italian women living in Italy, are exceptionally thin but they are small in height and appear smaller boned than Americans and some of their European cousins. Italian men like shapely but slim not rounded and Italians (in Italy) are brought up with the saying instilled into them, "if you never gain weight, there will never be a need to lose it."



well there are three ethnicity of italians so we actually come in very different shapes and colors, about the gaining weight thing, we only have one thing in common as a people and it's the diet, I'm not talking about specific foods that change from town to town, but we tend to eat less fats in general, carbs in the earlier hour of the day to switch with proteins in the evening and also olive oil in place of other dressings, this usually helps controlling weight.


Yep...Also portion sizes are smaller and the carbs are good carbs, the oil good oils.

Interestingly I've been doing some research on 'Fructose' and how this sugar puts enormous weight on people very quickly. America and the UK put fructose in many processed food. Italy is the safest country in Europe if you want to keep fructose (not including fruit) out of your diet. Its hardly used in anything.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/12/2014 12:05:11 PM   
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To me, being too skinny to the point that its unhealthy is the same as being obese in terms of harm it can do to the body.



That is rare as a one eyed snipe in developed countries. With 35 percent of the US population obese <overweight by 30 lbs> one would be hard pressed to call it a "fetish".

As my doc explained try walking around with a pair of 15 lb weights in each hand all day everyday. Your body is NOT designed for that. Hence all the hip replacements and such. It sounds like you are attempting to "justify" your "fatness" Rock On with that.

To my mind being obese tells me two things about that person. Lack of self control <why would anyone find that trait appealing in another> Little self respect. <Due to the well documented health risks>. Who in their right mind would want to have a relationship with someone statistically who will die 10 to 15 years before I will? As we are only dancing on this earth for a short while.

So be fat, date fat, I really don't care. You are only harming yourself.

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