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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 5:49:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		It depends what they are using as a sweetner Greta. Glucose for example is a good sugar and although refined sugar cane isn't beneficial to us, it does get processed very differently to fructose. Interestingly he does talk about Asian people having similar weight gain problems in his discussion.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 5:54:14 AM   
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... many Asian food are very sweet. Including their regular white bread is sweeter than the Western countries. Most chinese dishes have sweetness in them.
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Japanese food can be so sweet as to be inedible, whether in Tokyo, Yokohama or Kyoto, and every place in between. I couldn't stand (trying to) eat authentic Japanese dishes and sauces.
Korean food is served much plainer as main dishes, with spicy condiments served on the side, many of which have been pickled in a bath of hot peppers, garlic, scallions, sesame seeds, oyster or fish extracts.
Orientals treat breadstuffs like delicacies, laden with sugars, often fashioned into cakes and filled with sweetened bean pastes, jams & jellies. Not a regular starchy bread slice to be found domestically to make a simple sandwich (unless a foreign import).

Speaking of Mexican food, their authentic dishes are much different tasting than our Mexican-American/TexMex versions. Much of our ethnic foods have been Americanized for Western palates, for better or for worse nutritionally.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 6:15:29 AM   
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Korean food is served much plainer as main dishes, with spicy condiments served on the side, many of which have been pickled in a bath of hot peppers, garlic, scallions, sesame seeds, oyster or fish extracts.

What's popular here in Singapore is Korean BBQ and I swear the sauces they use to marinate their meats are super sweet too. And when I was in Korea, the Korean BBQ or hotplate dishes tasted the same.
I do love Kimchi though! Love spicy noodle soup with loads of kimchi and chicken.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 6:17:54 AM   
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It depends what they are using as a sweetner Greta.

They usually use regular white sugar as sweeteners. That bbq pork or sweet and sour pork or lemon chicken sauce has literal basic white sugar poured into it. Hell one thing peking duck places in the west does not do is literally take the peking duck crispy skin and dab it on pure white sugar. The paper thin crispy salty savoury of a duck skin with crunchy white process sugar is heavenly. Every time when I host Caucasians, that's the first thing I bring them to try!

Now we use dark soya sauce in alot of our dishes, and dark soya sauce is a little like reduced balsamic vinegar which tends to be extremely rich and sweet. Except reduced balsamic vinegar is used sparingly in Italian food but we chinese soaked our entire meats in it, and even dump it in huge amounts into our soups and gravy. I am unsure if reduced balsamic vinegar has sugar added, as with grapes, natural sugars can play a big part, but dark soy sauce definitely has white refined sugar added to sweeten it.

I'm just saying traditionally, it's even harder to find an obese Asian. But with the introduction of Western food cause more obesity now. And it certainly isn't sugar, because our food was laden with white refine sugar traditionally as well as evil processed carbs. Processed white rice is super staple.

But specifically with chinese people, many die early of heart diseases and high incidence of diabetic, even the ones that look aneroxicly skinny, because our food is terribly unhealthy, but somehow does not cause weight gain. Interestingly, the ones who live a long life usually survive solely on rice and stir fried veges, because they may be Buddhists as well and won't eat meat. Processed white Rice is pure evil carbs and a heavy cause of diabetics among local Chinese in my country. My uncle recently got diagnosed with early stage diabetics, and all he did was drop rice from his diet, and ate only steam fish and vegetables and everything went back to normal.

Japanese folks though, if they can stick to their healthy sashimi diet, I think generally they can stay very healthy and live a long life. Can't beat fresh raw fish for nutrition.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 6:49:12 AM   
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What's popular here in Singapore is Korean BBQ and I swear the sauces they use to marinate their meats are super sweet too. And when I was in Korea, the Korean BBQ or hotplate dishes tasted the same.
I do love Kimchi though! Love spicy noodle soup with loads of kimchi and chicken.

You're right about the marinated meat sauces being sugary, not as bad with non-shellfish seafood (calamari, octopus & fish). Also soy-sauce salty. I was thinking of ox-tail, beef-/pork-rib and fish soups, non-grilled food. Really, soups are the best way to go, choosing steamed wontons and dumplings over fried.

It's strange how anything starchy & refined is valued higher as a general rule (white rice & noodles), and unrefined naturally grown food staples (brown or wild rice and barley, multi-grain noodles) are looked down upon as what poor people would eat, those foods which are healthier. It must be the plethora of vegetables that contributes to counter-balance these unhealthy eating habits. Not sure how the lack of dairy products factors into this, such as not customarily ingesting butter, cheese, or cream-based sauces & dressings (like we Westerners do on our broccoli, other veggies and salads).

ETA: This is making me get mighty hungry for some Asian food!

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 6:51:49 AM   
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I'm just saying traditionally, it's even harder to find an obese Asian. But with the introduction of Western food cause more obesity now. And it certainly isn't sugar, because our food was laden with white refine sugar traditionally as well as evil processed carbs. Processed white rice is super staple.



Highlighted for the probable culprit, though pr-packaged/processed oriental food likely has high levels of fructose in it too. The thing about processed food is, fiber affects its shelf life and so they simply remove the fiber and add fructose. If I were you I would be reading labels, especially on bottled sauces.

Oh and keep on eating broccoli because it contain complex carbohydrates as well as very high levels of fiber. Its a food that is not only good for you but stops you feeling hungry too.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 6:54:05 AM   
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Oh and keep on eating broccoli because it contain complex carbohydrates as well as very high levels of fiber. Its a food that is not only good for you but stops you feeling hungry too.

Absolutely not true. I can easily gobble 500 grams of broccoli, and then feel hungry an hour later. I am a real broccoli addict because I absolutely love broccoli!
I was very happy to read about all the wonderful things about broccoli, and I eat it very healthy. Just steamed or boiled, and a squeeze of fresh lemon over it, and that's how i eat it, it's delicious. But disappointed to not see results.

I had better slimming results eating yogurt, and it would be sweetened fruit yogurt, but low fat ones, mix with sweetened granola. But I got sick of eating yogurt, I am not sick of broccoli yet.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 7:01:30 AM   
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Not sure how the lack of dairy products factors into this, such as not customarily ingesting butter, cheese, or cream-based sauces & dressings (like we Westerners do on our broccoli, other veggies and salads).

Yes, if there is one thing completely missing in chinese food is Dairy. There is like zero food that has any dairy in it. And if we do take milk, it's soy milk or coconut milk and never ever any cow's milk.

Maybe dairy is the real culprit. But yogurt was my miracle slimming food though, until I ate so much last time that I think of yogurt and I feel like puking, I am so sssiiiccckkk of it. But it made me drop in weight big time!

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 7:01:31 AM   
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What's popular here in Singapore is Korean BBQ and I swear the sauces they use to marinate their meats are super sweet too. And when I was in Korea, the Korean BBQ or hotplate dishes tasted the same.
I do love Kimchi though! Love spicy noodle soup with loads of kimchi and chicken.

You're right about the marinated meat sauces being sugary, not as bad with seafood (calamari & fish). Also soy-sauce salty. I was thinking of ox-tail soups and non-grilled food. Really, soups are the best way to go, choosing steamed wontons and dumplings over fried.

It's strange how anything starchy & refined is valued higher as a general rule (white rice & noodles), and unrefined naturally grown food staples (brown or wild rice and barley, multi-grain noodles) are looked down upon as what poor people would eat, those foods which are healthier. It must be the plethora of vegetables that contributes to counter-balance these unhealthy eating habits. Not sure how the lack of dairy products factors into this, such as not customarily ingesting butter, cheese, or cream-based sauces & dressings (like we Westerners do on our broccoli, other veggies and salads).


I would be interested to find out more about that too. I have been told that if you suffer joint disorders like arthritis, a dairy free diet will work miracles. I wonder if dairy free continents suffer arthritis like we do in the west?

The French and Italians eat a lot of cheese and cream but their portion sizes per meal are tiny in comparison to England and America and they don't tend to snack between meals.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 7:05:58 AM   
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The French and Italians eat a lot of cheese and cream but their portion sizes per meal are tiny in comparison to England and America and they don't tend to snack between meals.

That's why I believe in that article that says, it's all genetic. Some people naturally converts all extra calories to muscle. And maybe this also works genetically for different races, that different types of food has different type of conversion effect for them.



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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/16/2014 2:42:20 PM   
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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/17/2014 2:35:48 PM   
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This thread is why people are fat.

Stop making excuses, and lying to yourselves.

Or keep doing it, and keep piling on the pounds. It's ok, I just authorized the purchase of a lift that holds up to 700 lbs at my nursing home. You'll always have somewhere to go.

I'm out.

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/17/2014 2:37:00 PM   
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Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/17/2014 11:32:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just like to say that there is a difference between being chubby, and being morbidly obese. Same as there is a difference between being skinny, and being morbidly....whats the word that means "too thin" (anorexic is a condition, not a type of weight)

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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/18/2014 5:24:38 AM   
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I just like to say that there is a difference between being chubby, and being morbidly obese. Same as there is a difference between being skinny, and being morbidly....whats the word that means "too thin" (anorexic is a condition, not a type of weight)



And there are people who are the correct weight who drop dead of heart disease every day, and there are fat folks who have good stats on their labs. It just chaps my ass for someone who has obviously not dealt with the physical and mental things that accompany being fat to try to simplify it to "we are lying to our selves."

Believe me, I don't lie to my self when folks turn their head to avoid eye contact, I don't lie to my self as I lose weight and see that it is making my body worse, because shit is falling in most unpleasant ways, I don't lie to my self when I realize that my bio mother and 2 half sisters, who I never knew, were also obese within a year of giving birth for the first time, just like I was, and no one can explain why.

People are people. There are reasons that they are like they are, whether it be fat or having a superiority complex to the folks that are fat, skinny or delusional. When we can start loving each other no matter what, the world will become a better place.

I know that aint gonna happen. I just turned into the angry fat broad that I have always despised, but in addition to this thread being "the reason people are fat", it also shows the reasons people are ignorant too.

Damn that felt good to type. Now I am gonna waddle my fat ass to the kitchen to get another cup of fucking coffee.



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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/18/2014 5:42:37 AM   
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I just like to say that there is a difference between being chubby, and being morbidly obese. Same as there is a difference between being skinny, and being morbidly....whats the word that means "too thin" (anorexic is a condition, not a type of weight)



And there are people who are the correct weight who drop dead of heart disease every day, and there are fat folks who have good stats on their labs. It just chaps my ass for someone who has obviously not dealt with the physical and mental things that accompany being fat to try to simplify it to "we are lying to our selves."

Believe me, I don't lie to my self when folks turn their head to avoid eye contact, I don't lie to my self as I lose weight and see that it is making my body worse, because shit is falling in most unpleasant ways, I don't lie to my self when I realize that my bio mother and 2 half sisters, who I never knew, were also obese within a year of giving birth for the first time, just like I was, and no one can explain why.

People are people. There are reasons that they are like they are, whether it be fat or having a superiority complex to the folks that are fat, skinny or delusional. When we can start loving each other no matter what, the world will become a better place.

I know that aint gonna happen. I just turned into the angry fat broad that I have always despised, but in addition to this thread being "the reason people are fat", it also shows the reasons people are ignorant too.

Damn that felt good to type. Now I am gonna waddle my fat ass to the kitchen to get another cup of fucking coffee.




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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/18/2014 8:04:05 AM   
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Oh my god.

This thread is why people are fat.

Stop making excuses, and lying to yourselves.

Or keep doing it, and keep piling on the pounds. It's ok, I just authorized the purchase of a lift that holds up to 700 lbs at my nursing home. You'll always have somewhere to go.

I'm out.


I take it your talking to all of us? Are you always so presumptuous? Keep doing what? eating broccoli like Greta? removing fructose from our diet? Understanding that not all calories are equal? Doing our own research? or should we just carry on following the multi million dollar diet industry?

We are led to believe that the main culprit of obesity is caused by individual choices about food and exercise and whilst I believe that personal gluttony and laziness has a big contributing factor, I certainly don't believe its an entire explanation for this alarmingly sudden American human weight gain. We have always had gluttony and for hundreds of years we have had access to lard, dripping, butter, cheese and sugar. If its just gluttony why the sudden pandemic?

I don't believe anyone should just carry on eating large meals and snacking on chocolate bars if they have a weight problem and want to lose that weight but by being better informed about other factors that aint helping them and eliminating those factors, is not only a good thing, it gives people hope and makes people healthier.






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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/18/2014 9:30:37 AM   
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I just like to say that there is a difference between being chubby, and being morbidly obese. Same as there is a difference between being skinny, and being morbidly....whats the word that means "too thin" (anorexic is a condition, not a type of weight)



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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/18/2014 11:47:37 AM   
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RE: Why is being into "big girls" still consi... - 5/18/2014 2:31:51 PM   
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