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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/26/2016 8:16:39 AM   
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And yet the vast majority of gunshot victims survive.

I can validate that.

That's what you get for trying to shoot that dude in the foot.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/26/2016 9:37:27 AM   
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Everyone knows thompson's just an asshole that will lie repeatedly. Just document the facts and keep referring back to the original post.
"Anyone that wants to know the truth refer to post x."

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/26/2016 11:51:59 AM   
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And yet the vast majority of gunshot victims survive.

I can validate that.

That's what you get for trying to shoot that dude in the foot.

No that is what I got for wearing a green suit and trying to swat bullets with my ass.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/26/2016 11:53:47 AM   
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ifmaz, relax about it.

Everyone knows thompson's just an asshole that will lie repeatedly. Just document the facts and keep referring back to the original post.
"Anyone that wants to know the truth refer to post x."


You can play also. All you need to do is show up next thursday with a pair of balls and $25K

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/26/2016 4:17:50 PM   
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And yet the vast majority of gunshot victims survive.

I can validate that.

That's what you get for trying to shoot that dude in the foot.

No that is what I got for wearing a green suit and trying to swat bullets with my ass.


Shoulda shot the guns out of their hands or must stopped them with a well placed wounding shot, Wyatt Earp. So many keep saying it's easy.
I guess it isn't.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/27/2016 2:17:39 AM   
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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 4:38:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I HAVE been trained to,, as a first shot , shoot the enemy in the leg, put them down.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 11:56:44 AM   
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I HAVE been trained to,, as a first shot , shoot the enemy in the leg, put them down.



I have been trained both by cops and the military to shoot at the largest part of the body, center mass. If you miss by a couple of inches when shooting at a leg you get shot, if you miss by a couple of inches when shooring center mass you still disable.

also

A Who taught you? I have never heard that from a reputable self defense trainer promoting a holliwood shot.

B You responded to my opening post while ignoring what it said and jumping into the shot placement argument, why?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:00:30 PM   
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I can't imagine training anybody to shoot for the leg, rather than the main mass.

I'd be very interested in seeing the link for anybody training in this philosophy.


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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:15:10 PM   
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I have been trained both by cops and the military to shoot at the largest part of the body, center mass.

That is what is taught to the uncoordinated fools who cannot hit what they aim at.


If you miss by a couple of inches when shooting at a leg you get shot, if you miss by a couple of inches when shooring center mass you still disable.

You do not know much about human anatomy do you?



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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:19:39 PM   
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That is what is taught to the uncoordinated fools who cannot hit what they aim at.

Or, it's a case of "take the shot you know you can make".

I consider myself being better off not ever saying anything about how accurate I am with a pistol. That way, if I put multiple slugs into someone, nobody will question it.



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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:34:47 PM   
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That is what is taught to the uncoordinated fools who cannot hit what they aim at.

Or, it's a case of "take the shot you know you can make".

I am pretty sure that is exactly what I said. The bulls eye on a 25yd. pistol target is 1.51" in diameter. I have no problem hitting it. If someone can only hit a center of mass size target and their life is in danger then that is the shot they take.



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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:35:33 PM   
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I have been trained both by cops and the military to shoot at the largest part of the body, center mass.

That is what is taught to the uncoordinated fools who cannot hit what they aim at.


If you miss by a couple of inches when shooting at a leg you get shot, if you miss by a couple of inches when shooring center mass you still disable.

You do not know much about human anatomy do you?





Bit arrogant, as usual?
A friend who spent most of his career in LA Co. Swat Team says they trained almost every day. It's not a stretch to assume the training officers there have some acquaintance with target anatomy. People who weren't accurate didn't even get in the program. The training protocol for handguns that was related to me is, when you have to stop someone, double tap to body center. If you are using an adequate caliber, within range, and they are still on their feet, the assumption is they are wearing body armor and you move Immediately to head shots. Until they are down.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:46:47 PM   
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Bit arrogant, as usual?

It is only arrogant if it is not true.

A friend who spent most of his career in LA Co. Swat Team says they trained almost every day. It's not a stretch to assume the training officers there have some acquaintance with target anatomy. People who weren't accurate didn't even get in the program. The training protocol for handguns that was related to me is, when you have to stop someone, double tap to body center. If you are using an adequate caliber, within range, and they are still on their feet, the assumption is they are wearing body armor and you move Immediately to head shots. Until they are down.

That also reduces the number of witnesses does it not. Yes I quite aware that cops are "always in fear for their life" I am also aware that "in the heat of battle" all cops claim they quit thinking.
Now I have been shot at by people who did not know my name. I was a target only because I did not have the right color suit on. The bottom line is anger and fear spoil your aim. If you do this sort of thing for a living, anger and fear are not options they are liabilities.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 12:53:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand the training and reasoning...but.... Just me... If I am armed with a weapon full of ammo...and an unarmed young man is running at me ignoring my order to stop...IF I had time my first shot would be intended to stop him with as little chance of serious injury as possible...Yep if that did not work then center mass for sure.

I like to think I would be level headed and calm enough to check the background and if clear try to stop him with a leg shot.... I don't give a damn about training...if i don't have to take a life I will not do it?

Butch

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 1:12:56 PM   
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That is what is taught to the uncoordinated fools who cannot hit what they aim at.

Or, it's a case of "take the shot you know you can make".

I am pretty sure that is exactly what I said. The bulls eye on a 25yd. pistol target is 1.51" in diameter. I have no problem hitting it. If someone can only hit a center of mass size target and their life is in danger then that is the shot they take.




Yet, you still got shot in the ass. Shouldn't you have shot the gun out of their hand first?

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 1:24:59 PM   
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Yet, you still got shot in the ass. Shouldn't you have shot the gun out of their hand first?

Actually it is a bit of schrapnel in my spine. It only hurts most of the time instead of all the time...but being veritcal has it's advantages.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 1:31:38 PM   
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I understand the training and reasoning...but.... Just me... If I am armed with a weapon full of ammo...and an unarmed young man is running at me ignoring my order to stop...IF I had time my first shot would be intended to stop him with as little chance of serious injury as possible...Yep if that did not work then center mass for sure.

I like to think I would be level headed and calm enough to check the background and if clear try to stop him with a leg shot.... I don't give a damn about training...if i don't have to take a life I will not do it?

Butch



How do you know he is unarmed?
You don't.
You can assume that because you don't see the weapon he doesn't have one.
This assumetion could easily be fatal.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 1:33:45 PM   
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How do you know he is unarmed?
You don't.
You can assume that because you don't see the weapon he doesn't have one.
This assumetion could easily be fatal.


Coulda,woulda,shoulda...yet you with two guns and a dog got punked for your lunch money.

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RE: Does self defense allow you to beat someone to deat... - 3/28/2016 1:57:36 PM   
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I have been trained both by cops and the military to shoot at the largest part of the body, center mass.

That is what is taught to the uncoordinated fools who cannot hit what they aim at.


If you miss by a couple of inches when shooting at a leg you get shot, if you miss by a couple of inches when shooring center mass you still disable.

You do not know much about human anatomy do you?





Bit arrogant, as usual?
A friend who spent most of his career in LA Co. Swat Team says they trained almost every day. It's not a stretch to assume the training officers there have some acquaintance with target anatomy. People who weren't accurate didn't even get in the program. The training protocol for handguns that was related to me is, when you have to stop someone, double tap to body center. If you are using an adequate caliber, within range, and they are still on their feet, the assumption is they are wearing body armor and you move Immediately to head shots. Until they are down.

Guess he has never seen the videos of crackheads continue after being shot 10-15 times. If being attacked you have to assume the worst and do enough damage to stop a crackhead. .45s to the chest give you a better chance.
He won't even notice when you blow his toe off, he will notice when his heart and lungs are on the ground behind him.

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