ifmaz
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ifmaz, relax about it.
Everyone knows thompson's just an asshole that will lie repeatedly. Just document the facts and keep referring back to the original post.
"Anyone that wants to know the truth refer to post x."
I'm relaxed, swearsies! I debated putting him on ignore but don't like the idea of forcibly silencing someone just because they have a case of the dumb. I don't quite understand why he's so fascinated with his 2014 post and why he continues to bring that into a conversation he and I had nearly two years later unless he realizes his mouth outmatched his abilities or he got me confused with igor2003. It's also interesting that he refuses to use the quoting system properly. He has to go through extra effort to remove the starting quote tags so it's obviously done on purpose, presumably because he makes edits to what people have said; if he doesn't like it he omits it entirely, like he can't bear to repost the words that illustrate why he is wrong. I'm sure he'll have some snappy retort to this, probably attacking one's intelligence level if they don't like how he posts. What will be interesting is if he omits this paragraph, although now he'd be forced to repost it because attention will be on whether or not he does so.
Anyway, a few friends and I went out to the desert for some range time and I brought up this wager to them. While everyone agreed shooting at the feet was idiotic and shooting at specific toes even more idiotic we decided to try it, obviously not shooting at a person because we're not psychopaths. We set up some targets taped to normal AR500 steel plates, both circular and silhouette. The goal was to use a single round to strike a toe-sized target; we used a 1" square which is about the size of 2-3 toes.
We were going to start with rifles but felt the target was too close, plus the AR500 pamphlet said minimum 100 yard distance for proper rifles. We opted to try with the Glock 19 (9mm, popular carry firearm), Glock 17 (9mm, many police carry this), two somewhat tricked out Glock 34s (9mm, competition/race gun), Kahr somethingorother (because Moonies), Sig P229 (9mm, Coast Guard carry this), and an AR9 (AR15-style rifle that shoots 9mm, 16" barrel), so mostly 9mm, which is a popular carry caliber with minimal recoil. Under normal range conditions we all hit the 1" square at 10' and most of us hit the 1" square at 25 yards (75'), especially with the Glock 34s. Under somewhat normal CCW conditions (ie drawing and firing) we all continued to hit the 1" square at 10'. At 25 yards (75'), most of us hit the 1" square when drawing and firing, pretty much the same group. We didn't "draw" with the AR9 but started at a low-ready position before shouldering and firing. With the AR9 everyone hit the 1" target at both 10' and 25 yards. Nobody liked my admittedly cheap red dot sight but nobody offered to buy me an EOTech either.
We then added the "under duress" part of the wager. One of us, the 'attacker', started about 12 feet away and would run towards the shooter's back (again, we're not psychopaths). The shooter would have to draw and fire at the steel targets before the 'attacker' reached them, simulating, for the most part, a normal defensive scenario. While we all hit the steel plate at 10', only two of us were able to hit the 1" square before the 'attacker' touched them. Perhaps not surprisingly they both compete in IPSC and it was with their Glock 34s, which are not considered carry firearms. It should be noted the 'attacker' was well within striking distance, only a step or two away, by the time the shots were taken. At 25 yards (75'), no one was able to hit the 1" square accurately before the 'attacker' touched them. Interestingly, when we had the 'attacker' and others yell at the shooter while the attacker approached, none of us were able to land rounds directly into the 1" square at 10' or 25 yards. We then tried "under duress" part 2: same setup as before except two of us would stand on the shooter's sides and one would shove the shooter before they completed drawing. The shooter did not know in advance which side would push them. No one hit the 1" square in either scenario although most of the rounds did hit the steel. We did not try these scenarios with the AR9.
By mid-afternoon there was a slight breeze so we (barely) taped a full-size silhouette target to the steel plates, again drawing a 1" square. It flapped around enough, most of the time, to mimic some movement. In the 'under duress part 1' scenario, only one person hit the square at 10', mostly because the wind died down. No one hit the square at 25 yards. In 'under duress part 2', no one hit the flapping square at 10'. No one hit the flapping square at 25 yards (75 feet) in either scenario.
Ultimately we decided, while fun, this was stupid and I should buy everyone lunch as penance. If someone is rushing at you intending on doing you harm, shoot at center mass and don't risk your life by shooting at their feet or toes based on what some interweb doofus says yet cannot support. That, the Kahr sucked (lol Moonies), and the Glock 34 competition guns were pretty awesome (now I want one).
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