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DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:13:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Voter registration fraud isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Fraudulent registrations aren't fraudulent votes. They have the same goal, to skew the results of an election fraudulently. Call a spade a spade. If it's not a spade, don't call it a spade. Registration fraud isn't voter fraud, but that's not to say that it isn't fraud or that we shouldn't actively work towards eliminating it. Maybe we should have initiatives that cull through the voter registrations rolls to get rid of the dead people (especially the ones that were dead before they voted), and increase the accuracy of the registrations data? Oh, wait. The Democrats oppose that, too.

BitYakin -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:25:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. Fetuses respond to their environment, if fact if it changes too drastically it can be killed by it. They are also reproducing cells as they grow so yes they do fit 6 and 7. But using your logic, kids can't reproduce until their bodies develop, are you going to claim they aren't alive yet either. Dividing cells is not what the line is talking about. A child has the capacity to reproduce it is simply not yet ready. A fetus completely lacks the ability. sorry but that SAME LOGIC applies to a fetus, if allowed to continue living a fetus will ALSO DEVELOPE the ability to reproduce. it no more LACKS THE ABILITY than a 2 yr old, who ALSO will DEVELOPE that ability years later what was it you said about being an EMBARESSMENT? BTW when you say dividing cells does not count in your PROOF OF LIFE theory, you then say all cellular organisms who REPRODUCE by cell division are ALSO NOT ALIVE... you just claimed a great HOST of living things that reproduce threw cell division are NOT ALIVE http://www.ehow.com/info_8758003_list-asexually-reproducing-organisms.html

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:26:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. sooo a mule isn't a living organism then? 1. the sterile offspring of a female horse and a male donkey, valued as a work animal, having strong muscles, a body shaped like a horse, and donkey like long ears, small feet, and sure-footedness. A mule has reproductive organs and can reproduce. Do try to not be such a complete embarrassment. sorry NO it has the organs BUT CANNOT REPRODUCE, being a hybrid of a horse and donkey their DNA is screwed up and CANNOT REPRODUCE TRY not to use INSULTS as a valid argument! they ARE NOT! BTW the only person who EBMARRESSED themselves just now was YOU, mules CAN NOT REPRODUCE.... Dumbass http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1289946/

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:28:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Wrong. A fetus may eventually become an organism that can reproduce but it is not itself an organism that can reproduce. It is not an organism at all in the technical sense. Citation? Already provided. Until a fetus is viable it is not technically an organism separate from it's mother.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:30:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. Fetuses respond to their environment, if fact if it changes too drastically it can be killed by it. They are also reproducing cells as they grow so yes they do fit 6 and 7. But using your logic, kids can't reproduce until their bodies develop, are you going to claim they aren't alive yet either. Dividing cells is not what the line is talking about. A child has the capacity to reproduce it is simply not yet ready. A fetus completely lacks the ability. sorry but that SAME LOGIC applies to a fetus, if allowed to continue living a fetus will ALSO DEVELOPE the ability to reproduce. it no more LACKS THE ABILITY than a 2 yr old, who ALSO will DEVELOPE that ability years later what was it you said about being an EMBARESSMENT? BTW when you say dividing cells does not count in your PROOF OF LIFE theory, you then say all cellular organisms who REPRODUCE by cell division are ALSO NOT ALIVE... you just claimed a great HOST of living things that reproduce threw cell division are NOT ALIVE http://www.ehow.com/info_8758003_list-asexually-reproducing-organisms.html Would you please stop you are simply too embarrassing. And once again random caps does not improve your stupid argument.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Voter registration fraud isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Fraudulent registrations aren't fraudulent votes. Fraudulent votes are things like someone voting who wasn't alive at the time of the election, or someone voting as someone else, or someone voting several times. But, those never happen. Except when they do. You keep saying this wild belief, yet have not one shred of decent evidence to support it. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island-Nassau-County-Newsday-230030371.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-case-of-zombie-voters-in-south-carolina/2013/07/24/86de3c64-f403-11e2-aa2e-4088616498b4_blog.html http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/ http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061029/NEWS01/610290381/1006/NEWS01 http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/05/30/poll-worker-who-voted-for-obama-multiple-times-convicted-of-voting-fraud-73217 http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/marquette.htm http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/editorial-a-lesson-for-the-president/ I guess you're right, Joether. I don't have *ONE* shred of evidence...

BitYakin -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:41:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you don't know and are too stupid to use Google. A living organism is defined by 8 characteristics 1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances. 2) All living things contain one or more cells. 3) All living things use energy. 4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size. 5) Living things grow. 6) Living things respond to changes in the environment. 7) Living things can reproduce. 8) Living things eventually die. A fetus fails both 6 and 7 so technically it is not alive. It may eventually be alive but at the fetus stage it is not yet fully alive. sooo a mule isn't a living organism then? 1. the sterile offspring of a female horse and a male donkey, valued as a work animal, having strong muscles, a body shaped like a horse, and donkey like long ears, small feet, and sure-footedness. A mule has reproductive organs and can reproduce. Do try to not be such a complete embarrassment. sorry NO it has the organs BUT CANNOT REPRODUCE, being a hybrid of a horse and donkey their DNA is screwed up and CANNOT REPRODUCE TRY not to use INSULTS as a valid argument! they ARE NOT! BTW the only person who EBMARRESSED themselves just now was YOU, mules CAN NOT REPRODUCE.... Dumbass http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1289946/ sorry dude that's what's known as the EXCEPTION TO THE RULE...

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:43:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen *A child has the capacity to reproduce* A pre-pubescent child does not have the capacity to reproduce. Puberty is the process of physical changes by which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of sexual reproduction You really need to get a fucking grip. K. A pre pubescent child has all the organs needed to reproduce. the organs simply must mature. You really should learn biology. http://www.baby2see.com/gender/external_genitals.html http://www.baby2see.com/gender/internal_genitals.html http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/conception/human-reproduction1.htm Here we see that a fetus will have "all the organs needed to reproduce," and that "the organs simply must mature."

BitYakin -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:46:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Wrong. A fetus may eventually become an organism that can reproduce but it is not itself an organism that can reproduce. It is not an organism at all in the technical sense. Citation? Already provided. Until a fetus is viable it is not technically an organism separate from it's mother. hmmm until a fetus is viable separate from its mother its not alive I submit that a fetus could be implanted in an artificial womb AKA surrogate mother and survive, matter of a fact its been done many times, the fertilized egg of a woman is implanted in another womb and survives can it survive without any support, NOO but them neither can a new born baby just because a fetus would require more extensive support doesn't change the FACT that both a fetus and new born require SUPPORT to remain viable nice try though

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:56:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Wrong. A fetus may eventually become an organism that can reproduce but it is not itself an organism that can reproduce. It is not an organism at all in the technical sense. Citation? Already provided. Until a fetus is viable it is not technically an organism separate from it's mother. Where did you cite the "technical" definition of an organism?

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 7:13:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen *A child has the capacity to reproduce* A pre-pubescent child does not have the capacity to reproduce. Puberty is the process of physical changes by which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of sexual reproduction You really need to get a fucking grip. K. A pre pubescent child has all the organs needed to reproduce. the organs simply must mature. You really should learn biology. http://www.baby2see.com/gender/external_genitals.html http://www.baby2see.com/gender/internal_genitals.html http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/conception/human-reproduction1.htm Here we see that a fetus will have "all the organs needed to reproduce," and that "the organs simply must mature." will have is not the same as has.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 7:17:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Wrong. A fetus may eventually become an organism that can reproduce but it is not itself an organism that can reproduce. It is not an organism at all in the technical sense. Citation? Already provided. Until a fetus is viable it is not technically an organism separate from it's mother. hmmm until a fetus is viable separate from its mother its not alive I submit that a fetus could be implanted in an artificial womb AKA surrogate mother and survive, matter of a fact its been done many times, the fertilized egg of a woman is implanted in another womb and survives can it survive without any support, NOO but them neither can a new born baby just because a fetus would require more extensive support doesn't change the FACT that both a fetus and new born require SUPPORT to remain viable nice try though Can you actually be that stupid? A fetus cannot survive without a human womb. Ever. An embryo can be frozen but a fetus cannot be. Please please stop discussing things you know nothing about. BTW a surrogate mother is not an artificial anything.

Musicmystery -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 10:24:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Voter registration fraud isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Fraudulent registrations aren't fraudulent votes. They have the same goal, to skew the results of an election fraudulently. Call a spade a spade. If it's not a spade, don't call it a spade. Registration fraud isn't voter fraud, but that's not to say that it isn't fraud Use your head instead of clichés. That's exactly what I just said. The intent is to sway the election in ways other than swaying voters' minds. But while you're on this, that's also exactly the problem with your arguments -- you ignore the larger context, in this case, the partisan motivation of the Republicans -- and the registration fraud occurring on both sides. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/2421595/investigation-into-trashed-voter-registrations

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 10:39:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen *A child has the capacity to reproduce* A pre-pubescent child does not have the capacity to reproduce. Puberty is the process of physical changes by which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of sexual reproduction You really need to get a fucking grip. K. A pre pubescent child has all the organs needed to reproduce. the organs simply must mature. You really should learn biology. http://www.baby2see.com/gender/external_genitals.html http://www.baby2see.com/gender/internal_genitals.html http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/conception/human-reproduction1.htm Here we see that a fetus will have "all the organs needed to reproduce," and that "the organs simply must mature." will have is not the same as has. And, by 16-18 weeks, the external genitalia are there, and they lag the internal sex organs. IOW, they have the "all the organs needed to reproduce," and that "the organs simply must mature."

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 10:47:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Voter registration fraud isn't the same thing as voter fraud. Fraudulent registrations aren't fraudulent votes. They have the same goal, to skew the results of an election fraudulently. Call a spade a spade. If it's not a spade, don't call it a spade. Registration fraud isn't voter fraud, but that's not to say that it isn't fraud Use your head instead of clichés. That's exactly what I just said. The intent is to sway the election in ways other than swaying voters' minds. But while you're on this, that's also exactly the problem with your arguments -- you ignore the larger context, in this case, the partisan motivation of the Republicans -- and the registration fraud occurring on both sides. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/2421595/investigation-into-trashed-voter-registrations I do use my head. You just posted a nearly 10-year old article about fraudulent Republican registrations. Where have I said that fraud only occurs by/for the Democrats? The fact remains that just because there are fraudulent registrations doesn't mean there is voter fraud. However, I am opposed to both registration fraud and voter fraud, which is why I oppose being able to register and vote on the same day. I also support having to show ID to vote/register (voter registration groups have shown that an ID isn't required for them to register you).

Musicmystery -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 11:15:51 AM)
Nice backpedal.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 12:38:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Nice backpedal. No backpedal.

truckinslave -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 12:54:36 PM)
quote: Too bad. The US Constitution and a whole bunch of court rulings says it is Wrong. As usual. SCOTUS has issued several rulings upholding voter ID. Cases from Indiana and Georgia for example....

truckinslave -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 1:03:05 PM)
No person both sane and reasonably intelligent can believe that a college ID should be accepted as proof of citizenship. Not. One.

thishereboi -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 1:43:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Wrong. A fetus may eventually become an organism that can reproduce but it is not itself an organism that can reproduce. It is not an organism at all in the technical sense. Citation? Already provided. Until a fetus is viable it is not technically an organism separate from it's mother. Straying a bit from your original claim that a fetus isn't alive, but I suppose that is your only chance of not looking like a total fool. Such a shame you just can't admit you might be wrong.

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