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DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 2:40:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave No person both sane and reasonably intelligent can believe that a college ID should be accepted as proof of citizenship. Not. One. No. There is absolutely no reason a college ID could not be used for voting. As a matter of fact I defy you to present any reason why it could not be so used.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 2:43:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen *A child has the capacity to reproduce* A pre-pubescent child does not have the capacity to reproduce. Puberty is the process of physical changes by which a child's body matures into an adult body capable of sexual reproduction You really need to get a fucking grip. K. A pre pubescent child has all the organs needed to reproduce. the organs simply must mature. You really should learn biology. http://www.baby2see.com/gender/external_genitals.html http://www.baby2see.com/gender/internal_genitals.html http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/conception/human-reproduction1.htm Here we see that a fetus will have "all the organs needed to reproduce," and that "the organs simply must mature." will have is not the same as has. And, by 16-18 weeks, the external genitalia are there, and they lag the internal sex organs. IOW, they have the "all the organs needed to reproduce," and that "the organs simply must mature." Get a biology course. The structures may be growing but while it is still a fetus they aren't developed.

truckinslave -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 2:57:14 PM)
Oh gee I dunno Lemme think Wow tough tough tough toughee College students are dim? No, that's true, but it's not it Pi R Skewed? No no no Wait How about this? College ID is not proof of American citizenship? No, that can't be it. Because, seriously, any common idiot could have thought of that. Only an uncommon idiot would have failed to realize that, so, gee, I dunno

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 3:00:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get a biology course. The structures may be growing but while it is still a fetus they aren't developed. Read a link. They are there.

Musicmystery -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 3:06:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave No person both sane and reasonably intelligent can believe that a college ID should be accepted as proof of citizenship. Not. One. No. There is absolutely no reason a college ID could not be used for voting. As a matter of fact I defy you to present any reason why it could not be so used. Sure. Not all college students are citizens. In fact, many college students aren't citizens. Additionally, many college students attend school other than where they are registered, so a college ID doesn't mean they're legally entitled to vote at a given polling place. In fact, college IDs don't list any residence at all.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 4:35:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh gee I dunno Lemme think Wow tough tough tough toughee College students are dim? No, that's true, but it's not it Pi R Skewed? No no no Wait How about this? College ID is not proof of American citizenship? No, that can't be it. Because, seriously, any common idiot could have thought of that. Only an uncommon idiot would have failed to realize that, so, gee, I dunno So you got nothing. Got it. BTW for the truly dim, public universities do know if students are citizens because they test for residency for tuition.

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 4:37:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get a biology course. The structures may be growing but while it is still a fetus they aren't developed. Read a link. They are there. Look get some detail biology knowledge then this will make sense to you. Till then your Googling stuff is just annoying.

quizzicalkitten -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 4:44:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh gee I dunno Lemme think Wow tough tough tough toughee College students are dim? No, that's true, but it's not it Pi R Skewed? No no no Wait How about this? College ID is not proof of American citizenship? No, that can't be it. Because, seriously, any common idiot could have thought of that. Only an uncommon idiot would have failed to realize that, so, gee, I dunno So you got nothing. Got it. BTW for the truly dim, public universities do know if students are citizens because they test for residency for tuition. But you dont get a different college ID for being a citizen or non citizen... you just show up and say your college ID number and they snap a photo.... Seriously.... Im trying to understand are you just severely lacking in mental facilities... or do you put on an act to be intentionally inflammatory.

Kirata -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 5:04:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten Seriously.... Im trying to understand are you just severely lacking in mental facilities... or do you put on an act to be intentionally inflammatory. I've always said there's no fooling a cat. [:)] K.

Musicmystery -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 7:02:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh gee I dunno Lemme think Wow tough tough tough toughee College students are dim? No, that's true, but it's not it Pi R Skewed? No no no Wait How about this? College ID is not proof of American citizenship? No, that can't be it. Because, seriously, any common idiot could have thought of that. Only an uncommon idiot would have failed to realize that, so, gee, I dunno So you got nothing. Got it. BTW for the truly dim, public universities do know if students are citizens because they test for residency for tuition. Wow you're a moron. Of course they know. Private universities know too. But the ID is the same for citizens and non-citizens, with nothing to distinguish them. Hence, not a good choice for ID at the polls. College ID also has no residence listed. Hence, the student could be registered anywhere, another state, and still have the same ID as a student who lives in town.

Kirata -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 7:23:28 PM)
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DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 8:34:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh gee I dunno Lemme think Wow tough tough tough toughee College students are dim? No, that's true, but it's not it Pi R Skewed? No no no Wait How about this? College ID is not proof of American citizenship? No, that can't be it. Because, seriously, any common idiot could have thought of that. Only an uncommon idiot would have failed to realize that, so, gee, I dunno So you got nothing. Got it. BTW for the truly dim, public universities do know if students are citizens because they test for residency for tuition. Wow you're a moron. Of course they know. Private universities know too. But the ID is the same for citizens and non-citizens, with nothing to distinguish them. Hence, not a good choice for ID at the polls. College ID also has no residence listed. Hence, the student could be registered anywhere, another state, and still have the same ID as a student who lives in town. But there is no reason it has to be that way.

subrob1967 -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 8:53:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen But there is no reason it has to be that way. So you were against voter ID before you were for it? Are you really saying that Ken?

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/1/2014 9:16:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Oh gee I dunno Lemme think Wow tough tough tough toughee College students are dim? No, that's true, but it's not it Pi R Skewed? No no no Wait How about this? College ID is not proof of American citizenship? No, that can't be it. Because, seriously, any common idiot could have thought of that. Only an uncommon idiot would have failed to realize that, so, gee, I dunno So you got nothing. Got it. BTW for the truly dim, public universities do know if students are citizens because they test for residency for tuition. Wow you're a moron. Of course they know. Private universities know too. But the ID is the same for citizens and non-citizens, with nothing to distinguish them. Hence, not a good choice for ID at the polls. College ID also has no residence listed. Hence, the student could be registered anywhere, another state, and still have the same ID as a student who lives in town. But there is no reason it has to be that way. So your solution is to allow student IDs to be used, but first saddle the universities with the responsibility to change them so that they actually work for the purpose? That makes so much more sense then just showing a driver's license or state issued ID.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/2/2014 1:25:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get a biology course. The structures may be growing but while it is still a fetus they aren't developed. Read a link. They are there. Look get some detail biology knowledge then this will make sense to you. Till then your Googling stuff is just annoying. IOW, "nuh unh."

DesideriScuri -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/2/2014 1:27:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten Seriously.... Im trying to understand are you just severely lacking in mental facilities... or do you put on an act to be intentionally inflammatory. He has the gift of aggressive ignorance.

truckinslave -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/2/2014 1:57:51 AM)
quote: Wow you're a moron. With no sarcasm gene

joether -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/2/2014 2:22:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi The claim was that requiring id was a move to stop democrats from voting. If that is true then that means less democrats have id's than republicans. If you are going to make a claim, you need to back it up with some kind of proof. Now you say that the elderly have more problems but they are not all democrats so that doesn't prove anything. The poor have to have id to collect medicaid so that's not it. College students may lean left but not enough to make a difference and the republican ones would have the same problems so that's bullshit too. Now one poster did admit a while back that she was all for voter id requirements until she found out the right thought it was a good idea. It's probably the closest to the truth that I am going to get. The rest just keep singing "but it's to block democrats" because that is what there were taught to sing. Republicans would not push for something unless they stood to gain from it politically (i.e. get more Republicans into office). Same as Democrats, right? However, Democrats are not the ones pushing for more strict requirements with voting. Since the amount of voter fraud is so tiny as to be rendered irrelevant to state and federal elections. The idea of Voter ID hinges on the false belief that voter fraud is rampant and destroying the nation. After all, some black guy got elected to the White House! And then got re-elected! That must mean (according to conservative/libertarian dogma) that there is something wrong with the voting process. Republican/Tea Party are not looking for more people to vote, but less. The less that vote, the more wingnuts and lame-ass idiots get into office. So making it harder for people to vote, would be to their advantage. I pointed out the primary hurdles to the three largest groups that would be effected by this legal concept. You can deny it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true. Finally... ...Voter ID violates my 4th amendment rights! still can't answer the question I see... In order to have a question, a question mark (?) needs to be part of the sentence asking the question. Do you see any question marks (?) in your 'essay'? 'No', because you were not asking a question, but making a statement. the question was asked of dk a while back but apparently he couldn't come up with an answer and decided to show us how much he doesn't know about life. You jumped into the conversation but have also failed to answer it. And no, I am not a bit surprised. I cant answer a question, if I don't know what the question is to begin with. That's how logic works....

DomKen -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/2/2014 2:49:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Get a biology course. The structures may be growing but while it is still a fetus they aren't developed. Read a link. They are there. Look get some detail biology knowledge then this will make sense to you. Till then your Googling stuff is just annoying. IOW, "nuh unh." IOW, Debating this with people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about and can't be bothered getting the actual definitions right is annoying as hell.

joether -> RE: Oops. Voter ID advocate Asa Hutchinson forgets Voter ID at polls (6/2/2014 3:30:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island-Nassau-County-Newsday-230030371.html This is what happens when county clerks fail to keep their records up to date. As I pointed out, that if college kids in Boston, MA can obtain near-genuine fake IDs, its not to hard when the person they pull it from is already dead. Or, maybe those people actually did vote. Being dead hasn't stopped many people in history from doing things. Like Jesus Christ.... Took me just one google search of 'Nassau', 'County', 'Voter Fraud', and 'Facts': Your Source is Full of Shit. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-case-of-zombie-voters-in-south-carolina/2013/07/24/86de3c64-f403-11e2-aa2e-4088616498b4_blog.html Oh yeah, the Washington Post. Those jokers are about as honest as FOX News. Oh wait, this DID come from FOX News.... You should read down where it states 'FACTS'. That the number of 'dead' votes was about 0.00005% of the total vote. And it was not just one election, but 74 DIFFERENT elections. From the source your quoting: The so-called votes by dead people were the result of clerical errors or mistaken identities.. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/ This is a case in which the clerks handling the voting failed to purge their records of dead people. There exist mechanisms to do this in each state and at the federal level. Your the one that claims "A Limited Government" in your tagline, right? Why create more laws for issues that have laws that handle them? Or is your principle 'A Limited Government' full of shit? When the Law finally caught up to Mr. Keaton, he pleaded guilty. How did he do it? All the voting in Oregon at the time is done by mail. So how would a Photo ID have stopped this guy? Do you even bother to CHECK YOUR SOURCES, DS? Seriously..... quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061029/NEWS01/610290381/1006/NEWS01 From this source, DS: "The numbers do not indicate how much fraud is the result of dead voters in New York, only the potential for it. Typically, records of votes by the dead are the result of bookkeeping errors and do not result in the casting of extra ballots. The Journal did not find any fraud in the local matches it investigated." READ YOUR FREAKING SOURCES.....!!!!!! Further down on this same article I did have a laugh: "Nobody wants to remove someone from the voter rolls who may not be dead," Stanton said. "I got one of those calls once." quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/05/30/poll-worker-who-voted-for-obama-multiple-times-convicted-of-voting-fraud-73217 Yes, if you read the first sentence or two, this would be a winner. Unfortunately its the...DETAILS one has to read (i.e. everything AFTER the first two sentences). She is a poll worker. Right there, is the ability to circumnavigate around showing a Photo ID to cast ballots. That's where the poll workers and more importantly, the police officer stationed there to keep an eye on things. "Richardson acknowledged in November that she voted by absentee ballot and then again at a precinct because she was afraid her absentee ballot would not be counted, according to Cincinnati’s Channel 9." This does happen. However, absentee ballots are checked against polling station records. If two votes came from two different sources (actually voting, and absentee ballot), they count just one vote. Assuming all the other stuff was not present, maybe Mrs. Richardson had a mental disorder on memory? Its not unheard of in this day and age, DS. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/marquette.htm Lets just get the FACTS OUT FIRST! "The DA’s inquiry examined voting records for hundreds of MU students and found no double voting. McCann concluded that the student survey had drawn "apparently unfounded, spoof responses. No one was charged." How did I find this one, DS? Google: "Marquette University voter fraud 2000 facts" quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/editorial-a-lesson-for-the-president/ Hey look....ANOTHER....Washington Post article.... And Here is where the Bullshit gets DESTROYED! quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I guess you're right, Joether. I don't have *ONE* shred of evidence... No, you really don't. Once FACTS are applied, you STILL don't have an argument. In each case, Photo ID laws would not have done one damn thing in protecting the vote. Just more bullshit, that violates the 4th amendment, but is 'feel good politics' that the conservative Republican/Tea Party can show to their 'low information voters' that they are 'doing something'. Its not a perfect system; and if your expecting such, you'll be waiting a very long time! This was your 'best shot' and its a total failure. You didn't bother to check for FACTS, just what the conservative talking heads were babbling about. Voter Fraud does not happen ANYWHERE remotely to the levels you have shown in your 'sources', as I showed with the FACTS!

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