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RE: Blame Employers Not The Mexicans - 7/20/2006 3:00:03 PM

Alumbrado

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As opposed to dodging the question? Providing an example that doesn't support your question isn't circular logic, BTW, it is called refutation.

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RE: Blame Employers Not The Mexicans - 7/20/2006 3:02:42 PM

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Dodging the question?
Well, is there a shortage of high school dropouts to do all those low-paying jobs?
If so it can be remedied very easily.

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RE: Blame Employers Not The Mexicans - 7/21/2006 2:01:18 PM

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The jobs will still be low paying jobs, and the employers will still be playing games with overtime, safety regs, and paying taxes, whether the employees are illegals or not.
Hence the thread title...it is the employers, not the illegals who dictate the work situation.

Maybe those living on the taxpayer's dime get to walk in and announce what they will and won't accept and stand for, but it doesn't work that way in those parts of the private sector...
You want the job, you take what they are offering, and you keep your mouth shut when you see something shady going on.
If crooked employers can't coerce non-illegal employees with threats of calling INS, they will coerce them in other ways, as the Food Lion video, and countless industrial disasters, and so forth, repeatedly prove.

There was a documentary out a few years ago, about steel mills in Alabama IIRC.
One was so crooked, it would rather kill off its workers than fix dangerous equipment, or follow safety regs.
It was cheaper to pay an $8K per violation OSHA fine than to slow production and save lives. They actually raised the wages to get workers, after too many locals were killed and maimed...care to guess who came in?

That's right, immigrant workers...legal or otherwise.

So real life sort of shoots a hole in your nice theory, doesn't it?

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RE: Blame Employers Not The Mexicans - 7/22/2006 12:11:35 PM

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The only reason that "real life" is shooting a hole in my "theory" as you put it is because *our government* is Derelict in it's Duty to enforce our laws!
Where else can you get a job and (not) do your job without being fired?

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RE: Blame Employers Not The Mexicans - 7/23/2006 1:06:47 AM

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Well, that is kind of the whole point...if the government just cracked down on illegal immigrants, the crooked employers would run their games on someone else, and if the government just kept employers from hiring illegal immigrants, the immigrants would do whatever they had to do to make the best out of their lot...either way, you've got problems.

Most of the furor today is over the illegal immigrants, and any real solution needs to address the fact that the employers (and politicians) are to blame as well.

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RE: Blame Employers Not The Mexicans - 7/23/2006 4:56:15 AM

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