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pissdoll -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 11:17:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444

One thing I do find curious tho, why did the judge not release him into his own community/county instead of dumping the guy in another county all together?



this is payback. we (la county) released him to norcal in 1979 and he immediately went on a rape spree up there. now they are "returning the favor" and "letting us" have him back.




angelikaJ -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 12:23:46 PM)

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He did his time, as all criminals have to do. At some point this means they will have to be released.



Ummmmm... Fuck, no.
Not all criminals have to be released.
There are life sentences without the possibility of parole.

And that is what he should have been given.




Darkfeather -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 1:11:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

My answer has nothing to do with the system. And yes I read the stupid story, but you didn't answer my questions. What, oh what would you, or can you do? The choices are pretty damn simple. Either kill him, or live with him. You can't pass him off onto someone else, because 1) he isn't some property or garbage you can just keep tossing around until it sticks somewhere, and 2) hes gone through the system. For better or worse, someone said he has served his time and gets out. You don't like that, run for office and change it. Otherwise, deal with the two choices you have at hand


To start with, Darkfeather, I'd invite you to bring that attitude problem of yours down to the dungeon section, but that's been done on another thread, and you lacked the stones to show up. Your character is clear to us.

My suggestion has been that he be housed in a trailer on the grounds of a state facility. That was done previously in California, with a serial killer who had to be released. It worked out.

If he was coming in next door, rather than across the valley from me, I'd be calling Linda Blair, and offering to give a good home to a couple of the pitbulls in her rescue facility. The training dummy would have a mustache.




To what "attitude" are you referring? Believe me, if you want to see me get indignant, I assure you I could make a truck driver blush. And as for your housing suggestion, are you insane??? You know he isn't the only rapist convicted then released in the US, right? The world? That would be a lot of trailer on state facilities. Or are you proposing that this guy is a special case? Please. Let me ask you this, mister calling Linda Blair... How well do you know the neighbors you have now? Any of them committed crimes in their past, any of them murdered, raped, shoplifted? If you knew what every single neighbor in your vicinity had in their closet, I would be more afraid of you my friend. The fact is, we don't know crap about most people we live with. The only way the people living next to that guy would even know he had been a prolific rapist was because of the controversy. That and its the law to disclose. But you don't have to disclose when a murderer gets paroled, an arsonist, etc. Would you have a problem living next to a guy who had burned down 40+ homes in the last 20 years? Don't answer, I already know it based on your "rapist" response. Fact is, he was released, he is being GPS monitored. If he offended, he would get picked up. But like Mr. Satyr said, I doubt the guy will even leave his house, for fear of getting pelted with eggs, rotten tomatoes, or small arms fire.
So your solution to the world's release of those who have lawfully served their time, is to ship them off to an island, ala Australia. First of all, you need to ask, why do we even put people in prison? Why bother serving time if you are just going to be forever accused of the crime you committed. So, is prison punitive, or rehabilitative? If it is simply punitive, to punish those who do wrong and then release them... Why not just kill them. You put a man in prison for murder, 20 years, then release him. Did he learn anything? That getting caught was bad. So then prison is rehabilitative. They serve their time but are tried to be persuaded not to re-offend. Either by counseling, work, faith, etc. So when they get paroled, the idea is not only have they paid the price for their crime, but they will choose not to again. But shit, I wouldn't want that dirty paroled rapist next to me right?
And as for having one live next to me, I could care less. If he re-offended he would get caught. If he lived out his life as a regular member of society, he won't. Either way its none of my business. Oh, and if I really have to spell it out, I also am for the death penalty so there would be no whining like this at the end. If they killed this guy in the first place, we wouldn't be having this conversation, correct?




Darkfeather -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 1:15:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

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He did his time, as all criminals have to do. At some point this means they will have to be released.



Ummmmm... Fuck, no.
Not all criminals have to be released.
There are life sentences without the possibility of parole.

And that is what he should have been given.


But he didn't. He got released. For whatever reason. So yes, all criminals get released, either by parole, appeals, pardons, or dying. But they all get out of prison.




Worldtravelerxo -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 1:37:57 PM)

My degrees are in psychology and it is proven sex offenders are not able to be rehabilitated.




TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 1:50:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather
are you proposing that this guy is a special case?



Well, duh. I'd swear you said you read the news report, but maybe you fibbed a little.

Linda Blair? She's one of a number of former/less busy Hollywood types with an animal rescue operation in these parts. Hers is heavily involved with pitbulls. If I was looking for a big pit to adopt, she has lots to choose from.

Here is the point that seems to be slipping past. His sentence, his release, the place he is moving into, these things are settled. Coulda, should, woulda. It's all moot.

You've answered the question, Darkfeather. You are just going to live with it, because you are only about you. Got it.




dcnovice -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:08:22 PM)

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Linda Blair? She's one of a number of former/less busy Hollywood types with an animal rescue operation in these parts.

Of Exorcist fame?




MasterAF13 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:25:36 PM)

Worldtravellerxo-it has been statistically proven that sex offenders have a lower recidivism rate than drug crimes, DUI, and arsonists. In PA someone pissing an alley is considered a sex offender and, by default, a child molester. Why isn't someone who gets a kid hooked on drugs for the rest of their lives forced to register? The whereabouts of sexually violent predators should be monitored. Chemical castration might even be an option. I'm not sure where you purchased your degree. They gave you bad information.




Worldtravelerxo -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:33:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterAF13

Worldtravellerxo-it has been statistically proven that sex offenders have a lower recidivism rate than drug crimes, DUI, and arsonists. In PA someone pissing an alley is considered a sex offender and, by default, a child molester. Why isn't someone who gets a kid hooked on drugs for the rest of their lives forced to register? The whereabouts of sexually violent predators should be monitored. Chemical castration might even be an option. I'm not sure where you purchased your degree. They gave you bad information.


My degrees, not degree come from great colleges in the Boston area. Chemical castration, which has been used, does not end the urge to offend. They use other means... It is documented and if you'd like I could send you several studies proving so. Just provide me a manner as to. As someone who worked in a crisis center prior to selling out (hey it doesn't pay well and I like my good life but I. Volunteer) I have a vast amount of experience in this field.




Darkfeather -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:38:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather
are you proposing that this guy is a special case?



Well, duh. I'd swear you said you read the news report, but maybe you fibbed a little.

Linda Blair? She's one of a number of former/less busy Hollywood types with an animal rescue operation in these parts. Hers is heavily involved with pitbulls. If I was looking for a big pit to adopt, she has lots to choose from.

Here is the point that seems to be slipping past. His sentence, his release, the place he is moving into, these things are settled. Coulda, should, woulda. It's all moot.

You've answered the question, Darkfeather. You are just going to live with it, because you are only about you. Got it.


No, I answered your question in that I don't whine about these things. I support killing those who offend in such manner, period. And I am not answering your questions because you aren't answering mine, see I can be petty as well. I told you already I read the stupid article, but so far the only "response" you somewhat gave to me was you'd put him in a trailer. So if you would stop trying to show who has the bigger dick in this, and oh I dunno answer my questions, maybe this thing can go somewhere. Otherwise I will leave you to your boarded up windows and trained pitbulls. And by the way, thanks for the reference, I had absolutely no idea who Linda Blair was [sm=ofcourse.gif]




Darkfeather -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo

My degrees are in psychology and it is proven sex offenders are not able to be rehabilitated.


So you also support killing them outright




MasterAF13 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:41:26 PM)

If what you posit is true, then all sex offenders would re-offend. If a sex offender does not re-offend after incarceration/treatment, is that person considered rehabilitated?




kdsub -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 2:49:29 PM)

We should start a petition and vote in a law that states the following:

All released violent sexual predators must take up residence next door to, if possible, or as close as reasonably possible to the parole board members or the psychiatrist that authorized their release for a minimum of two years,

Butch




smileforme50 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 3:01:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: smileforme50


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


My suggestion has been that he be housed in a trailer on the grounds of a state facility. That was done previously in California, with a serial killer who had to be released. It worked out.



If you house him on the grounds of a state facility.....what's the point of "releasing" him from prison to begin with? That's not releasing him at all.

This is an issue that irritates me because this happens because people have a terminal case of NIMBY. And to top it off, they don't want criminals released, but at the same time, they don't want to pay any taxes to pay for the prison system to be able to keep all these people locked up. You can't have it both ways folks.


sure there is a difference, he may be housed on the facility grounds (spending his nights there) but free to go anywhere for work or when he feels like it, unlike those that are locked up 24/7..

as far as nimby goes, have you looked at who lives in your area? how many designated sex offenders live there? You cant get away from them, they are everywhere!.. even the safest community I know of (in SoCal) is gated & guarded 24/7, has 10,000 resident and there are 3 registered sex offenders living there in that community...

One thing I do find curious tho, why did the judge not release him into his own community/county instead of dumping the guy in another county all together? I am guessing he didnt want to face the wrath his community/county would lay on him.. [&:]


"sure there is a difference, he may be housed on the facility grounds (spending his nights there) but free to go anywhere for work or when he feels like it, unlike those that are locked up 24/7.. '

But he will still be out of prison and able to sexually assault someone....and then what is to prevent him from going on the lam and a rape rampage across the country? So....there really is no difference. He's still outstide the prison walls and able to rape again.




Worldtravelerxo -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 3:22:17 PM)

Those who will reoffend will always be a threat. Look into the theory of what we call " shadow play" people with a healthy outlet for their darker desires end up healthier. Those who do not, it manifests itself in bad ways. See kink helps us be well adjusted 😉




Darkfeather -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 4:14:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo

Those who will reoffend will always be a threat. Look into the theory of what we call " shadow play" people with a healthy outlet for their darker desires end up healthier. Those who do not, it manifests itself in bad ways. See kink helps us be well adjusted 😉


Avoiding the question. If you can't rehabilitate repeat offenders as you say, then you are all for the death penalty, correct? Or are you suggesting that we the tax payers support every repeat offender for life. That is what life without parole means yanno... 3 square meals a day, a warm bed to sleep in, reading materials, tv, can get educated, learn a trade. All at our expense. So what is worse, having a repeat sex offender living in your neighborhood, having a repeat sex offender living in the prison system on our dime indefinitely, or killing him outright? I notice only a very few have come out and said, yes I support killing these people, or no I don't. Why, because those who don't support the death penalty can't really rationalize this situation right here. As long as you support locking up dangerous criminals, with the chance that they will rehabilitate, then you have no leg to stand on when they get out and have to live somewhere




Worldtravelerxo -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 4:19:16 PM)

Ugh no we can't "fix" them if that is what you wanted. They can't be fixed its not that easy.




TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 4:28:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Linda Blair? She's one of a number of former/less busy Hollywood types with an animal rescue operation in these parts.

Of Exorcist fame?



The very same. If I ever wind up getting a pit/mastiff from her, I'm going to name it Pazuzu.




twoholewonder -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 4:49:05 PM)

Serial rapists don't rehabilitate. Those whom have proven themselves time and again capable of interfering with the privacy and security of others should be put to death. I wouldn't want them living next to me, not in the same apartment complex, not even in the same neighborhood. Would you want this person living next door to you and your young children? Even next to your grown children? Rapists take away people's ability to hold their heads up, go out into the world, and face things head on. They need to be put down, swiftly.




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 5:24:59 PM)

It doesn't surprise me that a man who has violently raped 40-100 women, targeting mothers with little kids at home at the time the rape took place...would be released from prison time and time again.

I wish these violent sex offenders would target judges (not their female family members nor their children, but the judges themselves), parole board members, congressmen, etc., instead. I imagine that laws would soon be passed to keep these predators in jail until they died.






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