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Darkfeather -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 6:14:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo Ugh no we can't "fix" them if that is what you wanted. They can't be fixed its not that easy. Ok, obviously you missed the three times in this thread where I say I am for the death penalty in such cases [sm=Groaner.gif]. Lets try it this way... You are a psychologist, I take it from the numerous degrees claimed. What would you do with them? According to you, they can't be rehabilitated, and locking them up just to rot in a room for 20 years is ridiculous. So what would you do, what is your suggestion on how we deal with criminals?

TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 6:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia I imagine that laws would soon be passed to keep these predators in jail until they died. Such laws have been passed. Hubbart committed his crimes before that happened. If he is convicted of another, he would stay incarcerated for the rest of his life for it.

dcnovice -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 6:34:25 PM)
quote: The very same. If I ever wind up getting a pit/mastiff from her, I'm going to name it Pazuzu. Cool. I'd always kinda wondered what happened to her. The Exorcist was filmed at Georgetown, so they show it every year during freshman orientation. And the crew teams--better folk than I--actually run up the Exorcist steps as part of their practices.

TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 7:04:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Cool. I'd always kinda wondered what happened to her. The theater was running a series of "classics on the big screen" nights, and she came out to the showing for The Exorcist. She mostly talked about her dogs, and the rescue. She's passionate about it.

tj444 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 7:08:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smileforme50 quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: smileforme50 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic My suggestion has been that he be housed in a trailer on the grounds of a state facility. That was done previously in California, with a serial killer who had to be released. It worked out. If you house him on the grounds of a state facility.....what's the point of "releasing" him from prison to begin with? That's not releasing him at all. This is an issue that irritates me because this happens because people have a terminal case of NIMBY. And to top it off, they don't want criminals released, but at the same time, they don't want to pay any taxes to pay for the prison system to be able to keep all these people locked up. You can't have it both ways folks. sure there is a difference, he may be housed on the facility grounds (spending his nights there) but free to go anywhere for work or when he feels like it, unlike those that are locked up 24/7.. as far as nimby goes, have you looked at who lives in your area? how many designated sex offenders live there? You cant get away from them, they are everywhere!.. even the safest community I know of (in SoCal) is gated & guarded 24/7, has 10,000 resident and there are 3 registered sex offenders living there in that community... One thing I do find curious tho, why did the judge not release him into his own community/county instead of dumping the guy in another county all together? I am guessing he didnt want to face the wrath his community/county would lay on him.. [&:] "sure there is a difference, he may be housed on the facility grounds (spending his nights there) but free to go anywhere for work or when he feels like it, unlike those that are locked up 24/7.. ' But he will still be out of prison and able to sexually assault someone....and then what is to prevent him from going on the lam and a rape rampage across the country? So....there really is no difference. He's still outstide the prison walls and able to rape again. well Captain Obvious.. of course when he is released, he may very well assault someone.. but that wasn't what you said.. You said- "If you house him on the grounds of a state facility.....what's the point of "releasing" him from prison to begin with? That's not releasing him at all.* "* I disagreed with your opinion. Imo there is not much difference between being housed on the grounds of a facility and the rental in the country he is being released into, in both cases he would be free to do whatever he wanted (unless there are restrictions attached to his release)..

TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 7:30:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Imo there is not much difference between being housed on the grounds of a facility and the rental in the country he is being released into, I think you are wrong about that, tj. The house is on a remote 5 acre parcel, but it is clustered with other such homes. He'll have immediate neighbors. Not so on state grounds. I think that is a big difference.

tj444 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 7:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Imo there is not much difference between being housed on the grounds of a facility and the rental in the country he is being released into, I think you are wrong about that, tj. The house is on a remote 5 acre parcel, but it is clustered with other such homes. He'll have immediate neighbors. Not so on state grounds. I think that is a big difference. not really, in both cases he would have to leave where he is living to find a victim, if he is determined to attack again, then distance would not be a problem for him, he would just travel until he found one.. And people around his 5 acre parcel know who he is, what he looks like, at least some will be armed, etc, it is not logical that he would look so close to home for his next victim.. If you were a serial rapist wouldn't you go much further afield to find unaware victims?

TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 7:55:20 PM)
That might be how a rational mind would look at it, tj, but Hubbart doesn't meet that classification. If he is going to blow a seam in the pshrinks braintailoring right off the bat, he may just grab the first potential victim he sees. That's what happened the first time he was "cured."

tj444 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 8:04:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic That might be how a rational mind would look at it, tj, but Hubbart doesn't meet that classification. If he is going to blow a seam in the pshrinks braintailoring right off the bat, he may just grab the first potential victim he sees. That's what happened the first time he was "cured." I doubt that his neighbors or victim that time knew who he was or that he was a rapist, this time they all know.. imo, if he does try to grab one of his neighbors he will be in for a fight and he knows it.. From the article, he was a rational attacker, he sized up his potential victims, looking for kids toys in the yard, looking for women with children, looking for open garage doors, etc.. so I doubt he will attempt anything in his area.. and I expect he knows if he is caught this time he is in jail for life.. which means he will want a victim that lives outside his area, one that doesn't know who he is, etc..

sloguy02246 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/24/2014 10:03:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darkfeather How well do you know the neighbors you have now? Any of them committed crimes in their past, any of them murdered, raped, shoplifted? If you knew what every single neighbor in your vicinity had in their closet, I would be more afraid of you my friend. The fact is, we don't know crap about most people we live with. The only way the people living next to that guy would even know he had been a prolific rapist was because of the controversy. Try familywatchdog.us. You can put in your home address and a map will appear of your area with dots showing the location of convicted offenders living near you. If you then click on a dot, it will show the person, their address, and the crime for which they were convicted.

Worldtravelerxo -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 5:09:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darkfeather quote: ORIGINAL: Worldtravelerxo Ugh no we can't "fix" them if that is what you wanted. They can't be fixed its not that easy. Ok, obviously you missed the three times in this thread where I say I am for the death penalty in such cases [sm=Groaner.gif]. Lets try it this way... You are a psychologist, I take it from the numerous degrees claimed. What would you do with them? According to you, they can't be rehabilitated, and locking them up just to rot in a room for 20 years is ridiculous. So what would you do, what is your suggestion on how we deal with criminals? I was actually avoiding the question, you're correct. I was having some bourbon and didn't feel like debating the death penalty on a Saturday night.. So as to your point I do believe they should be locked up or in states that have it depending on the degree of crime receive the death penalty. The death penalty is something I have a difficult time accepting but I understand why in some cases it may be in the cards. For the record after working in psych field I sold out and took a more cushy lighter job that wasn't emotionally tolling.

TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 8:59:27 AM)
That's all very sensible, tj, but if I was going to be sharing a fence with him, there would be several big dogs on my side of it.

TheHeretic -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 9:43:31 AM)
Just in the interest of honest full disclosure, if I knew this guy was going to be moving in on the other side of my fence, there is also a fair chance I'd make appropriate arrangements for that house to burn to the ground, before he ever showed up. We aren't talking about someone who did very bad things a long time ago. This is someone who is, himself, a very bad thing.

BecomingV -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 11:31:13 AM)
Heretic, interesting post. 1) Talk about it with the neighborhood association in advance, if possible. Create a plan to both welcome the guy and to clearly set forth boundaries. Plan to live in the community with this guy as a good neighbor. Maybe he will be, if given role models and a chance to be better. Maybe not, but I don't control that part, only my part. How the guy responds to the invitation will be informative, at least. Um, see the film, "The Woodsman." It's about a child molester who is released and it really looks at how "healthy people" either contribute to the attempt to live harmlessly, or not. http://www.primewire.ag/watch-12384-The-Woodsman ETA ^^^ the link to watch the film online free. 2) Get political and change things. IMO, sexual predators do not have ANY medical or psychological solutions to change their urges, compulsions or addictions. Nothing currently works. I have a clear and firm belief that this is one of those, "but for the grace of God, there go I" conditions. So, despite the current lack of effective options, I do not support the "kill them all" perspective. Until effective treatment options are discovered, and proven, I think it serves society and the predator, to be locked up. Where's the money? Where's the space? Oh, get rid of that pesky drug war and let nonviolent offenders OUT. Before Reagan, there were many, many mental health institutions. I'd bring them back and yes, keep sexual predators there forever. I don't mean horror shops. I mean a place in which they can be studied, tested and experimented on (ethically). Let them work from home using computers, or trades workshops or for the facility itself. While this ticks off those who feel "bad people" shouldn't get free housing, internet, etc..., if it keeps us all safer, why not? And, if they are allowed to make a decent wage, while being locked up, give them bills to pay. What might work, but is not likely allowed, is giving them virtual porn to play with, featuring whatever their "prey" is. See if that offers release from compulsion. The hard wiring doesn't change, but perhaps the desire to act on humans can be lessened, making resisting the urge more manageable. Seems extreme to indulge their desires, but the goal is to protect humanity from these aberrant members. I think it's time to explore new avenues of protection. So, sexual predators, regardless of their "prey of choice," need to be controlled until they can control themselves. I don't think it is fair to anyone to release a person who hasn't a hope of changing. Some posts on this thread seem to reflect confusion on this very basic point: Sexual predators are already everywhere. What is being discussed here is the difference between who was caught and convicted versus the ones who we shake hands with, work with and maybe even call, "spouse." Answer this question, "If a person came to you and said, "I feel a strong desire to (rape/molest) someone, can you help me?", what would you be able to do or say to help them deal with a feeling they don't want to act upon?

tj444 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 12:06:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic That's all very sensible, tj, but if I was going to be sharing a fence with him, there would be several big dogs on my side of it. yes, I can understand that.. and installing cameras, as tall as fence as allowed, exterior perimeter alarm, a taser or two, put safety film on the windows, beef up the door & frame & locks, etc etc.. I am not saying people shouldn't take measures to make themselves less at risk, not just from this guy but anyone that might do them harm.. I sorta doubt he is the only bad guy in the area.. And certainly there is the risk that he might attack someone in his area but he would be pretty stupid to do that, since he would be the first person the cops would visit, don't ya think? And yeah, I expect the landlord that he was supposed to go to prior to this place likely was told to make sure he was fully insured! I expect the "risk" outweighed the rent he was going to get and that's why he changed his mind.. When I was in WA state, I was renting a room in a house on a small acreage and there was a registered sex offender "next door".. I never saw whoever it was that lived there and never had any problems.. the 5 acres will be a buffer for both him and his neighbors.. which perhaps the previous rental didn't have..

slavekate80 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 9:47:03 PM)
I'd install an alarm system and then go about my business. He's not allowed to come onto my property without permission anyway, and the alarms will alert me if there's an intruder. I usually keep to myself and don't deal with the neighbors much. If I ever had to talk to him, I'd try to work something into the conversation about going to the shooting range with my sister, or something like that, so I don't seem like a very easy mark. There are over 10,000 people living in my town. It's unlikely that none of them are rotten, but not much happens here. The police don't have much to do and there's a quick response time; I imagine most troublemakers either move out or commit their big crimes elsewhere, where the police are busier and might not get there as fast. I keep my doors locked and stay alert if I'm outside after dark, but I'm not going to live in fear.

CobaltRose -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/25/2014 10:06:29 PM)
I say hi, then politely tell them to never mess with me or anyone i care about or else it will be ME going to jail.

MasterAF13 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/26/2014 4:58:31 AM)
BecomingV has the gist of the matter. This guy is one bad apple. I believe that somewhere between 80-90% of sexual assaults go unreported. Especially those that are familial. I used to sell doors and windows. People would ask me if it was a strong door. My reply was, "How many windows do you have ?" Someone bent on committing a crime is going to do so. Unfortunately the cali legislature didn't make the law retroactive. Therfore any future victims, if any, are on their hands.

tj444 -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/26/2014 6:17:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterAF13 I used to sell doors and windows. People would ask me if it was a strong door. My reply was, "How many windows do you have ?" from what I have read/seen, its not the door that's the weak link, its the door frame that is.. an intruder that kicks at a door will tend to force the frame to break, that's why some people put in a metal thingie to make the frame stronger.. but most locks are easily picked so you don't need to be the Incredible Hulk to "break in" thru a door, & anyone can easily make a bump key & be inside in a matter of seconds.. as far as windows go, safety film can be bought and put on those, its even a DIY job if you are up for that.. There are lots of things people can do to create levels of protection.. and you don't need to spend mega bucks for a lot of it, especially if you are handy & willing to diy..

thompsonx -> RE: A rapist moving in next door (5/26/2014 12:29:12 PM)
ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To start with, Darkfeather, I'd invite you to bring that attitude problem of yours down to the dungeon section, but that's been done on another thread, and you lacked the stones to show up. Your character is clear to us. It is hard to imagine how anyone could turn down an invitation to have someone be rude to them.

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