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My god ken. Is that what you drew from the conversation? I apologize to you. I thought I was dealing with someone who had at least average intelligence. You're still a child. I promise I won't take any more shots at you.

Look you are the one who declared all of science a failure because you don't understand how crystals grow. You might want to run along now.

Oh ken you are so fascinating. A true insight into the liberal mind. Now I remember ken that you are a good boy of very limited intelligence and that I've promised you I won't take any more shots at you because it's just not nice to do that to a literal moron. But I did say good ken I'd help you keep things straight when they got all confusing for you.


Remember, I put up science I was trained in and you couldn't even google it to understand. I gave you some very good examples of why worshipping climate change is not reasonable. And you understood for a very brief time and went away in shame and didn't bother the big people talking.

Now you're all confused about that and I understand. But, still dear boy, you shouldn't bother the adults talking.


On the brighter side dear boy, you are such a classic example of the thought process of a liberal that all the liberals here should hold you in esteem. I'm sure they do.

Moron. You demanded that I recite the entire metabolic pathway from memory. You can't. I put up the basic one and you whined. If you want the entire thing you will have to go get a textbook, I'm sure you don't actually know it.

Now about why you felt it was reasonable to dismiss all of science because you failed to understand crystal growth?

Oh good job boy. Two days ago you were just flustered about somebody asking you about your real science understanding and you quit talking....err....blustering. Now after two days of really hard thinking you've come up with a good sounding bluster that all of your little friends will giggle with you about.

It is so fascinating watching a liberal mind.

I didn't quit anything you fucking idiot. What the fuck are you going on about?

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Now now ken, I know it's confusing. Don't be upset when you're confused. Remember, you can come back two days from now with a really good zinger n

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It is so fascinating watching a liberal mind.

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But doesn't matter, now that you've convinced me that Muslims are and always have been backwards scientific idiots.

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Incidentally, your quote is from a collection of various essays, interviews, and speeches by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson focusing on the developing role of NASA in the years to come. Not exactly a go-to source on Islamic science.

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As already noted, the change took time, and by the 17th century, the turn was to traditional science away from experimental science.

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Those same number-phobic dudes, by the way, advanced algebra from its Babylonian roots. The Persian mathematician Omar Khayyam is credited with identifying the foundations of algebraic geometry and found the general geometric solution of the cubic equation. Another Persian mathematician, Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī, found algebraic and numerical solutions to various cases of cubic equations. He also developed the concept of a function. The Indian mathematicians Mahavira and Bhaskara II, the Persian mathematician Al-Karaji,and the Chinese mathematician Zhu Shijie, solved various cases of cubic, quartic, quintic and higher-order polynomial equations using numerical methods.

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Meanwhile, in the modern west, half the population continues its century old campaign to deny science . . .

Glad we're the smart ones!

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It is so fascinating watching a liberal mind.

Sorry, but I know a lot of liberals and they don't run around puffing themselves up and calling anyone who has a different opinion a moron. They don't giggle like little schoolgirls and make bathroom jokes when pressed to back up their bullshit. That's an immature mind that just happens to be liberal.


Other than that, great to have to you back. [8D]

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Do you know how much evidence there is for the age of the universe and inflation including the supraluminal inflation? Clearly more than you can understand?
for instance
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2014-05

Yeah, and an image of Jesus once appeared on a grilled cheese sandwich.

Inflation was invented to rescue the Big Bang theory from it's failed predictions of the age of the Universe. And the last time something was claimed to prove the Big Bang, the theory's predictions for the temperature of the CMB turned out to be wrong yet again. The actual observed value matched Erhard Regener's 1933 calculation of the temperature of intergalactic space, which doesn't require a Big Bang.

Now we have another image of Jesus on a grilled cheese. So what?

They've definitely seen something; they've detected this twisty pattern in the cosmic microwave background. But deciding whether it's due to gravitational waves produced in the early universe or due to some source in the foreground that's between us and where the microwave background was emitted, that's a key issue.

There are lots of things in the foreground that could produce a similar twisty pattern. And many of those effects are larger than the gravitational wave effect they're trying to detect... It's not easy to put the BICEP2 results together with the earlier Planck and WMAP results and make everything fit -- they don't line up all that well. If you try, you end up with rather strange and contorted models. These ugly models don't give you a lot of confidence in inflation at all...

One of the problems with inflation is that it really doesn't make predictions; it is so flexible that it is not falsifiable. You're always going to be able to change parameters and add degrees of freedom such that it can fit any combination of data no matter what is observed. ~Paul Steinhardt, Albert Einstein Professor in Science, Director Princeton Center for Theoretical Science, Princeton University.

Some day we'll know, but right now we don't.

Get used to it.

K.

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They've definitely seen something; they've detected this twisty pattern in the cosmic microwave background. But deciding whether it's due to gravitational waves produced in the early universe or due to some source in the foreground that's between us and where the microwave background was emitted, that's a key issue. There are lots of things in the foreground that could produce a similar twisty pattern. And many of those effects are larger than the gravitational wave effect they're trying to detect. So it's important that they understand those foregrounds very thoroughly. It's an exciting time in the sense that we now have instruments that can make this measurement. But whether the measurement has really been made, whether one can really claim victory at this point, is still uncertain in my view.

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I would say that it depends upon what data you want to trust. It's not easy to put the BICEP2 results together with the earlier Planck and WMAP results and make everything fit — they don't line up all that well. If you try, you end up with rather strange and contorted models. These ugly models don't give you a lot of confidence in inflation at all. Other theorists are leaning toward simpler models, but that requires not taking all of the experimental results seriously. Depending on which results you ignore, you're driven toward different models.

My own view is a little bit different still. One of the problems with inflation is that it really doesn't make predictions; it is so flexible that it is not falsifiable. You're always going to be able to change parameters and add degrees of freedom such that it can fit any combination of data no matter what is observed. This is a fundamental problem. A theory that is not falsifiable is not scientifically meaningful.

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Oh cool. I'm ordering the book.

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The full quotation often means something quite different as we shall see.

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One of the problems with inflation is that it really doesn't make predictions; it is so flexible that it is not falsifiable. You're always going to be able to change parameters and add degrees of freedom such that it can fit any combination of data no matter what is observed. This is a fundamental problem. A theory that is not falsifiable is not scientifically meaningful.

So the professor was actually discussing multiple models of inflation not dismissing the concept entirely as Kirata tried to claim. This was a classic quote mine which is a classic tactic by liars.

This may help clarify both his statement and yours.

K.

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I sense you were trying to be derogatory...which is your usual intellectual output.

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I sense you were trying to be derogatory...which is your usual intellectual output.

you really need to read your own posts over the last couple of days before you start accusing people of being derogatory

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