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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 3:17:43 AM

irishbynature

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Can any of you describe the overwhelming screaming need that is both physical and mental to feel your owner or Dom/Domme whip or hurt you in some fashion?

Can you put into words how it makes you feel? I do not mean the subspace or the sexual response; i mean the deeper seated sometimes unfathomable emotive response.

Do you find afterwards that is makes you softer, more pliable, does it somehow intensify your feelings of love or submission?

If it does can you explain why and how?

Have any of the dominants out there seen this desire in their subs/slaves and the deepening in their responsivenessor their submission or service afterwards?

For me, it's more mental....giving up control trips my trigger and the total awareness that He can/will trip that trigger. Pain is not what I seek in getting a spanking...a nice sting gets in my head and reminds me that I am not in control.

The deeper emotional response? It makes me feel completely cared for because it is done as a reward for my submission. He's doing this to please me, and Himself but I feel more bonded emotionally because a need is being met. I feel softer, and actually, more beautiful...then, my desire to submit intensifies.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 3:36:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

For me, it's more mental....giving up control trips my trigger and the total awareness that He can/will trip that trigger.
I feel softer, and actually, more beautiful...then, my desire to submit intensifies.

Yet again another aspect of the emotional response to be whipped. Thank you also, it seems we all view and value different aspects of the TPE that occurs when we are being put under pain by our respective dominants and yet we all also share so much of the same reasons and reactions to this.

I too feel that internal softening and like many others that increased submissiveness.

Slipstreme, i wish to thank you especially for adding a switch's point of view and apologize for neglecting to add switches to the opening invitation to post. I must honestly state i have forgotten before, perhaps because i truly do comprehend the nature of a switch. Yet i always read your posts which are thoughtful and well written.

And Bita your response as expected was intense and expressed in detail that fire and passion most of us cannot find the words to express.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 4:10:39 AM

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it takes me up, and down. i know that doesn't make sense at all, but depending on the stimulus it can drive me absolutely wild, or bring me to a completely pliable euphoric submissive state. He knows it and does what He needs to do to take me where He wants me.

i am not into being beaten, but the correct stimulus at the correct times are absolutely incredible. it blocks out the problems and every day crap that puts my head into a whirl, where only Sab and i exist. its an emotional release and high as well as a physical one.

this is a pretty crap description i suppose because even when Sab asks me "where did you go then?", i look at Him blankly, because i have no idea, i just went.. and released my mind, my tensions. its like waking up and having every trouble and problem in your life just gone. poof.

i know this is probably worded really badly, but hopefully it comes across a little.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 4:48:15 AM

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Sometimes you get caught up in everyday things....life is busy, work is busy, i get home and i'm busy taking care of His home. When He did have the opportunity to just thrash the living hell out of me, there is only one thing that always comes to mind.........even now. It put's me right back where i need to be...more importantly, it puts me back where He needs me to be.
I know that might not be very in-depth.....but honestly, this is exactly how i feel. I have gotten to the point many times that i have begged for Thorns to just beat me. I get really scattered at work, i loose focus, i get back into the house and i am in full bitch mode from the day. God i miss this Man. I need more coffee.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 6:01:43 AM

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Fast Reply:

Wow, this was a really good question...what great answers!

This reminds me; long ago, I read a book called Positive Addiction by Glasser, I believe. It mentioned someone doing studies on the brains of athletes. The scientist was shocked to find so many of the brains looking surprisingly like those of heroin addicts! With more research, it was discovered that the brain produces a chemical identical to what happens when the body is flooded with heroin…some sort of ‘good feeling’ hormone or something; perhaps not unlike the Oxytocin that SusanofO mentioned? Dang, I read this book nearly 30 years ago and don’t have it handy now.

The point is, apparently doing ‘ritual’ things like running or bicycling…where one pushes the body, this chemical (whatever it is) is released so pain is ignored. (He mentioned they enter a ‘Zone’, why would it be different from subspace?) It’s been discovered that serious athletes develop an addiction to this natural chemical their body produces and actually go through withdrawal when not able to run or bike for some period of time; they miss their ‘Zone-time’. Glasser called this Positive Addiction.

It doesn’t seem difficult to make the leap to beatings and pain and subspace and craving it all when we haven’t had it in awhile, does it?

I wonder…
beverly

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 6:05:12 AM

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I'll have to go check out that book. I can tell you it is a chemical soup that our bodies produce that we become addicted to, endorphins and adrenaline being the most prominent.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 6:42:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bearlee

Fast Reply:

Wow, this was a really good question...what great answers!

This reminds me; long ago, I read a book called Positive Addiction by Glasser, I believe. It mentioned someone doing studies on the brains of athletes. The scientist was shocked to find so many of the brains looking surprisingly like those of heroin addicts! With more research, it was discovered that the brain produces a chemical identical to what happens when the body is flooded with heroin…some sort of ‘good feeling’ hormone or something; perhaps not unlike the Oxytocin that SusanofO mentioned? Dang, I read this book nearly 30 years ago and don’t have it handy now.

The point is, apparently doing ‘ritual’ things like running or bicycling…where one pushes the body, this chemical (whatever it is) is released so pain is ignored. (He mentioned they enter a ‘Zone’, why would it be different from subspace?) It’s been discovered that serious athletes develop an addiction to this natural chemical their body produces and actually go through withdrawal when not able to run or bike for some period of time; they miss their ‘Zone-time’. Glasser called this Positive Addiction.

It doesn’t seem difficult to make the leap to beatings and pain and subspace and craving it all when we haven’t had it in awhile, does it?

I wonder…
beverly

Iv'e stated this many times, people get upset , and try to shoot me down over it.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 7:51:20 AM

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In Glasser's "Positive Addiction" he contended that it is possible to replace "negative" addiction with "positive" addiction. He focused on activities that stimulate the production of the bodies natural endorphins and enkephalins...most notably running. These chemicals, when produced, create the production of endorphine and dopamine, which are morphine-like chemicals. Our bodies produce these chemicals at some level on a constant basis...they are what keeps us feeling "good" and "normal". The body can also be "pushed" to manufacture endorphine and dopmaine in increased levels from a variety of activities that stimulate these pleasure centers of the brain....running or exercise, pain, music, increasing one's self esteem and even study of religious beliefs, just to name a few.

The chemical that is produced in the brains of heroin addicts, alcholics and other drug addicts is not a "natural" chemical in that it can only be produced in the bodies of people who have a genetic "defect" that causes a process to occur within their liver when metabolizing specific ingested chemicals. Thus the "Disease Concept" of addiction versus social disorder. This chemical is also a morphine-like substance...but far more potent and addictive than morphine or endorphins. It is called tetrahydroisoquiniline or THIQ for short. It is a sticky, sap-like substance that coats the dopamine receptors of the brain and impedes the function of those receptors and the production and utilization of the bodies natural endorphins.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 1:29:08 PM

twicehappy

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Whoa, erin you have your reserchers cap on today, thank you.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 2:32:22 PM

mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Whoa, erin you have your reserchers cap on today, thank you.

LOL....I wish that were true and I could take credit for hours of searching for those answers....but actually it's just amongst the stuff floating around in my brain that is leftover from many years as a substance abuse counselor. It did give me a pretty fair understanding of endorphins and how they work though...so I guess it's not all bad.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 5:18:34 PM

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Can any of you describe the overwhelming screaming need that is both physical and mental to feel your owner or Dom/Domme whip or hurt you in some fashion?

Yes I do. And Mster has only done any discipline the way I think it should be done 1 time and it wasn't expected. I want some form of punishment or pain all thetime and He don't do it.

Can you put into words how it makes you feel?

More soft, softer spoken, feel like I "want to submit", it is hard to explain. And yes it intensifies my submission. But quickly subsides when there is no discipline.

If it does can you explain why and how?

Because He is being the strong Dominant He should be and that I want Him to be. I crave it.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 10:45:53 PM

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I have absalutly no idea

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/11/2006 11:09:28 PM

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I have the need to feel it just once with someone I am with.... tho I dont get punished often with pain ... I feel like I need to be broken once ... I guess kinda like a horse ... doesnt take away the spirit It just puts me in the right pecking order so to speak ... No I dont want to have to misbehave to feel it ... because well that just isnt right ... I just want to ask to feel it .. and once .... is enough where that is concerned because I am truly not into pain

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/12/2006 11:51:58 AM

twicehappy

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sabswife

i know this is probably worded really badly, but hopefully it comes across a little.

No worrys, putting this need/want and why you want it; what happens deep inside yourself when it happens and an apt description of the positive aftermath is what i was looking for. Perhaps some of the posts on this thread will help you to articulate these emotions as well as helping me find a description of them.

I know exactly what you are trying to say, like i said earlier in this thread, one sub explaining it to another is simple, we KNOW what it does to us. Explaining it to one who is not a sub or slave is the difficulty.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/12/2006 2:56:54 PM

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I dont feel I understand what you're asking here. Emotional or physical pain? Physical pain would be easier for me to deal with for sure. Its based on the body, Can I take it? Can I take it? Its a matter of bearing a load.

Emotional pain is another story. Its VERY damaging to my body. I wont even bore you with the details of how sick it makes me. I try to avoid it at all costs. Seriously. I'd like to be around for a while longer. Emotional pain is what will kill me in the end. It's like, I hear a lot of talk about the fun of pain. Well the reality of dying from emotional pain really isnt worth it.

In a way, if I could trade one for the other I would. No more emotional pain in life. I could live past 100 that way. It makes me sad sometimes that Ive had to suffer so. I block emotional pain when I can. This whole BDSM sometimes really seems like playtime when I think about what emotional pain can do to a persons soul. Absolutely.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/13/2006 4:23:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: sophia37

I dont feel I understand what you're asking here. Emotional or physical pain?

quote:

Original twicehappy

Can any of you describe the overwhelming screaming need that is both physical and mental to feel your owner or Dom/Domme whip or hurt you in some fashion?

I copied part of my opening post for you here. It is about physical pain and the emotional responses involved.

I do agree with you about the emotional pain but bdsm if done improperly due to the mental aspects of wiitwd can be the cause of long term deep seated emotional pain as well.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/13/2006 4:20:00 PM

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It isn’t a need for me, which is a good thing given our present circumstances. The last time we played was in early May and we will not get to play again until late November or Christmas, so it is good that it is only a want. Though waiting that long is going to make the stress more difficult to manage.

Depending on the type of play, it can do many different things. When the play is all about me enduring whatever he wants to inflict on me, I am emotionally, mentally and physically drained afterwards. Subspace is rare for me, but it can take days to get my energy back after this type of play. When he encourages me to fight back and the play becomes very aggressive for us both, I am energized. My energy level goes way up, I am more focused, more carefree, lighter of heart and my thought process is much sharper. This change will last for days or even weeks. Of course immediately afterwards, I am horny as hell.

Play is generally a bonding experience between us. The edges are often pushed and I always come away from it reaffirming that he will not harm me. It can be a great stress reliever for me. I am a very reserved and I keep a tight rein on my emotions. In play I let all that go and just be whatever he wants from me. I can relieve the stress in other ways, but play will do it much more efficiently and have a more lasting effect.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/14/2006 9:58:54 AM

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thank you for the welcome twicehappy, *ss* my sis (kyra) and our Lord do post more then me. *grins* i tend to be quiet on written forums.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/14/2006 10:00:56 AM

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You are more than welcome, in our house i think Jewel wins, the me followed by Scooter. We hope to see more of you.

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RE: Pain and emotional responses in subs/slaves. - 7/14/2006 10:08:22 AM

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Okay, now Im gonna look like some kind of Mist Family groupie but I have to tell you that your new pic is just as fabulous as kyra's.
What's Knight been feeding you two and where can I get some?

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