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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 10:00:42 AM   
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BitYakin, no offence meant - it's just that your posts are generally so simple that nobody knows what to say to you in reply. Do you think you might try to weigh and balance things a little before commenting? I think it might help.



Not sure how it works on your side of the pond, but generally over here when someone starts a sentence with "no offence" you can be pretty sure what they are about to say will be offensive. But somehow that's supposed to excuse the bs that's about to come out of their mouth. They seem to think adding "no offence" will make them look like less of an asshat and it doesn't.


No, over here it means, 'I'm sorry, but I have to be blunt'. And I did have to be blunt, because BY's comments were just too basic, prejudiced and downright wrong for me to be able to have any kind of useful conversation with him about them.

I hope that clears that up for you, THB.


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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 10:08:39 AM   
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A fine difference in the American "English" and English "English" Peon


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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 10:13:46 AM   
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Another way to put it is, 'This is the politest you'll get from me. Don't push your luck.' Sigh. Oh well.

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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 11:48:55 AM   
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BitYakin, no offence meant - it's just that your posts are generally so simple that nobody knows what to say to you in reply. Do you think you might try to weigh and balance things a little before commenting? I think it might help.



Not sure how it works on your side of the pond, but generally over here when someone starts a sentence with "no offence" you can be pretty sure what they are about to say will be offensive. But somehow that's supposed to excuse the bs that's about to come out of their mouth. They seem to think adding "no offence" will make them look like less of an asshat and it doesn't.


No, over here it means, 'I'm sorry, but I have to be blunt'. And I did have to be blunt, because BY's comments were just too basic, prejudiced and downright wrong for me to be able to have any kind of useful conversation with him about them.

I hope that clears that up for you, THB.



I'll keep in mind that saying you didn't want to be rude excuses you from doing it in the future...
that must be a English thing
maybe you are just so used to thinking you are superior that the rest of us should just assume you'll be rude and offensive and not take offense by it, another one of those "I WAS BORN THAT WAY THINGS"

as for my comments being basic, why yes yes they are. and for most people, BASIC and SIMPLE tends to mean they are correct. but prejudiced, sorry no not in the least. see there is where your argument falls apart, you ASSUME, that any and everyone who doesn't see things YOUR WAY must be PREJUDICED, therefor you can just hand wave away anything anyone says as STUPID


what I actually think is, that since its SO BASIC, you cannot refute it, so your only recourse is to claim its STUPID!

getting back to the prejudice thing, no I am not, not in the tiniest way, but I take the stance I do because I don't agree with BANNING something because one group doesn't LIKE IT


what is anti gun people say, if doing it saves just ONE LIFE then its worth it, well the reverse is also true, if this therapy or some form of it allows some percentage the hope of what they perceive as a better life then its worth it too

I can even see the dilemma with using it on minors who would have no choice in the matter...

perhaps instead of an out right ban a compromise similar to abortion could be installed where when its to be used on a minor parental consent isn't required, or the reverse in this case, where parents cannot force it on a child who doesn't want it

but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO you want to ban it outright so even informed adults who may actually WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY aren't ALLOWED TO

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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 12:27:11 PM   
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as for my comments being basic, why yes yes they are. and for most people, BASIC and SIMPLE tends to mean they are correct. but prejudiced, sorry no not in the least. see there is where your argument falls apart, you ASSUME, that any and everyone who doesn't see things YOUR WAY must be PREJUDICED, therefor you can just hand wave away anything anyone says as STUPID


We'll just have to agree to differ on those points, BY.

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but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO you want to ban it outright so even informed adults who may actually WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY aren't ALLOWED TO


Doesn't respond to me, it's just a generic bash against your 'opposition' on this thread, as you see it.

I'm sorry, BY: my comment stands - I just can't see that we have a conversation, here.

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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 1:00:29 PM   
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as for my comments being basic, why yes yes they are. and for most people, BASIC and SIMPLE tends to mean they are correct. but prejudiced, sorry no not in the least. see there is where your argument falls apart, you ASSUME, that any and everyone who doesn't see things YOUR WAY must be PREJUDICED, therefor you can just hand wave away anything anyone says as STUPID

Wrong!
It is a conceit of the dumb that complex problems have simple solutions. That is the stupid shit shoveled by people like Reagan and W that got us into so much trouble.

And yes, you are quite clearly prejudiced.

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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 1:59:04 PM   
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It is a conceit of the dumb that complex problems have simple solutions. That is the stupid shit shoveled by people like Reagan and W that got us into so much trouble.



Leaving BitYakin now entirely out of this: yes, absolutely, that's a phenomenon that drives me up the frigging wall. For every 'wise idiot' I've met, I've met a hundred idiots who are just bloody idiots. The anti-intellectual conceit is much older than Reagan, though, I have to say. And you get flavours of it across the political spectrum. Whatever. The start of my values are the negation of values for them. The people who buy into the ideology - which, of course, they won't even see as an ideology - either make me want to punch their heads vigorously, or walk away from them very quickly.


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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 2:21:18 PM   
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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 2:29:41 PM   
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Excellent. I'll have to remember that one. Ta, DC.

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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 4:49:10 PM   
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"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong."

H.L. MENCKEN

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"It will take one year," said the Master promptly.

"But we need this system immediately or even sooner! How long will it take if I assign ten programmers to it?"

The Master Programmer frowned. "In that case, it will take two years."

"And what if I assign a hundred programmers to it?"

The Master Programmer shrugged. "Then the design will never be completed," he said.


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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 5:59:08 PM   
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Wrong!
It is a conceit of the dumb that complex problems have simple solutions.


This presumes an intellect sufficient to grasp enough of the problem to recognize that it's complex.

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RE: Talk about science denial - 6/22/2014 6:30:57 PM   
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"There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong."

H.L. MENCKEN


Mencken was always tossing off stuff like that. Plus he wrote the definitive essays on the Scopes trial.

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