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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 8:38:55 AM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 8:59:09 AM   
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If you want the border closed then the entire border will have to be fenced to the same standard. Otherwise the migrants will simply go through where the fencing is weakest.
I'm all for going after employer's but fines won't do it. And most still leaves us with a permanent problem which is unacceptable. Especially since the inflow won't stop till the border is sealed which would take years.


Had they started in 2006, we'd be 8 years ahead of where we are now...

The increased difficulty of traversing difficult terrain would also act as a deterrent, reducing the inflow. Yes, there would be areas where the border is easier to cross, but reducing those areas just might make policing them easier, until the fence can go up there, too.

And, no, the problem wouldn't be permanent. You have very strange vision. You can see lollipops and cotton candy in things that you support, but brimstone and fiery lakes of Hell in things you don't support. Get real. We can find a way to deport all those who are here illegally.

See my response to MN about dealing with employers.


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 9:16:50 AM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 9:17:46 AM   
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If you want the border closed then the entire border will have to be fenced to the same standard. Otherwise the migrants will simply go through where the fencing is weakest.
I'm all for going after employer's but fines won't do it. And most still leaves us with a permanent problem which is unacceptable. Especially since the inflow won't stop till the border is sealed which would take years.


Had they started in 2006, we'd be 8 years ahead of where we are now...

The increased difficulty of traversing difficult terrain would also act as a deterrent, reducing the inflow. Yes, there would be areas where the border is easier to cross, but reducing those areas just might make policing them easier, until the fence can go up there, too.

And, no, the problem wouldn't be permanent. You have very strange vision. You can see lollipops and cotton candy in things that you support, but brimstone and fiery lakes of Hell in things you don't support. Get real. We can find a way to deport all those who are here illegally.

See my response to MN about dealing with employers.


I'll point out that there are images of people climbing over the fence that did get built so even if that does get built along the entire border it won't end illegal migration.

And yes the problem is permanent. There is no conceivable way to seal the entire nation. Put an impenetrable fence along the Mexican border and the migrants will come in by sea or from Canada or they'll fly in.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 9:28:39 AM   
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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 10:35:14 AM   
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And yes the problem is permanent. There is no conceivable way to seal the entire nation. Put an impenetrable fence along the Mexican border and the migrants will come in by sea or from Canada or they'll fly in.



At a minute fraction of what it is now.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 10:40:24 AM   
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How about we bring all our troops home and use them to truly protect our country, posting them at our borders?

I know using our troops in a constitutional manor a "radical" idea but I think it might make a dent in illegal immigration.







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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 11:04:34 AM   
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Or cut it, or run cars thru it, even if it is built like the cold war wall, they will come, there is no mousetrap.


There was one instance where they found someone had built a ramp to drive vehicles over the fence.

And then there are all those tunnels which would put Col. Hogan and the gang at Stalag 13 to shame. They've found some tunnels which were makeshift, but others which were professionally constructed, with lights, ventilation, the whole works.

And yes, they need to punish the employers most of all. Heavy fines, incarceration, whatever it takes.

The other side of the problem is that (unlike East Germany during the Cold War) both Mexico and the United States want and encourage legal border crossings and as much commerce as we can get. Mexicans coming into Arizona purchasing goods and services is a major chunk of the local economy, yet we put up a big fence and have them all funnel through these jammed-up, undermanned border crossings (although CBP is increasing manpower and capacity to help facilitate crossing the border easier).

In addition to Customs, those coming up I-19 from Nogales will also reach the Border Patrol checkpoint. There's also one along I-10 in New Mexico (for westbound traffic) and one near Van Horn TX (for eastbound traffic). Of course, these are fixed structures and everybody knows where they are, so I'm not sure how useful they are at catching smugglers or undocumented immigrants.

But it's a real pain in the butt and can mess up one's traveling schedule if there's a long line waiting to get through the checkpoint. I went through the one in Texas on a Greyhound bus, and the Border Patrol guys came in and started doing random searches, while the drug dogs sniffed around the baggage compartment. Next time I go through, I'm going to stuff a suitcase full of dog treats and see what happens.


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 11:06:54 AM   
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How about we bring all our troops home and use them to truly protect our country, posting them at our borders?

I know using our troops in a constitutional manor a "radical" idea but I think it might make a dent in illegal immigration.

Screen captures still RULE! ya feel me?

Have you never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 2:21:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
If you want the border closed then the entire border will have to be fenced to the same standard. Otherwise the migrants will simply go through where the fencing is weakest.
I'm all for going after employer's but fines won't do it. And most still leaves us with a permanent problem which is unacceptable. Especially since the inflow won't stop till the border is sealed which would take years.

Had they started in 2006, we'd be 8 years ahead of where we are now...
The increased difficulty of traversing difficult terrain would also act as a deterrent, reducing the inflow. Yes, there would be areas where the border is easier to cross, but reducing those areas just might make policing them easier, until the fence can go up there, too.
And, no, the problem wouldn't be permanent. You have very strange vision. You can see lollipops and cotton candy in things that you support, but brimstone and fiery lakes of Hell in things you don't support. Get real. We can find a way to deport all those who are here illegally.
See my response to MN about dealing with employers.

I'll point out that there are images of people climbing over the fence that did get built so even if that does get built along the entire border it won't end illegal migration.
And yes the problem is permanent. There is no conceivable way to seal the entire nation. Put an impenetrable fence along the Mexican border and the migrants will come in by sea or from Canada or they'll fly in.


The "permanent" problem is current illegal immigrants. The ones we catch, we deport. There will always be those trying to get in who will choose to not follow our laws. Citizenship for those already here isn't going to help those who cross illegally in the future, either.

Perhaps if the legislation was completed, we'd be monitoring the wall, catching those climbing over it. W gave up on it. Obama didn't alter that course.

No one is calling for "sealing" the nation, either. But, great way to move goalposts.


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 2:23:46 PM   
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But it's a real pain in the butt and can mess up one's traveling schedule if there's a long line waiting to get through the checkpoint. I went through the one in Texas on a Greyhound bus, and the Border Patrol guys came in and started doing random searches, while the drug dogs sniffed around the baggage compartment. Next time I go through, I'm going to stuff a suitcase full of dog treats and see what happens.


LMAO!!

You have to let us know how that goes!


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 2:39:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
How about we bring all our troops home and use them to truly protect our country, posting them at our borders?
I know using our troops in a constitutional manor a "radical" idea but I think it might make a dent in illegal immigration.
Screen captures still RULE! ya feel me?

Have you never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act


Have you ever read the Posse Comitatus Act?
    quote:

    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.


So, it could be done. If the Armed Forces are here for "National Security," wouldn't it seem reasonable that the "security" of our "nation's" borders would be included in that?

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 2:42:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
How about we bring all our troops home and use them to truly protect our country, posting them at our borders?
I know using our troops in a constitutional manor a "radical" idea but I think it might make a dent in illegal immigration.
Screen captures still RULE! ya feel me?

Have you never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act


Have you ever read the Posse Comitatus Act?
    quote:

    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.



So, it could be done. If the Armed Forces are here for "National Security," wouldn't it seem reasonable that the "security" of our "nation's" borders would be included in that?

We do not use the armed forces for law enforcement. That is what the Act means. I do not think we are changing that for anything. Reconstruction was not a pleasant experience.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 2:47:59 PM   
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The "permanent" problem is current illegal immigrants. The ones we catch, we deport. There will always be those trying to get in who will choose to not follow our laws. Citizenship for those already here isn't going to help those who cross illegally in the future, either.

if you look at the reform proposals in Congress they would effectively deal with illegal immigration by giving existing undocumented migrants a path to citizenship and creating a legal way for employers to bring in workers to pick crops and do other jobs that they can't find US residents willing to do. With increased enforcement that would effectively end illegal immigration as there would be no jobs for the illegals.

quote:

Perhaps if the legislation was completed, we'd be monitoring the wall, catching those climbing over it. W gave up on it. Obama didn't alter that course.

No one is calling for "sealing" the nation, either. But, great way to move goalposts.


Yes, you are. You have repeatedly called for such
quote:

Close our borders

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4706097
quote:

Close the fucking border

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4706239
quote:

How about we close the borders

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4705468
etc.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 4:01:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
How about we bring all our troops home and use them to truly protect our country, posting them at our borders?
I know using our troops in a constitutional manor a "radical" idea but I think it might make a dent in illegal immigration.
Screen captures still RULE! ya feel me?

Have you never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Have you ever read the Posse Comitatus Act?
    quote:

    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

So, it could be done. If the Armed Forces are here for "National Security," wouldn't it seem reasonable that the "security" of our "nation's" borders would be included in that?

We do not use the armed forces for law enforcement. That is what the Act means. I do not think we are changing that for anything. Reconstruction was not a pleasant experience.


There's a big difference between using the Armed Forces to enforce laws against Americans and using the Armed Forces to enforce immigration laws against those who are attempting to gain entry into the US through illegal channels.

This isn't Reconstruction, either. Troops can boost the ranks of Border Patrol to reduce the influx of illegals. ICE/INS can take care of those already here.

Reconstruction occurred inside the US, not on the border.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 4:05:32 PM   
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The "permanent" problem is current illegal immigrants. The ones we catch, we deport. There will always be those trying to get in who will choose to not follow our laws. Citizenship for those already here isn't going to help those who cross illegally in the future, either.

if you look at the reform proposals in Congress they would effectively deal with illegal immigration by giving existing undocumented migrants a path to citizenship and creating a legal way for employers to bring in workers to pick crops and do other jobs that they can't find US residents willing to do. With increased enforcement that would effectively end illegal immigration as there would be no jobs for the illegals.


I do think there should be a path for citizenship for those who are currently here illegally. But, it involves them going to the back of the line for legal channels.

But, making current illegals no longer illegal isn't really a great way (damn effective, though) to reduce the current number of illegals here. That also doesn't address the continued influx of illegals, does it?

quote:

quote:

Perhaps if the legislation was completed, we'd be monitoring the wall, catching those climbing over it. W gave up on it. Obama didn't alter that course.
No one is calling for "sealing" the nation, either. But, great way to move goalposts.

Yes, you are. You have repeatedly called for such
quote:

Close our borders

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4706097
quote:

Close the fucking border

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4706239
quote:

How about we close the borders

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4705468
etc.


Fail. "Close" and "secure" do not equal "seal." But, nice recovery attempt.


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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 4:20:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The "permanent" problem is current illegal immigrants. The ones we catch, we deport. There will always be those trying to get in who will choose to not follow our laws. Citizenship for those already here isn't going to help those who cross illegally in the future, either.

if you look at the reform proposals in Congress they would effectively deal with illegal immigration by giving existing undocumented migrants a path to citizenship and creating a legal way for employers to bring in workers to pick crops and do other jobs that they can't find US residents willing to do. With increased enforcement that would effectively end illegal immigration as there would be no jobs for the illegals.


I do think there should be a path for citizenship for those who are currently here illegally. But, it involves them going to the back of the line for legal channels.

But, making current illegals no longer illegal isn't really a great way (damn effective, though) to reduce the current number of illegals here. That also doesn't address the continued influx of illegals, does it?

If there is no more work available and no incentive for employers to hire illegals then it is doubtful many would come.

quote:

quote:

quote:

Perhaps if the legislation was completed, we'd be monitoring the wall, catching those climbing over it. W gave up on it. Obama didn't alter that course.
No one is calling for "sealing" the nation, either. But, great way to move goalposts.

Yes, you are. You have repeatedly called for such
quote:

Close our borders

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4706097
quote:

Close the fucking border

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4706239
quote:

How about we close the borders

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4705468
etc.


Fail. "Close" and "secure" do not equal "seal." But, nice recovery attempt.


Then I have no idea what you want.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 6:29:23 PM   
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Opponents of a new legalization program for unauthorized immigrants living and working in the United States frequently claim that we must try “enforcement first.” That is to say, we must adequately enforce the laws on the books before we can contemplate the formulation of more reasonable laws. This stance is nonsensical for two reasons.

First of all, it ignores the fact that the unworkable nature of our immigration laws is itself facilitating unauthorized immigration; so it is illogical to hope that stronger enforcement of those unworkable laws will somehow lessen unauthorized immigration. Secondly, the “enforcement first” perspective conveniently overlooks the fact that the United States has been pursuing an “enforcement first” approach to immigration control for more than two-and-a-half decades—and it has yet to work.

Since the last major legalization program for unauthorized immigrants in 1986, the federal government has spent an estimated $186.8 billion on immigration enforcement. Yet during that time, the unauthorized population has tripled in size to 11 million. This did not occur because $186.6 billion was not enough to get the job done. It occurred because this money was spent trying to enforce immigration laws that have consistently failed to match either the U.S. economy’s demand for workers or the natural desire of immigrants to be reunited with their families.

As a result, we keep throwing good money after bad, ignoring the old adage that “insanity” is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. More concretely, the federal government has met nearly every “metric” for border security that appeared in the 2006, 2007, and 2010 immigration-reform bills in the Senate, yet new metrics are continually created to replace the old ones, and the finish line keeps moving further away. The “enforcement first” approach to unauthorized immigration would more accurately be called “enforcement forever,” because there is no end in sight.

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Conservatives are split, obviously. The irrational base hate's immigration (Tea Party.) The smaller government types, civil libertarians, and business owners favor reform because they want to see the US economy grow and their businesses expand.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 6:34:13 PM   
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MusicMystery has challenged the anti-immigration types to fund their initiatives and they usually go silent afterwards.

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Here's another eye popping statistic:

The United States has created an enormous deportation machinery. The budget for border security and immigration enforcement in now $18 Billion dollars a year -- substantially more than the budget for all other federal law-enforcement agencies combined (the F.B.I., the D.E.A., the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshalls, and the A.T.F.).

The machinery exists, it has its political incentives, and because it targets are weak, its accountability is slight, its impunity is great.

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RE: Eric Cantor defeated! - 6/21/2014 8:12:26 PM   
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Have you never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act


So, it could be done. If the Armed Forces are here for "National Security," wouldn't it seem reasonable that the "security" of our "nation's" borders would be included in that?


The part I bolded (and put in red font) has got to be one of the silliest responses I've seen here.

Isn't protecting our borders a job for federal troops? I would consider it part of "provide for the common defense".

Make no mistake about it; what we are experiencing is an economic invasion. I'm not claiming that it's a concerted effort by an actual government but it is a drain on our economy in so many ways that it's at critical mass.

I am usually not one to look to the federal government for redress of grievances but, I don't see any other solution.

Add to the fact that it was the PPLs that got a whole lot of laws enacted that ban civilian law enforcement from even coming close to asking about a person's immigration status and you're left with the questions: "Whose responsibility is it, then?" and "Have we just opened up our borders to just anyone?"







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