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cloudboy -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 6:14:13 AM)
Yes, we can say goodbye to problem solving and hello to grandstanding idiocy. One idea to beef up voter participation is to open up the primaries to all voters.

Musicmystery -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 6:16:48 AM)
then why have primaries at all Allow the base their chance to decide, not party leadership exclusively. Whether they participate is their choice.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 1:09:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 FR You know what I find funny? I can't see a single con commenting on this thread so far. Either their angry as he'll and don't want to face reality or they're desperately trying to come up with come backs to cantor's failure. Either way, I'm keeping a watch on this thread for the first con comment, should be funny [:D] Here's the thing, TK. You mistaking Conservatives for establishment GOP supporters. That isn't necessarily true. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blue-dog-democrats-whittled-down-in-number-are-trying-to-regroup/2014/01/15/37d4e7e2-7dfd-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html Here, you can see that there are actually Conservative Democrats. I know, I know. Blows the fuck out of your mind there. But, it's true. As has been stated before, the GOP isn't always Conservative, either. Had you gone about referring to the absence of any Republicans commenting, you may have had something there. I don't live in VA. I don't vote in VA. I didn't follow the vote. If Cantor lost because he's not really a fiscal Conservative, then there you have it. If he lost because he truly didn't represent his constituents, then there you have it. Any representative is only going to be elected by those who give a shit enough to go out and vote. If you can't get your supporters to vote, do you really have supporters? There are some people who will claim that the only reason Romney lost was because of low voter turnout among conservatives. While that may be true, it would mean that conservatives weren't motivated by candidate Romney to get out and vote. It's the candidate's and party's responsibility to motivate the voters. If a candidate can't get a voter motivated enough to show up and vote, there you have a shitty candidate. If Cantor can't motivate supporters to give enough of a fuck to get out and vote, that speaks to Cantor's campaign and/or his representation.

thompsonx -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 1:24:02 PM)
Here's the thing, TK. You mistaking Conservatives for establishment GOP supporters. That isn't necessarily true Everytime one of the punk assmotherfuckers in your party steps on his dick you and the rest of the clowns come out here and tell us that those were not weel twue republicrats/conservatives. Is there no one in your fucking party that actually speaks for you?

thompsonx -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 1:28:25 PM)
Here, you can see that there are actually Conservative Democrats. I know, I know. Blows the fuck out of your mind there. But, it's true. As has been stated before, the GOP isn't always Conservative, either. Wow the republicrats are not conservative and the demopubs are....Do you ever read the shit you post?

DomKen -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 1:59:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Do you even know that the TEA in Tea Party is an acronym for Taxed Enough Already? Interesting. I'd always understood it to stand for "Testy Entitlement-collecting Anachronisms." I've always understood it to be the craziest right wing nuts in the Republican party. That's incorrect. The Tea Party originally started with mostly Constitutional libertarians -- people who don't want the government in your bedroom or your wallet. There came a time when it became popular enough and so the religious right-wing (e.g., earth is 6,000 years old, "intelligent" design, anti-gay marriage (still beats the Taliban's position, so let's not get too bent out of shape here), and often more populist than free market (see Rick Santorum as Exhibit A)) started joining. By sheer numbers, this introduced into the Tea Party an element of religion and faith that hadn't been there before. But a strange thing has happened. The religious right isn't doing so well. The free market libertarians are doing a lot better. So if you want the crazies, you would be best in the Republican Party to look at the religious right-wing, just as if you want the crazies in the Democratic Party, you might start with the unrepentant leftists: Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid (who is simply deranged) and the Grand Messiah himself, Obama). Believe anything you want. However in the real world the "tea party" is a bunch of far right loons held together by the worst of the worst political operatives in the GOP and the money from the Koch's and their buddies.

DarkSteven -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 2:39:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery It spells trouble for the Republican Party, to be sure. But it's not good news for Democrats either. The message Republicans will hear is not to work with Democrats, not to accomplish anything, not to compromise, because it could haunt them in the election. Whether a Tea that wins a primary is a good target depends on the region. In this particular conservative district, he's probably going to Washington. That means a House that EVEN more incalcitrant, even more extreme, even more intolerant of moderates in its ranks, even more economic risks taken with our credit rating and reputation, even more expensive showdowns. The Teas are the ONLY winners here. The real message, that Republicans (and Democrats) need to listen to their local constituents and not just national party dogma, likely went unheard. Agreed. The gridlock we've just had is gonna get worse.

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 5:23:11 PM)
quote: I can't see a single con commenting on this thread so far. Assuming you think of me as a con... Everyone I know is delighted. Amnesty just got killed. Again.

DomKen -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 5:27:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: I can't see a single con commenting on this thread so far. Assuming you think of me as a con... Everyone I know is delighted. Amnesty just got killed. Again. Anyone who thought Cantor was for any sort of amnesty is deeply misinformed.

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 5:28:07 PM)
quote: The real message, that Republicans (and Democrats) need to listen to their local constituents and not just national party dogma, likely went unheard. Those constituents are anti-AGW, pro-0bama0Care-repeal, against gun control, against immigration reform..... We wish the RINOS would listen to us.....

cloudboy -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 5:36:23 PM)
The purported goal of primaries is to sort the field for the best political candidate for office -- and if the process isn't working --- maybe it's advisable to make changes to it.

DomKen -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 5:40:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: The real message, that Republicans (and Democrats) need to listen to their local constituents and not just national party dogma, likely went unheard. Those constituents are anti-AGW, pro-0bama0Care-repeal, against gun control, against immigration reform..... We wish the RINOS would listen to us..... Really the problem is that in a CD with a population of 757k people only 65k people bothered to vote in the primary. Participation is so low that the nuts affected the outcome. It really is that simple.

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 5:49:36 PM)
Perhaps we should define "amnesty". To conservatives, every "immigration reform" bill that has been proposed is an amnesty bill. Any bill that provides any "pathway to citizenship" is an amnesty bill imo. And Cantor supported- had pushed for- "immigration reform". It was the number-one primary issue. Personally, I would support legislation granting permanent resident (never-to-become-citizens) status to law-abiding long-term illegal aliens, and maybe citizenship for combat veterans of America's armed forces if the border was fenced,mined, and effectively patrolled, a $10,000 bounty was given to any citizen who apprehended an illegal alien, and illegals were locked the fuck up until deported.

njlauren -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 7:30:52 PM)
It is hard to take anything out of this election, but it does point out something, that when we talk about elections turnout matters. Put it this way if 80% of registered voters voted in the presidential elections, the GOP would likely lose by a huge margin, based on registrations, but that doesn't happen, because maybe 40 % vote. This guy is a free market absolutist who claims to be big on ethics, but he once wrote a piece claiming ayn rand was fully in line with christian teaching, it was bizarre (basically, he says that the rich, the 'job creators' create wealth for everyone, and that helps the poor, so Rand's ideals were fine, which is beyond contempt, it is so transparently false I can't even begin to start in on it). He probably won because people were tired of Cantor, they probably blamed him for various ills, and an outsider was appealing, it happens. He seems to be typical tea party, arguing the government is the problem, that if we just stripped down the budget, got rid of the EPA, got rid of corporate taxes everything would be fine. The tea party originally was a combination of upper middle income small business owners/doctors/dentists, who claimed that they were taxed too much and that the government was paying for everyone but them..but it basically became the GOP base, the religious right, the anti immigrant/anti gay types, and they in turn became owned by people like the Koch brothers out to make sure that they could amass wealth and not have to pay taxes (not to mention the Koch brothers were weaned at the teat of whack job parents, dear old dad founded the John Birch Society). The GOP has a problem with the tea party, because the overwhelming majority of people in this country view them as whackjobs and the GOP nuts for catering to them. In a sense, Cantor did himself in, he encourage the tea party types, he was a key figure in moving the GOP to follow the tea party line, and it is hurting them. The problem is, the tea party is attractive among their base, so they can get elected, but it further makes the GOP into a laughingstock, or worse, a party that can't come up with anything but saying no.

dcnovice -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 7:54:08 PM)
FR Cantor's LinkedIn Profile (courtesy of Andy Borowitz) [image]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10440771_10152504417685681_7225469605867537483_n.jpg[/image]

DomKen -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 8:20:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Perhaps we should define "amnesty". To conservatives, every "immigration reform" bill that has been proposed is an amnesty bill. Any bill that provides any "pathway to citizenship" is an amnesty bill imo. And Cantor supported- had pushed for- "immigration reform". It was the number-one primary issue. Personally, I would support legislation granting permanent resident (never-to-become-citizens) status to law-abiding long-term illegal aliens, and maybe citizenship for combat veterans of America's armed forces if the border was fenced,mined, and effectively patrolled, a $10,000 bounty was given to any citizen who apprehended an illegal alien, and illegals were locked the fuck up until deported. Cantor had not. That you believed that he had is part of the problem. Cantor was Majority Leader of the House. If he wanted a bill brought up for a vote it would have been. Has there been an immigration bill brought up for a vote in the House? The fact is that polling done the day of the day of the primary showed that his CD supports immigration reform including the Senate bill by a huge margin. http://www.americansunitedforchange.org/page/-/VA7Results61114.pdf

TheHeretic -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 10:04:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery then why have primaries at all Allow the base their chance to decide, not party leadership exclusively. Whether they participate is their choice. Here in California, we have changed to an open primary system. Everybody goes on one ballot, the top two vote getters face off in the general election, regardless of party affiliation. As for Cantor, it seems he committed the offense of forgetting who exactly he was supposed to be working for. Sadly, that is all too common an affliction among government employees at every level.

joether -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/11/2014 10:20:28 PM)
Originally, the Tea Party was a bunch of guys living in and around the Boston, MA area that stormed aboard some ships, and throw crates of tea into Boston Harbour. Those that took tea (i.e. steal) were beaten down for it. Those crewman of the ship were kept mostly unharmed. Imagine the modern day 'Tea Party' in the same boarding action: Rushing aboard armed to the teeth with guns, grenades, and explosives. Killing everyone aboard. Setting charges and diving off, like some 1980's action movie just as the deck and ship explode into thousands of pieces. Kind of like this building, right? Where do you think all those in the militiaman movement went after two conservative blew this building up on 4/19/95? It doesn't surprise anyone, since the modern Tea Party is practically a spitting image of the Militiaman Movement from the 90's. Worshipping firearms, hate the Federal Government, More conspiracy theories than all the words on the internet, and making up that 'lowest information voter' that's taken advantage of every two years by the GOP. Conditioned to hate liberals, liberal media and liberal arts. Even though the word 'liberal' comes from Liberalis in Latin, which means 'freedom'. They hate the President because he is black. Doesn't believe he's an American because he was born in Hawaii, but fully believe their god, Ted Cruz is, because he was born in Canada! Do you know what they call people threatening armed violence in a democracy if they don't have their way politically? TYRANTS! The Tea Party was originally a special interest lobby for the Koch brother's business interests, and later adopted to the Grand Old Party in 2006 after the staggering loses in Congress to Democrats. The Tea Party stated it was against large corporations trying to take it over or control it, all the while being fully funded by the Koch brothers. The group has allowed so many racists, bigots, and idiots into its ranks, that former Rep. Michelle Bachmann and former Gov. Sarah Palin were seen as intelligent and educated women. Which translate into reality as: they are both dingbats that live in a fantasy world. This is the Tea Party in America.

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 12:55:10 AM)
Funny. Phone poll, questions (3 & 4) clearly worded with a Dim description of what the bills do.... The poll got the results they wanted Cantor's support of "immigration reform" (aka amnesty) is credited by every report I've read as the reason for his defeat.

Sanity -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 5:24:29 AM)
Most people know that when leftists push "Immigration Reform" what they want is millions more poor uneducated and desperate third worlders to flood in and for the other half of your home town to become ghetto in order to expand the Democrat base. You think its hard for someone in your family who may be a bit slow or unskilled to get a job now, just wait a few years. Not only will the flood of refugees spike the unemployment situation (35% of the population is chronically unemployed now) but they will also overwhelm the medical system (think free Obamacare) as well as our welfare system that we already cannot afford (we are trillions and trillions in debt).

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