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DomKen -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 6:06:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Funny. Phone poll, questions (3 & 4) clearly worded with a Dim description of what the bills do.... The poll got the results they wanted The poll asked the question 3 different times, 3 different ways. That is scientifically sound. They got good results. Cantor's support of "immigration reform" (aka amnesty) is credited by every report I've read as the reason for his defeat. So? The consensus is wrong. The reason Cantor lost is found in two things. Look at that poll again. His approval in his on own district was 26% and turnout was abysmal.

mnottertail -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 7:44:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: The real message, that Republicans (and Democrats) need to listen to their local constituents and not just national party dogma, likely went unheard. Those constituents are anti-AGW, pro-0bama0Care-repeal, against gun control, against immigration reform..... We wish the RINOS would listen to us..... Nobody of any reason will listen to the nutsackers. ObamaCare will never be repealed.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 9:33:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Here in California, we have changed to an open primary system. Everybody goes on one ballot, the top two vote getters face off in the general election, regardless of party affiliation. City of Toledo has that for Mayoral races. That's why we had two Democrats duking it out. And, that's also why Toledo gets to have Democrat A-Team and a B-Team affiliations. Outcomes, at least in Toledo, wouldn't have changed if it were set up as Democrat v. Republican, either. quote: As for Cantor, it seems he committed the offense of forgetting who exactly he was supposed to be working for. Sadly, that is all too common an affliction among government employees at every level. This is probably quite likely, sadly enough. Or, at least, likely enough that those that would vote for him weren't motivated to show it enough.

cloudboy -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 10:05:41 AM)
IF that logic were true -- the USA would have folded more than 100 years ago -- but the reverse is true -- Immigration improves the USA as a nation: economically and culturally. Where did your grand parents come from? What is your plan to pay for massive incarcerations and deportations of long term American residents without status in the USA? What did Reagan do? What does the CATO institute support? P.S. Do you still live in Idaho in grave fear of Affirmative Actions policies?

Sanity -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 10:41:29 AM)
What was the national debt 100 years ago. What did Detroit look like, what did Southern Cal look like... What was the population of South and Central America. Apples and Albatrosses No need to incarcerate illegals like Mexico does, simply incarcerate anyone who hires them and they will self deport Quit coming en masse Might also want to take away their complimentary Barack Obama goody bags they receive upon arrival, too MM claims they're economic refugees, and I don't disagree Problem with that is, bring enough third worlders here and we become them. Then where do we go to seek refuge...

mnottertail -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 11:05:52 AM)
The debt was much less, but we were not free market communists then.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 1:52:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy IF that logic were true -- the USA would have folded more than 100 years ago -- but the reverse is true -- Immigration improves the USA as a nation: economically and culturally. Where did your grand parents come from? Opposing amnesty isn't the same as opposing immigration. Opposing illegal immigration isn't the same as opposing immigration, either. Many people who are opposed to amnesty and illegal immigration are, in fact, FOR increasing legal immigration and improving the legal immigration process.

mnottertail -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 1:53:35 PM)
Yeah, and we see them voting those bills alla time..................NOT.

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 3:46:58 PM)
I am so dead-set against encouraging the least-motivated (and dumbest) amongst us to vote.... Really, if they can't be bothered.....

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 3:49:29 PM)
They are leaving us very few options. There's a joke that starts: "A cowboy, an Indian, and a Mexican go into a bar..."

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 3:53:46 PM)
quote: Then where do we go to seek refuge... Nowhere. We simply repulse the invasion by traditional means

cloudboy -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 4:19:16 PM)
You don't know what you're talking about and are beyond narrow minded on the subject. Congress can give green cards to anyone it wants. Under the US Constitution Congress has plenary authority to regulate immigration. Changing the laws is not an amnesty anymore than legalizing pot is an amnesty. There is no such thing as an "amnesty" from regulatory, administrative law offenses. As MNOTTERNALL would say, such thinking is asswipe. Obstructionists simply oppose US economic growth, family unity, and the founding principles of our nation to accept and assimilate other hard working people in search of opportunities -- while supporting a big government, the regulatory state, and deportations, incarcerations, and other such expensive drags on the US tax payer and US law enforcement officials. The Republican plan from the Tea Party is EVERYONE LOSES, NO PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED, BUT WE GET TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR THE NATIONS WOES AND PROBLEMS. It is pure -- out and out --- degeneracy. This would make Reagan throw up if he saw it. -------- I read today in the NYT that Cantor outspent his challenger 36-1 in the primary race and that D. Brat's budget was just $200K two hundred thousand dollars.

truckinslave -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 4:28:00 PM)
quote: Changing the laws is not an amnesty Quite right. But the bills in Congress that mitigate or eliminate the consequences of past law-breaking do indeed constitute an amnesty.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 6:17:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy You don't know what you're talking about and are beyond narrow minded on the subject. Congress can give green cards to anyone it wants. Under the US Constitution Congress has plenary authority to regulate immigration. Changing the laws is not an amnesty anymore than legalizing pot is an amnesty. It is amnesty. Too bad your blinders don't allow you to understand that. quote: There is no such thing as an "amnesty" from regulatory, administrative law offenses. As MNOTTERNALL would say, such thinking is asswipe. Obstructionists simply oppose US economic growth, family unity, and the founding principles of our nation to accept and assimilate other hard working people in search of opportunities -- while supporting a big government, the regulatory state, and deportations, incarcerations, and other such expensive drags on the US tax payer and US law enforcement officials. The GOP doesn't oppose US economic growth. The GOP doesn't oppose family unity. The GOP doesn't oppose legal immigration and assimilation. The GOP, unfortunately, does support big government, too much regulation, and other drags on the US taxpayer and US LEO's, but not to the extent the Democrats do the same. It's not like the Democrats have reduced deportations, have they? Have incarcerations dropped at no increased risk to the safety of legal US Citizens? quote: The Republican plan from the Tea Party is EVERYONE LOSES, NO PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED, BUT WE GET TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR THE NATIONS WOES AND PROBLEMS. It is pure -- out and out --- degeneracy. This would make Reagan throw up if he saw it. -------- Oh, please. Every politician blames someone else for the Nation's woes and problems. The Democrats do the same fucking thing the GOP does. quote: I read today in the NYT that Cantor outspent his challenger 36-1 in the primary race and that D. Brat's budget was just $200K two hundred thousand dollars. I call that a fantastic win for folks who oppose the purchasing of elections and wish to reduce the influence of big money.

cloudboy -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 6:18:06 PM)
quote: Quite right. But the bills in Congress that mitigate or eliminate the consequences of past law-breaking do indeed constitute an amnesty. This is simple. Impose fines. That way there's no amnesty at all. Under Reagan the fine was $1,000.00. Problem solved. What's next?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 6:44:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: Quite right. But the bills in Congress that mitigate or eliminate the consequences of past law-breaking do indeed constitute an amnesty. This is simple. Impose fines. That way there's no amnesty at all. Under Reagan the fine was $1,000.00. Problem solved. What's next? How about making them get in the back of the line for legal immigration? What you're saying, is that paying some fine grants you legal presence in the US, while there are scores of people biding their time going through the legal process we've already set up. I wonder how much those people have paid to still not have legal presence in the US. You are saying "fuck you" to all those who chose to follow the rules.

Musicmystery -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 7:17:22 PM)
Even the legal process doesn't do the "line" sensibly. For example, if you do everything legally, say, join your (legally here) parents in the US--and the wait can be a decade or more--but if you reach age 21 while waiting, now you have a different status, and you go to the back of the line again, just for aging out. That's just one of quirks in this tangle of immigration laws that desperately need reform -- even Bush II was harping on this.

thompsonx -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 7:31:01 PM)
ORIGINAL: truckinslave Personally, I would support legislation granting permanent resident (never-to-become-citizens) status to law-abiding long-term illegal aliens, and maybe citizenship for combat veterans of America's armed forces So since you are not a combat veteran can we deport you? a $10,000 bounty was given to any citizen who apprehended an illegal alien, You have been told before but there is already a bounty in place. The penality for hiring someone who has crossed the boarder illegally is 250,000 + 5 years federal prison for each violation. All you have to do is walk your punk ass into korporate amerika and perform a citizens arrest on the ceo. Pick one with at least 100 illegals working for them.Which is more $10,000 or 10% of 25 million dollars and illegals were locked the fuck up until deported. [/quote]

thompsonx -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 7:35:44 PM)
You think its hard for someone in your family who may be a bit slow or unskilled to get a job now, just wait a few years. We know it is hard for you but it is your own fault. Had you spent a little more time on the books and a little less time in the boyz room smokin fags you could get a job that did not include a broom and a mop.

thompsonx -> RE: Eric Cantor defeated! (6/12/2014 7:43:17 PM)
How about making them get in the back of the line for legal immigration? Isnt that what they do now? What you're saying, is that paying some fine grants you legal presence in the US, while there are scores of people biding their time going through the legal process we've already set up. Isnt the legal imigration quota for mexico to the u.s. 5000 per year? Wouldn't that amount to exclusionary? You are saying "fuck you" to all those who chose to follow the rules. All 5000 of them? How so? They are in. They did not have to hazard the border crossing and they did not have to pay the fine so how are they fucked. The ones who did not get in...that is on the feds not the illegals who got in.

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