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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 7:28:38 AM   
Musicmystery


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Have you been reading the Secret Memos?????



Not much point to the opinion of someone so weirdly divorced from reality.

And publicly proud of his own insanity.



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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 7:39:07 AM   
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seeing as canada is a lefty country...who actually purports to ship 97 % of its oil exports to the USA...
The whole talking points by the "right" is bloody stupid...
Its not a done deal yet, not by a long shot... Im not wasting my time on showing facts for the mindless dribble to ignore, however, I can pull up numerous pieces of factual information for anyone who is serious about it.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 10:56:33 AM   
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First, for any additional production of oil to increase supply, doesn't require it to go through a pipeline across the US plains to Houston, it can remain the Canadian pipeline with the same effect.

Secondly, there exists no free market in oil as long as OPEC can manipulate supply and it is the speculators that determine the price of all commodities including oil.

Those dollars 'brought home' are oil industry dollars and are not to and do not serve society at all, they are private dollars and are in fact, by exporting these refines products through Houston...are tax free dollars, also not serving society.




You are really, really reaching here, unless you really don't know that our main refining facilities are down around the Gulf coast area

And you don't have anything thats made of plastic or was shipped around you anywhere. Or anything that requires lubrication like a bicycle, or anything that used petroleum to grow or harvest or manufacture, etc etc etc

And if there is really no free market effect, it must be a mass hallucination that oil prices rose dramatically when the Islamists who Barack said were defeated began assuming control if Iraq

And yeah, dollars brought here help everyone. Nothing occurs in a vacuum, if people have wealth they tend to spend some of it thus creating jobs

Thats the real way to spread the wealth btw. This business of addicting people to government handouts destroys them

Yes, the facts are often troubling. The various petro-products are irrelevant. The price of oil is sweet crude quoted by the futures exchanges...period. The so-called market is that which the speculators assess and thereupon...speculate and on paper at the exchanges.

When the price of oil went to about $140/bbl. and gas went to about $4 or $5/gal the world had plenty of oil, abs the US was exporting gas as fast as they could, so it wasn't supply at all. it was pure speculation and manipulation.

Private profits have been rising for years and in private corporate hands, do nothing for the economy or society. In many markets we've seen record profits and several new highs in the DOW and S & P as reflected.

Where are the jobs ? How have those private profits benefited society ? None at all...only the investor class.



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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:03:33 AM   
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The President has little ability to impact the price of gasoline. There's plenty of shit to pile on Obama, but this isn't one of those turds.



Bullshit

Placing oil fields off limits through executive order, putting off the pipeline decision forever, directing his EPA goons and his IRS goons etc to crack down on every aspect of the energy industry, etc, are but a few of the ways Obama has driven fuel prices (and food prices, and electricity prices etc) to a six year high

US oil production is at an all time high at about 11 million bbls. a day. So talk about bullshit. Gas exports to prop up the price are at or near all time highs.

Obama has done none of the above as also reflected by all time high oil production from the gulf and in fact more off shore leasing then at any time. The pres. can't force them to drill and the oil co. doesn't want to yet, it may bring the price of oil down hey ??

Get a grip man.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:07:49 AM   
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What is the advantage to the u.s. of this pipe line?

Tax free oil industry profits...nothing for the consumer or society at large.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:14:11 AM   
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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:15:05 AM   
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The President has little ability to impact the price of gasoline. There's plenty of shit to pile on Obama, but this isn't one of those turds.

Bullshit
Placing oil fields off limits through executive order, putting off the pipeline decision forever, directing his EPA goons and his IRS goons etc to crack down on every aspect of the energy industry, etc, are but a few of the ways Obama has driven fuel prices (and food prices, and electricity prices etc) to a six year high

US oil production is at an all time high at about 11 million bbls. a day. So talk about bullshit. Gas exports to prop up the price are at or near all time highs.
Obama has done none of the above as also reflected by all time high oil production from the gulf and in fact more off shore leasing then at any time. The pres. can't force them to drill and the oil co. doesn't want to yet, it may bring the price of oil down hey ??
Get a grip man.


Unless something drastic has happened in the last 3 months, we aren't much over 8.2 million bpd.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m


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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:15:38 AM   
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And I mean in person. You cannot imagine.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:33:15 AM   
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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:39:26 AM   
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Yeah, anyone excited about Canadian oil should visit the Alberta tar fields.

And I mean in person. You cannot imagine.


My dad actually works for shell, and he was out there once and took pictures and god it's a mess. They are engaging in restoring the land to green space but it isn't always successful.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:40:32 AM   
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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 11:44:40 AM   
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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 12:34:03 PM   
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Its not a done deal yet, not by a long shot... Im not wasting my time on showing facts for the mindless dribble to ignore, however, I can pull up numerous pieces of factual information for anyone who is serious about it.

No its not a done deal, they still need to get BC onside and the aboriginals (the hardest part).. but there is another pipeline in the works also if this one doesn't go thru, the one east from Alberta to Newfoundland.. which could not only be used to export to China, etc but also supply all of eastern Canada's needs and end imports from the US & other countries..

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 12:49:04 PM   
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Just weighing in here as a Canadian and British Columbian. Nothing but propaganda from the pipeline/govt side for years now. This has been decided long ago even if the "decision" was just made now. The people don't want it, and won't benefit from it. The ones who want it are the corporations and govt, period. Very few people actually support it, and when you talk to them, they tend to be, shall we say, not all that informed about the topic. But yeah, apparently we are so stupid here in Canada that we believe selling off a finite resource is a "sustainable economic plan". That's like having a garage sale to get rid of your old stuff and pay the rent, as a long term solution to being poor. It doesn't work forever. And yet they're telling us this is growth, this is prosperity, this is our future. Gag.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 1:01:56 PM   
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They do get a few hundred to a couple thousand jobs to refine the stuff, but most of the money is going to the top, with the pollution being shared by everyone. Yay...

I actually doubt we'll see that many jobs created by the oil in that pipeline as Houston pretty much stands ready, willing and able to refine it now.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 4:46:00 PM   
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The President has little ability to impact the price of gasoline. There's plenty of shit to pile on Obama, but this isn't one of those turds.

Bullshit
Placing oil fields off limits through executive order, putting off the pipeline decision forever, directing his EPA goons and his IRS goons etc to crack down on every aspect of the energy industry, etc, are but a few of the ways Obama has driven fuel prices (and food prices, and electricity prices etc) to a six year high

US oil production is at an all time high at about 11 million bbls. a day. So talk about bullshit. Gas exports to prop up the price are at or near all time highs.
Obama has done none of the above as also reflected by all time high oil production from the gulf and in fact more off shore leasing then at any time. The pres. can't force them to drill and the oil co. doesn't want to yet, it may bring the price of oil down hey ??
Get a grip man.


Unless something drastic has happened in the last 3 months, we aren't much over 8.2 million bpd.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m



It should be obvious but I guess not... More and more people need more and more energy

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 4:51:47 PM   
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They do get a few hundred to a couple thousand jobs to refine the stuff, but most of the money is going to the top, with the pollution being shared by everyone. Yay...


Why shouldn't the money go to the people taking the most risk... Where does it say that if you sit around and get stoned all day you get to make as much as the guys who work their asses off to get ahead

As far as sharing pollution goes, what's the alternative - living in caves? We also get to share the fuel and the other products, like the keyboard under your fingers

Unless people plan on giving up everything that they get from oil, they risk being exposed as hypocrites

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 4:54:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's either/or bullshit.

This is not the only option for oil, nor is it the only option for energy.

Meanwhile, clean air and clean water lack alternatives, and more and more people will need more and more clean air and clean water.

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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 5:02:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The President has little ability to impact the price of gasoline. There's plenty of shit to pile on Obama, but this isn't one of those turds.

Bullshit
Placing oil fields off limits through executive order, putting off the pipeline decision forever, directing his EPA goons and his IRS goons etc to crack down on every aspect of the energy industry, etc, are but a few of the ways Obama has driven fuel prices (and food prices, and electricity prices etc) to a six year high

US oil production is at an all time high at about 11 million bbls. a day. So talk about bullshit. Gas exports to prop up the price are at or near all time highs.
Obama has done none of the above as also reflected by all time high oil production from the gulf and in fact more off shore leasing then at any time. The pres. can't force them to drill and the oil co. doesn't want to yet, it may bring the price of oil down hey ??
Get a grip man.

Unless something drastic has happened in the last 3 months, we aren't much over 8.2 million bpd.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m

It should be obvious but I guess not... More and more people need more and more energy


It should be obvious that the latest assessment of US oil production was for March of 2014 and had it pegged at 8.191 million barrels per day. So, unless something drastic happened in the last 3 months and our oil production increased by about a third, we are not over 11 million barrels per day.

Yes, increasing populations make increasing energy demands. I'm not so sure that our increasing energy demand is increasing per person because energy efficient usage is a big demand from the market.


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RE: Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast... - 6/19/2014 5:06:29 PM   
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That's either/or bullshit.

This is not the only option for oil, nor is it the only option for energy.

Meanwhile, clean air and clean water lack alternatives, and more and more people will need more and more clean air and clean water.


I see

You want your keyboard AND you want to bitch and moan about oil

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