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What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 3:52:43 AM   
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It isn't pro-dom, and it isn't financial domination; so what is it?
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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 4:18:53 AM   
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I've always regarded it as derivative of pro-domme. Out of interest, and without snark, how do you distinguish between someone who accepts tribute and a pro-domme?



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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 4:26:11 AM   
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I consider pro-domination to be more about the needs of the sub, or at least equal relationship. Money is exchanged for a task, and both parties have expectations. Fin-dommes just do whatever the Hell they want with subs' money.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 4:35:33 AM   
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And then tribute lies more on the fin domme side thant the pro-domme side in your view?

And are you sure that in the case of fin-dommes, both parties don't benefit?

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 6:41:02 AM   
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quote:

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It isn't pro-dom, and it isn't financial domination; so what is it?



Tribute is by the two primary definitions:

1) an act, statement, or gift that is intended to show gratitude, respect, or admiration.
2) payment made periodically by one state or ruler to another, especially as a sign of dependence.


Both usages are in place in the BDSM world (and vanilla, really).

It can be something done or given to show how much one values or feels for the dominant (and it's put in that term rather than just "a present" due to there it most often being mixed in with the view of one as a form of ruler or owner or such). Such things can fall inside or outside a findom interaction or relationship.

It can be payment to a pro-dom or someone else who is providing services (many "findoms" are actually camgirls getting paid for their persona as findoms... which technically, thinking on it, makes them fall back into the pro-dom category).


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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 6:55:15 AM   
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My take:

A pro domme is a professional that, for more or less fixed rates, will perform specified acts with a sub.

Financial Domination is not well defined. It could simply involve tributes, which are voluntary gifts, monetary or otherwise. Or it could involve a sub surrendering full control of his or her finances and allowing a Domme to control them.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 6:57:00 AM   
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Its a euphemism for "payment"

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/2/2014 4:56:35 PM   
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Cash.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/3/2014 5:26:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RumpusParable

Tribute is by the two primary definitions:

1) an act, statement, or gift that is intended to show gratitude, respect, or admiration.
2) payment made periodically by one state or ruler to another, especially as a sign of dependence.

Both usages are in place in the BDSM world (and vanilla, really).

It can be something done or given to show how much one values or feels for the dominant (and it's put in that term rather than just "a present" due to there it most often being mixed in with the view of one as a form of ruler or owner or such). Such things can fall inside or outside a findom interaction or relationship.

It can be payment to a pro-dom or someone else who is providing services (many "findoms" are actually camgirls getting paid for their persona as findoms... which technically, thinking on it, makes them fall back into the pro-dom category).

Good explanation, Rumpus, and by its very nature, often a regularly scheduled offering extracted by one conquering nation over its conquered territories, tribute is customarily not an option.

I might add that it wasn't uncommon for neighboring countries to willingly offer tribute in many forms to a more powerful one in order to maintain an uneasy peace and to ward off conquest, thereby ensuring continued autonomy.

I can see why this parlance would enter into Domme/subs relations. Tribute doesn't necessary have to take monetary form, but that would be the most expedient form of currency. (I don't require this, but my cousin & I are probably exceptions to the rule.)
Currency is a medium of exchange. There must be quid pro quo in any "contractually" entered arrangement, verbally or otherwise. This arrangement can take the form of relationship, partnership, or "contractor/subcontractor" dynamic.
Domination is a valued commodity of sorts. Submission is valued by the Dominant, but in terms of supply and demand, Dominance (including much sought-after Topping skills) vastly outweighs the submission which is available.

In many cases, in order for a (mostly) male submissive to attract the attention of a Domme, much less get collared & owned by a Mistress, he needs to show serious intent and distinguish himself from the herd.
What most whiny (not just newbie) male submissives balk at doing is parting with their money. Therefore, it is a kind of Domination (like that of a more powerful, potentially conquering nation) to require monetary tribute.
What many of these submissives don't get is that tribute can be offered in other, more socially acceptable forms, and perhaps be of greater value to the Domme in bartered form.

Bartered form could be special services, skills, talents and abilities, acts of vanilla chivalry, making oneself of use and appreciating (raising) one's own self-worth in the eyes of the Dominant through creative means.
There are options. Like someone once said, everything is negotiable. You subfevered males jonesing to get your domination fix aren't going to get something - much less a scarce commodity - for nothing.
You wouldn't get into a vanilla woman's pants ordinarily without making an effort at sustained dating practices. We're still women, whether Dominant or S/switch or submissive, and men are still required to prove themselves worthy of our time, favor and affection.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/5/2014 10:35:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TuliTheUnruli

It isn't pro-dom, and it isn't financial domination; so what is it?


IMHO, since prostitution (sexual gratification for money involving touching buttocks, breasts, or genitalia) is mostly illegal in the US, tribute is most often used to ask for money. Just like roses are a metaphor for dollars.

Also IMHO, there is no such thing as financial domination. It's prostitution again. It always boils down to that, if there is technical touching of breasts, buttocks, or genitalia for the purpose of sexual gratification (of either party).

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 3:53:32 AM   
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How does one touch breast, ass, etc while online?

There IS a such thing as Financial domination bc I'm a fin Domme, and I dominate the finances of my slaves.
Therefore your opinion is proven wrong.
Perhaps you should review your definition of what a fin Domme is and does. Perhaps you just have the
wrong term.


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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 5:20:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TuliTheUnruli
I consider pro-domination to be more about the needs of the sub, or at least equal relationship. Money is exchanged for a task, and both parties have expectations. Fin-dommes just do whatever the Hell they want with subs' money.


Well it's certainly used as a euphemism for sex workers getting paid. I've heard professional "fin-dommes" claim there's something else where it's an independent fetish but fin-subs seem to be either nonexistent or not on the same page about that.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 5:26:56 AM   
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Funny but on the "is finDom a legit form of D/s" thread, my subs chimed in and certainly cleared things up.
I don't use it as a euphemism, I straight up tell them the business. There is no "doing things for money" as I've turned down money plenty of times. And there is no "doing for the subs kinks". It's about me, after all I am a dominant.

Do you consider a wife who takes care of the finances in a household a "sex worker"?
All finDommes are sex workers.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 4:18:35 PM   
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Do you consider a wife who takes care of the finances in a household a "sex worker"?


No, I also can't say that I've ever heard that referred to as "tribute" nor do I understand how such a division of labor could be referred to as "tribute".

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 4:25:04 PM   
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Funny but on the "is finDom a legit form of D/s" thread, my subs chimed in and certainly cleared things up.


Would you mind narrowing down what you're referring to a bit?

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 5:24:30 PM   
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Anyone remember the humdinger of an argument we had on this subject a few years ago? By god did that explode.


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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 5:38:03 PM   
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Anyone remember the humdinger of an argument we had on this subject a few years ago? By god did that explode.

Now we have a dungeon where we can test our ied's without letters with gold fringe.


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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 5:52:58 PM   
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Got steel, the thread was "is finDom a legit form of D/s". That's also the one Peon is referring to. Rochsub started it. I believe two or three of my slaves explained how it was a fetish, and thoughts etc.

I don't refer to the word tribute at all. I get bent out of shape when ignorant ppl (not you, another poster above)compare what I do to prostitution.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 6:45:20 PM   
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Was it that one, K? I thought it happened before your time here.

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RE: What is Tribute? - 7/6/2014 9:45:51 PM   
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Idk I thought I might have been, it was 70 something pages long.

If there was another, I'd be interested in reading it.

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