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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 8:31:10 AM

smileforme50

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Except that my concern isn't with the other woman. That would be my Master's job, and the other woman's job. How do you know she doesn't feel the same way about being with me and like me, is doing it ONLY to please her Master? If she is emotionally fragile then she should refuse to do anything with me. Which would certainly be no skin off my back. Problem solved.

Do correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that your perception of this hypothetical other woman and her motives are colored by yours. You're not into her, you're using her to please your Master, so it would follow that she is the same way.

But what if that isn't the case? What if he brings another woman into the mix who is genuinely interested in you both? And if she's as emotionally fragile ias you claim, backing out or communicating clearly can be harder than it sounds.

I've been in that situation. It's not pleasant to be used by someone for the sole purpose of getting someone else off. You definitely feel like less of a person. And even though I'm over what happened, and I know better now... doesn't make what happened acceptable.

If someone is in your bed, and you're doing sexual things to him/her, you have a responsibility to them. Even if you're not attracted to them or don't like them very much. If it's such an issue for you to give them some sort of consideration, you shouldn't be fucking them at all.

Why do I have any responsibility to someone if it was never my idea to do anything with her? Trust me.....she will know that I'm only there and doing anything with her because my Master wants me to. And if she knows that ahead of time then she has the option to say. "No" before we do anything.

Like I said.... If there is a risk of this being emotionally damaging to her, then she can always say "no ". I certainly won't be hurt.

< Message edited by smileforme50 -- 9/17/2014 8:36:41 AM >

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 8:55:07 AM

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Why do I have any responsibility to someone if it was never my idea to do anything with her?

Because you're agreeing and willing to do it. Doesn't matter if you like it or just doing it to make someone else happy.

Being a sub doesn't absolve you of responsibility for shit.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 8:57:43 AM

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~FRing it~

Meh, the day Ive got to give up having any sort of compassion, humanity, or empathy for the feelings of someone else just to satisfy the whim of some partner Im with is the day I give this shit up.

But then again, I'm looking at this very topic in the search my guy and I are on. We seek a third, but he and I both need to find that person appealing. And equally importantly, this person needs to find both of us appealing as well.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 9:06:05 AM

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Guys, lets go for gold and make this a nice even ten pages.
Anytime a thread hits 6 pages, all I want is for it to reach 10.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 9:13:51 AM

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The thing I'm not getting here is a sense of knowledge of the "right to refuse".

Michael can "force" his girls into breaking certain limits. It's been spoken of by others...submissive and dominant. Yet...there seems to be an issue over the idea of force. What we do isn't always pretty. And one of the complaints you hear on the boards, from male and female dominants...and not complaining but recognition of by the submissives... is the "do me" submissive who not only has a long list of what he/she wants done but an...at times...longer list of what they don't. Along with this is a "how to" guide of how these things are to be done. This is all wrapped up in a description of how the dominant will be strong enough to guide and nurture while making his will felt. His/her will? Or his/her will...as expressed and explained by the submissive?

Don't get me wrong...I respect HARD limits. But everything else is fair game, including things you hate. I am not the one "yielding my will to another" (some of you may want to read those words again)...you are. My view of D/s being that way doesn't make me an asshole. I've got past submissives who'll tell you they lived by that and I was a nice, nurturing guy...mindful not just of their needs but their wants and desires and fears...but also mindful of my own and of the fact that I was NOT in a vanilla, "let's talk something to death or til I lose interest in it" relationship. But...I was also mindful of the fact that no matter when or where I pushed them, they had the one thing that every submissive has. The Right to Refuse to submit...to anything.

Now then, where the relationship would go after that is anyone's guess. I never had it happen due to this insistence on being the dominant my way. Because I used the kind, curious, caring part of me to get what the savage beast in me wanted when it came to the harder stuff. The time it did happen was something easy that became a crystallization of all the reasons why relocation would not work for her and why the relationship itself no longer worked for me.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 9:15:25 AM

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Why do I have any responsibility to someone if it was never my idea to do anything with her?

Because you're agreeing and willing to do it. Doesn't matter if you like it or just doing it to make someone else happy.

Being a sub doesn't absolve you of responsibility for shit.

And I'm saying that she can always say. "No ". Why is that so difficult? I think the fact I am being honest about the way I feel IS being considerate of her. My only responsibility is letting her know how I feel. If she doesn't exercise her option to say "no", which is her responsibility, then that's her issue to deal with, not mine.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 9:51:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Guys, lets go for gold and make this a nice even ten pages.
Anytime a thread hits 6 pages, all I want is for it to reach 10.

You are one of those 'the glass is 60% full' kinda bisexuals, aren't you?

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 10:13:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Guys, lets go for gold and make this a nice even ten pages.
Anytime a thread hits 6 pages, all I want is for it to reach 10.

You are one of those 'the glass is 60% full' kinda bisexuals, aren't you?

I keep trying to come up with witty responses and failing.

You've got me pegged would be funny if I was a male sub- so I'm going with that.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 11:12:54 AM

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If they just let the cum drip out into their mouths can they still say they are not bi even though the other woman's cunt juices are mixed in? How much hot bi action makes em bi? If they lick the other girl off my fingers, does that make them sorta bi? Is it one lick or three that turns them gay?

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 11:28:46 AM

SeekingTrinity

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Ah, so you are one of those "the chick is half bi" kinda guys? I know a person is a pessimist if they see the glass as half empty and an optimist if they see the glass as half full. So does that make her pessimistically or optimistically bi?

So what happens if a chick sniffs the smell of another woman off someone's fingers? Does that trigger the body's immune system to create anti-bi antibodies?

< Message edited by SeekingTrinity -- 9/17/2014 11:29:18 AM >

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 12:42:07 PM

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If they just let the cum drip out into their mouths can they still say they are not bi even though the other woman's cunt juices are mixed in? How much hot bi action makes em bi? If they lick the other girl off my fingers, does that make them sorta bi? Is it one lick or three that turns them gay?

"Is it one lick or three....?"

Is that like "how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?"

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She could scream all she wanted…..I was keeping the umbrella.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 12:57:57 PM

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~FRing it~

Meh, the day Ive got to give up having any sort of compassion, humanity, or empathy for the feelings of someone else just to satisfy the whim of some partner Im with is the day I give this shit up.

But then again, I'm looking at this very topic in the search my guy and I are on. We seek a third, but he and I both need to find that person appealing. And equally importantly, this person needs to find both of us appealing as well.

That makes sense. But in my case I'm not talking about getting into a long term poly relationship with my Master and another sub. I'm simply talking about a one-off play session that he wants me to do. Now if he was talking about having multiple subs and expecting me to have regular intimate contact with her/them then I can understand needing to have more feeling for the other submissive. But in that case I would also need to actually enjoy it and consider myself to be bi. In the case I describe it is simply one of my firmer limits being pushed and me getting through it as best as I can.

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“Give it to me!” she yelled
“I’m so fucking wet! Give it to me now!”

She could scream all she wanted…..I was keeping the umbrella.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 1:02:07 PM

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Well after being away from this site along while, I remember this was one of the hottest subjects. I notice now no sign of it, so I wonder if its a fad just died or all those guys asking for it have accepted they are bi lol.

You serious, mate?

They've got pots to wash, floors to scrub, that sort of thing.

This is a tight fuckin' ship and there's no room for any sort of aspiration of pleasure.

When God made us in his image he didn't conceive of two fuckin' slavvering idiots.

He had in mind frugality, piety and Puritanism.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 1:22:45 PM

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I recently stopped interacting with a man I met from on here who constantly brought up the issue despite my having told him it was a hard limit for me. Really really tiresome and killed the whole thing for me. I want to be with someone who cares about my pleasure as well as their own, and I don't get pleasure out of someone trying to violate my hard limits. It makes me not trust them.

For me, being actually forced to go down on a woman WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD be extremely emotionally harmful. It is against the core of who I am and would damage me to have to do so, much as would a conventional rape. I would not be with someone who blithely informed me of how unlikely it would be to cause harm. Nor would I be with someone who gets their jollies from arbitrarily "pushing limits" as some on here seem to do.

I semi-relate to the idea that if a man is awesome enough, I would do things for and with him that I wouldn't normally do (rimming, for example, sounds gross and unhygienic, but I was seriously considering doing it with someone because I was crazy about him and he wanted me to). But bi contact IS NOT one of those things.

I find Doms who make a project of violating my limits to be extremely tiresome. Why someone would feel the desire to do that when I am so open to so many activities, is beyond me and indicates that we really aren't at all on the same page.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 1:27:37 PM

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Meh, you are all a bunch of pussies (some of you with only one labia lip)

Tap Tap Tap.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 4:19:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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~~FAST REPLY~~ C,mon peeps, just because someone obeys an order to have sex with another of the same gender does not MAKE them bi-sexual!
And the more hysterical certain posters become the more ya feed into Michael's sadistic side. Anyone who wants to risk infection, law suits etc for performing surgery without a license is nutty in my opinion, but it is their risk, not anyone else's.

Oh come on... a little dissection never hurt anyone

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 4:23:20 PM

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Step into my....surgical....suite, little girl.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 5:15:41 PM

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Forced plastic surgery? Breast augmentation? Anal bleaching? Lots of fun things to force someone to do against their will at gunpoint while they stand on a plank over a burning pit of crocodiles.

Or, submit to someone to whom you know going in enjoys pushing, who respects you, cares for you and is going to do as he pleases within the context of "don't break the magical toy"...

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 5:25:10 PM

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Forced plastic surgery? Breast augmentation? Anal bleaching? Lots of fun things to force someone to do against their will at gunpoint while they stand on a plank over a burning pit of crocodiles.

Or, submit to someone to whom you know going in enjoys pushing, who respects you, cares for you and is going to do as he pleases within the context of "don't break the magical toy"...

Hey...if I can find a Dom who is willing to pay for me to have liposuction, a tummy tuck, face lift, eyelid lift and a neck trim.....I'm IN! Sign me UP!

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She could scream all she wanted…..I was keeping the umbrella.

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RE: Forced Bi - 9/17/2014 5:26:59 PM

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FR - This discussion is interesting, and pulled me out of lurkerland. I am not bi, and I have been with a woman because someone I cared very much about pleasing desired it. It would have been a hard limit with anyone who did not know how to reach into my soul and make something I had no desire to do ever - something I was happy to do for him.

Didn't turn me gay. Would take that kind of amazing connection for me to consider doing it again, and truly I would not want to be with someone who could not make something so not in my nature right and fulfilling.

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