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Did I mention that I like to cut off women's left labias?

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Did I mention that I like to cut off women's left labias?

Is that to always make sure you have the 'right' cunt??

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Did I mention that I like to cut off women's left labias?

Is that to always make sure you have the 'right' cunt??

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Did I mention that I like to cut off women's left labias?

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ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Did I mention that I like to cut off women's left labias?

Is that to always make sure you have the 'right' cunt??

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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

All depends though on how each of us views limits in general. For some of us, there are soft and hard limits. My guy and I both have them. Hard limits are "oh hell no, never ever"...but soft limits are "let's check it out, but be extra careful."

So perhaps it really comes down to asking ourselves if we see it as limit/no limit or hard limit/soft limit. If we see it as limit/no limit...you can't really accuse people (like me or my guy) of not giving a shit about someone's limit because we see it as soft limit/hard limit.

I sadly have no dick to flap though

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Did I mention that I like to cut off women's left labias?

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~FRing it~

All depends though on how each of us views limits in general. For some of us, there are soft and hard limits. My guy and I both have them. Hard limits are "oh hell no, never ever"...but soft limits are "let's check it out, but be extra careful."

So perhaps it really comes down to asking ourselves if we see it as limit/no limit or hard limit/soft limit. If we see it as limit/no limit...you can't really accuse people (like me or my guy) of not giving a shit about someone's limit because we see it as soft limit/hard limit.

I sadly have no dick to flap though

And perhaps that should of been stated right from the offset. The word 'LIMIT' was used and in my book that is the 'NO GO AREA'. Unfortunately the more recent words 'soft limits', has had a tendency to confuse what can actually be pushed and what can't.

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Going down on a woman is not going to kill anyone, not going to "make them gay" and unlikely to result in emotional harm.

If this was true then the corollary is that having unwanted heterosexual sex would be unlikely to result in emotional harm also. Ask any rape victim how true that is.

Being coerced or manipulated to have unwanted sex is probably one of the highest causes of emotional harm imaginable. Just because it's woman on woman doesn't magically mean she'll be fine.

If she is fine with it, then she's bicurious at the least and simply didn't tell you how she felt.

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.... I've been reading this thread and haven't had time to respond until now, and I have to say something....

Personally, I am NOT bi and have absolutely no interest whatsoever in touching any part of another woman's body with any part of my own body. It would literally make me gag.

BUT....

In the very short time I have been "actively" involved in this lifestyle (I hate that word but don't know what else to call it...) I have met a few pretty awesome guys and (I assume) because of my submissive nature and the fact that I really liked these men and I enjoyed seeing them happy, I have pushed a few of my harder limits. Sometimes it ended up in disaster, although I wasn't emotionally scarred forever over it. Sometimes it ended up where I discovered I DID actually enjoy the activity a hell of a lot more than I ever expected. MOST of the time, it becomes a "meh"....something I can do on a rare occasion if he REALLY wants it. And even as much as I may have really liked the man to do that "thing" for him, I usually expressed my unhappiness about doing it ....rolling my eyes....heavy sigh..."ugh...really? this is really what you want?".....then gritted my teeth and held my breath until it was all over.


So now it has only been in the last couple of months that I have been even mildly considering the possibility of being with another woman. I still absolutely hate the idea and it makes my skin crawl and feeling like I want to dry heave, but I also know, that it isn't something that is going to cause me injury (physical....I guess I'm pretty resilient emotionally so I'm not worried about that). But I know (certainly at this point) that just because I may decide to submit to his wish and get intimate with another woman, this isn't automatically mean that I am "bi". It will simply mean that I am doing something my Master wants me to do. (And trust me....this is something I won't do unless/until we are in a serious Master/slave, 24/7 relationship).

Am I bi? NO. Would I "consider" getting intimate with another woman to please the right Master that I trusted enough? Yes. Would I enjoy it? Probably not. Does that make me bi? I don't think so. Now if I do discover by some weird aligning of the stars that DO enjoy it, then I will change my label and say that I am bi. But I think whether or not a person is "bi" is dictated by the level of enjoyment out of it....not the fact that they merely did something that homosexuals and bisexuals do.

And I have to say one more thing....

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FWIW Michael, I totally got what you were saying from the start.

Good, I mean I used to enjoy this place but wow, the negativity and vitriol is a bit much! I write a paragraph saying how careful I am, how nurturing, how skillful, and they ignore all that, project their own issues and focus on one word...

The negativity and vitriol and general cuntiness are limited to just a few special folk. The majority are fine. Exercise that hide button (love that thing) and stick around!

My guess is that he's going to stick around (and that he's known about the "ignore button" for many years...)

What's amazing to me though is that this is someone who in one breath says that he doesn't give a flying fuck about a woman's limits, and then says how "nurturing" he is. I would venture to say that I'm not the first person who's called him on this, and I won't be the first person to be ignored (at best). But, that seems to be what happens when one doesn't take time for introspection.

And, to SpritiedSub, general "cuntiness"??? Because people don't agree with a Dom?? Wow..can't imagine the subs you get involved with if you bring out that terminology on a thread like this...

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~FRing it~

All depends though on how each of us views limits in general. For some of us, there are soft and hard limits. My guy and I both have them. Hard limits are "oh hell no, never ever"...but soft limits are "let's check it out, but be extra careful."

So perhaps it really comes down to asking ourselves if we see it as limit/no limit or hard limit/soft limit. If we see it as limit/no limit...you can't really accuse people (like me or my guy) of not giving a shit about someone's limit because we see it as soft limit/hard limit.

I sadly have no dick to flap though

And perhaps that should of been stated right from the offset. The word 'LIMIT' was used and in my book that is the 'NO GO AREA'. Unfortunately the more recent words 'soft limits', has had a tendency to confuse what can actually be pushed and what can't.

That is exactly why I said this. Because some see it as black and white, while others have dynamics with more leeway. Neither is wrong so long as the parties involved in the dynamic see limits in the same way.

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I have bolded the relevant bits for what I'm going to say.

I'm pleased you have met someone who you obviously care about and I hope you will both continue to grow and your relationship will flourish.

What concerns me is your very obvious revolution towards anything sexual with another woman and let me tell you why. If and when you do get with another woman, and for her sake I sincerely hope you never do, you must first understand that this is no longer just about you and him, this is about her as well. No man wants to have a sexual encounter with a woman who finds him revolting. no woman, even a lesbian, wants to have a sexual encounter with another woman who is revolted by her. She deserves more. If you can pretend otherwise then you conned her. I'm horrified that even with such a clear dislike you are still prepared to use a third party for his pleasure...Think about it.

Also, you haven't pushed your harder limits, you have pushed your softer limits or perhaps the harder soft limits. A hard limit means "Absolutely no trespassing" or at least it should if its going to keep the same meaning it was made for.

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Except that my concern isn't with the other woman. That would be my Master's job, and the other woman's job. How do you know she doesn't feel the same way about being with me and like me, is doing it ONLY to please her Master? If she is emotionally fragile then she should refuse to do anything with me. Which would certainly be no skin off my back. Problem solved.

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~~FAST REPLY~~ C,mon peeps, just because someone obeys an order to have sex with another of the same gender does not MAKE them bi-sexual!
And the more hysterical certain posters become the more ya feed into Michael's sadistic side. Anyone who wants to risk infection, law suits etc for performing surgery without a license is nutty in my opinion, but it is their risk, not anyone else's.

Oh come on... a little dissection never hurt anyone

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