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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 12:46:47 PM   
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I did, what you don't comprehend is that to have those protections you have to be part of an actual army, not a bloodthirsty terrorists. Another case of you pretending things are as you want them to be, not as they are.

Wrong!!
You don't have to be part of an army to be a PoW. Civilians can be too.
And, you have to prove that they are illegal combatants by tribunal otherwise they (an irregular force) still have protection as a PoW under GC.


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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 12:51:27 PM   
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So you're saying Israel should fire one rocket into Gaza for every rocket fired into Israel? Would that be "proportional"?

Israel should follow Hamas's lead and fire rockets indiscriminately into Gaza, thats your opinion there Dwarf?

Where did I say anything of the sort??

I am saying, as are just about everyone outside the US (including the UN and human rights organizations), that response should be proportional.

And Israel DO attack indiscriminately at civilian targets that are known not to have Hamas in occupation.
And, what's more, they overdo it by at least 25-to-1.
But.... Americans believe the Israeli PR shit and think they don't.



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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 1:03:19 PM   
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When attacked, any response should be overwhelming and severely punishing so as to win the war and dissuade further attacks



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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 2:07:08 PM   
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Jon Snow, of C4 News, on the Children of Gaza.

http://www.channel4.com/news/the-children-of-gaza-jon-snow-video

I should say, this is a veteran news reporter. I've been watching his broadcasts for decades. I've never seen him talk like this before.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 2:12:45 PM   
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Israel should follow Hamas's lead and fire rockets indiscriminately into Gaza, thats your opinion there Dwarf?

As opposed to targeting hospitals and schools...even a mall cop should be able to figure that one out.



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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 2:15:55 PM   
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Translation I kick your ass.


You could not kick the ass of a simpleton from idaho.
You are a phoquing laughing stock.
No one takes your idiotic post seriously.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 2:21:53 PM   
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I did, what you don't comprehend is that to have those protections you have to be part of an actual army, not a bloodthirsty terrorists.

Kinda like sam adams,george washington, patrick henry and thier possie. Parliment was pretty precise in the language they used to describe our founders. Pretty much like the rhetoric you use and for the same reason. Get a phoquing history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade. Stop this idiotic game of "how obtuse can bamad petend to be"



Another case of you pretending things are as you want them to be, not as they are.

Actually it is thee who is acting like things are other than they are. Seeking to get others to believe your moronic puerile nonsense.


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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 2:23:48 PM   
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When attacked, any response should be overwhelming and severely punishing so as to win the war and dissuade further attacks

So you are all in favor of how the govt handled ruby ridge and waco?
Who gnu?





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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 2:32:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD.

Let us pretend that this absurd typecasting is reversed. Would it then be ok for Jews to exterminate Arabs?


The history of that conflict since 1947 would seem to substantiate your position that the jews have a right to exterminate those whose land they occupy.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 3:01:52 PM   
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Jon Snow, of C4 News, on the Children of Gaza.
http://www.channel4.com/news/the-children-of-gaza-jon-snow-video
I should say, this is a veteran news reporter. I've been watching his broadcasts for decades. I've never seen him talk like this before.


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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 3:06:41 PM   
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He's a busy guy, our Jon Snow.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 3:34:03 PM   
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So you're saying Israel should fire one rocket into Gaza for every rocket fired into Israel? Would that be "proportional"?

Israel should follow Hamas's lead and fire rockets indiscriminately into Gaza, thats your opinion there Dwarf?

Where did I say anything of the sort??

I am saying, as are just about everyone outside the US (including the UN and human rights organizations), that response should be proportional.

And Israel DO attack indiscriminately at civilian targets that are known not to have Hamas in occupation.
And, what's more, they overdo it by at least 25-to-1.
But.... Americans believe the Israeli PR shit and think they don't.




You do know what a question mark is, dontcha? I asked if a rocket for a rocket was proportional, it's a simple question for most people to answer. And frankly Hamas the Palestinians and Israel can blow the fuck up out of each other, I really couldn't give two shits.


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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 3:41:54 PM   
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Do you know what a rhetorical question is? Because yours certainly reads that way.


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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 4:07:58 PM   
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So you're saying Israel should fire one rocket into Gaza for every rocket fired into Israel? Would that be "proportional"?

Israel should follow Hamas's lead and fire rockets indiscriminately into Gaza, thats your opinion there Dwarf?

Where did I say anything of the sort??

I am saying, as are just about everyone outside the US (including the UN and human rights organizations), that response should be proportional.

And Israel DO attack indiscriminately at civilian targets that are known not to have Hamas in occupation.
And, what's more, they overdo it by at least 25-to-1.
But.... Americans believe the Israeli PR shit and think they don't.



How do you know that they target non military targets, do you get rid a longs in their bombers. We do know that Hamas avoids military targets.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 4:11:50 PM   
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BBC headline

Israel breaks ceasefire amid rocket attacks from Gaza

Hamas started firing rockets in to Israel and the Israelis shooting down the rockets meant they broke the ceasefire?
Yep BBC is real balanced.


Can someone tell this arsehole if he is blaming the BBC he needs to find the actual report and watch it. The BBC didnt say Israel broke the ceasefire, they said the exact opposite. So much for anyone stating the truth being antisemitic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28508970

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 4:36:16 PM   
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So after being proven to be wrong you simply pivot to another claim. No admission or retraction you just keep attacking. And you wonder why people think you are pro Hamas?

And you think your links and opinions don't require scrutiny??
Bama is just as bad.

Gaza is a tiny strip of land barely 25 miles long and 11 miles wide.
It has an estimated 1.8 million people living there and is the most densely populated area in the world.
There's nowhere the Palestinians can live without being on top of one another.
There is also nowhere for Hamas to operate away from civilians either.

I already proved that to be untrue. Why do you keep making that claim?

Did you actually READ what I posted??

just because you claim it doesn't make it true. Gaza is not wall to wall people. I've already in this thread shown that it includes empty space that Hamas could launch rockets from. If you're too obtuse to understand that fact after I've repeated it twice I'll repeat it again.

The old Jewish settlements have not been rebuilt. Hamas could do their thing from one of those. Not they would last long in the open but international law doesn't give a crap about that. All it cares about is that they not use civilians to protect them from the rightful wrath of the attacked party.

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And, just on the other side of the coin, Israel has all it's commanders and military sites embedded within dense populations of their citizens too.
another lie. Israel has quite clearly marker and delineated military bases as required by international law.
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So how can Israel be right and Hamas be wrong??
Both of the military encampments are within the civilian population.

because you are full of shit. point to one Hamas military base. Just one.

They don't have a military base because they are not a unified army. Duh!!

actually they claim to. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.
Every attack they launch from inside a civilian area is a war crime period. Every retaliation against them after an attack launched from a civilian area is a war crime that is their responsibility, the Geneva Convention makes that clear (I even quoted the relevant section up thread).

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/27/2014 4:39:09 PM   
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I did, what you don't comprehend is that to have those protections you have to be part of an actual army, not a bloodthirsty terrorists. Another case of you pretending things are as you want them to be, not as they are.

Wrong!!
You don't have to be part of an army to be a PoW. Civilians can be too.
And, you have to prove that they are illegal combatants by tribunal otherwise they (an irregular force) still have protection as a PoW under GC.


Nope.
I already showed that by the rules of the 3rd GC Hamas fighters are eligible for summary execution when captured.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/28/2014 1:37:20 AM   
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As has been pointed out Hamas store weapons in hospitals so Israel has little choice but to attack hospitals. If Hamas didn't want their people killed they would not store weapons there and they wouldn't launch attacks from inside civilian areas. They are the ones that violate the GC every time they fire a rocket. Israel has the absolute right to retaliate once the rocket is fired.

Where can Hamas store their weapons Ken??
There just isn't anywhere outside of populated areas because it's sooo densely populated.

I agree, Hamas violate the GC every time they fire a rocket.
But there again, so do Israel by not keeping retaliation in proportion.
Israel also attack civilian places that have been pointed out to them that Hamas do NOT occupy.
What's more, the IDF have been given some very precise coordinates but Israel still attack innocent civilians.

So who is violating the GC more than the other??
You Americans swallow the Israeli PR shit hook line and sinker and the arm holding the rod!!

It is a fact that Israel has destroyed one hospital completely and damaged others severely with air and artillery attacks. I imagine most if not all of us have seen the footage of devastated hospital buildings.

The Israelis claim that Hamas uses hospitals to store arms. I haven't seen any evidence to support this claim. AFAIK, Israel hasn't released any. We should also note that initially Israel tried to blame Hamas rockets "falling short" for the attack on the Al-Wafa hospital before accepting that Israel carried out the attack. I have seen statements from the hospitals denying categorically that Hamas is using them as arms dumps or sites for launching rockets.

We should note that the Israeli claims are from the same source that insisted Hamas is using human shields when all the independent evidence points to the contrary, as posted and linked above. We should note that DK parroted these false claims without offering any evidence independent or otherwise in support of his claims. We should also note that, to date, DK has offered zero evidence to support his claim that Hamas is using hospitals as arms dumps/launching sites. So we only have DK's unsupported word for it. Hardly an independent and most definitely not a reliable source.

Unless Israel can produce some compelling evidence to support its claims, is there any reason why these gruesome attacks should not be considered as outright war crimes? Imagine the outcry if a Hamas rocket landed on an Israeli hospital. The Israelis go ballistic and they would would have every justification to do so.

The world has every right to go ballistic at Israel for attacking hospitals unless it can produce evidence to support its claims. Unless there is compelling evidence to support the Israeli claims, attacking hospitals is totally unacceptable.

No civilised person can defend deliberately targeting and bombarding hospitals, no civilised country would do it.

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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/28/2014 8:47:17 AM   
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just because you claim it doesn't make it true. Gaza is not wall to wall people. I've already in this thread shown that it includes empty space that Hamas could launch rockets from. If you're too obtuse to understand that fact after I've repeated it twice I'll repeat it again.

Just because you regurgitate moronic lies, that anyone with a three digit iq and a pulse can see through ,does not make them true.
You seem to want marquis of queensbury rules when it suits you but not when your possie breaks them.




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RE: The current middle eastern crisis is Israels fault... - 7/28/2014 8:55:54 AM   
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I already showed that by the rules of the 3rd GC Hamas fighters are eligible for summary execution when captured.


Just like parliment did with washington,adams, henry et al.
You have shown that the rules allow your possie to murder whom they choose.
Get a history book and see how this shit actually plays out. In the u.s. civil war the north decided to sumarily execute members of so called "gurrilla" combatant units led by john mosby. Mosby retaliated by executing northern prisioners, is that what you seek?...so in your bloodthirsty rush to vindicate your possie you invite a senseless bloodbath...too bad your lack of balls prevents you from obtaining a ring side seat for the slaughter.


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