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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 12:26:10 AM   
MzMinx


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fast reply to OP

is there a maledom category ? or is it only the fact females need to be separated out ... isn't spanking .. anal play etc just as much part of what might happen in a female led relationship as a male one ... ???? I think you are only looking at hetro sites which are predominantly set up for males.

Femdom as a porn category is a specific set of activities, its a sub set of what some porn makers think submissive (or actually mostly fetish and kink fantasists) males want and what those males pay for. it has little relevance to what dominant woman enjoy.

But aside from porn being activities that are done to bad scripting purely for sexual arousal (to those it does) they are no more a guide to a relationship than they are for male led relationships.

as a woman who is dominant ... I do not look to porn to define my relationships even if I can enjoy watching an activity .... which by the way I happen to enjoy male on male far more than female dominant to male .. as gay male submissive are generally sexier and I have no interest in watching woman in fetish gear, because "gasp" its not my thing .. sorry to blow your theory that my dominance and desires have anything to do with a particlar porn category



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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 12:15:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Because they are afraid of their own submissive urges. And/or their sexual desires and longings.

Therefore, they want to see an forcefully aggressive woman take control of them, so that they can be recused of personal responsibility for themselves.




Totally off topic, but that's one of the reasons many bottoms enjoy restraint. Good girls (and boys) don't and if 'forced' then you can enjoy it without guilt.

However, it's not a way to live. It is a way to ask for something that you're nervous about. Because if you're unable to move, then you can't do it wrong. You can learn what your partner enjoys without worrying about doing the wrong thing and ruining a new scene for them.

And after a few times, if you still have worries and anxiety and aren't doing it solely because it's enjoyable, then it's time to go talk out your issues with someone. BDSM isn't therapy, sex or otherwise.

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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 2:46:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MauiDreams

Oh for the love of all that is holy. YES, we are saying that all FemDom porn is unrealistic. It is written by men, for men, with the goal of pandering to a man's fantasies and fetishes. It has no relation whatsoever to what a female led relationship will look like in it's entirety.


For the most part, yes. But there are a few women, such as Pandora Blake and Amy Helsing, that are making films.

This is not about femdom, but I've resented how spanking movies' content is driven by what male viewers, most of whom I'll wager have never given a spanking in their lives, are willing to pay for, and many newbies believe that that's what the dynamic is like. Actually, 98% of the spankings I've given have nothing to do with punishment. As a Dom, I resent the movies' implication that I need a punishment reason to spank my woman - I'll spank her if I darn well please.

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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 2:48:57 PM   
Galacia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
If people weren't buying porn, kink.com wouldn't be a thriving business.

Do you know how much porn is out there?
Some claim to know, others don't, but it's a big number nonetheless.

All I can say is there are a lot of women (mostly) out there selling their bodies, with the result that I have probably stared at intimate details of a few thousand pussies and double that many breasts, over the years, and every one of them is still very interesting!

Even so, there's never a need to pay for it, anymore than there's a need buy something from a spam email, nor to chat with that inane chat thing that pops up at the bottom left of your screen, nor to ever fall for an online Mistress (which is akin to being the Nigerian bank letter of Collarme) .... yet, I'm sure people do all those, and more (or they wouldn't be in business).

Just pick a single aggregator web site (say, for an on-topic example, femdom tube 1, or femdom tube 2, or femdom tube 3 or femdom tube 4 or femdom tube 5, et al.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Now this is your mistake. Real fetishists are almost universally male. If you absolutely need something to be aroused, that's a fetish and as far as I know, only men have them.

Now that, is an interesting perspective on the question!

While it's probably true that most women wouldn't care to look at one cock shot, let alone thousands upon thousands, while some men (at least the horny ones) could (and do) enjoy looking at at as many as they can handle, noting the intricately subtle and deliciously variant differences between every single woman's vagina, and breasts, whether in the flesh or in the porny imagination (anchored on the visual stimuli).

I noticed in your explanation that the women didn't feed on the man's body, so, that could be one reason why women don't favor porn (since porn is visual, as we can pretty much forget about the dubbed un-synced auditory screaming).

So, do I understand you yet, that, given my hypothesis that the porn I know is "realistic" as I know real life (for the most part, it uses the same equipment, has the same type and number of people, and has the same activities (all within reason, as I'm not talking about Japanese tentacle porn) - yet - the Femdom porn (that I don't know) is universally deprecated by those who should know (the Dommes themselves), that, the reason for this accuracy skew is that women don't make the porn nor watch the porn?

Hmmmm.... I'm not so sure that's the reason (or maybe I misunderstood your explanation).

I'll read on, but the assumption that I have (and I'm not inexperienced in your typical Dom/sub relationship), is that "most" porn is pretty realistic. Yes, every one of us can find unrealistic examples. I mean, I realize women don't just go to a party so that a guy wearing a dancing bear outfit can get blowjobs, one by one, from every one of them, and, we all know the casting couch and latin maid (and kink.com for that matter) porn is all staged..

But, if you look at a spanking video, or at an anal gaping video, or at an Asian Street Meat video, or most MILF videos, and almost every rope-only bondage video (well, I still don't get the point of Shibari), all of us have that same equipment, the same nipple clamps, the same dildo gags, the same rope, the same whips, the same blindfolds, the same bridles, etc., and we all use them the exact same way as in most kinky porn such as bondage porn.

Yet, Femdom porn is univerally deprecated by women who would, should, and certainly do know!
I'm just trying to figure out why this one class of porn is dead wrong, while (most of) the other classes are reasonably accurate.

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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 4:02:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
sure you can learn a new tie or a style of manipulation or a toy / change up, as in how to tie cocks up in several ways, or how to restrain in different settings, ways to use clamps you might not have heard of

Exactly. I learn a lot from porn. Hell, half my toy bag was bought because I saw it used on the net in porn, and I searched for it afterward. I have learned about 1/4 of what I know about fetishes from porn, most of those I'll never try (and don't want to try, like that elasticator video).

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Ive watched a lot of femdom porn) I find them hugely boring, I listened and watched one at double speed...the soundtrack was abysmal, she called him a worm 43 times, in twenty minutes. so I watch with the sound off. but unrealistic to dommes, totally its all male driven.... how many times do you NOT have a money shot?


Hmmm.. I've seen a lot of femdom porn where the guy's cock is never even touched, so, I'm not sure about that money-shot thing. Often he's in a cage, and when his cock is touched, it's to taunt him that he can't cum, so, I'm not so sure there are many money shots in Femdom porn (maybe that's the problem?).

The cum shots I see are when the guy is "allowed" to cum on her leg, and then has to lick it up, or, he's cleaning the cream pie off of her from another guy.

Although, I'm totally with you on the audio quality of most porn videos (of all categories), although I find Mood Pictures (especially the castings) and Lupus Films quite reasonable in terms of audio quality and realism.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I like to torture for hours, not minutes, I like to remind him of things throughout the day, not spend ten minutes telling him how small his dick is then letting him cum... meh

I do understand what one person said, and you reiterate here, which is that Femdom takes hours, for the most part, (e.g., doing the dishes and cleaning the kitchen), but, rest assured there are plenty of Femdom porn films where one person is sweeping the kitchen floor with a broom which is either in one hole or the other, and it's a guy doing it so he only has two.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I have a lot of femdom movies... Im a do-er not a watcher ...I agree with Des, that it gives a lot of men an unrealistic idea of how to interact with real women


Wow. I had not expected a woman to have Femdom porn.
Forgetting that you're not a watcher, per se, is it that the 'acts' the men are performing are not realistic?
Or, is it the things the women ask for, which is not realistic? (tantamount to the same thing in D/s play)
Or, do you feel it's the equipment that's all wrong?
Or, simply that the warmth and emotion of the Femdom relationship isn't portrayed accurately?

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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 4:13:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
It's a fantasy, a manmade scripted fantasy where you don't have to any of the actual work to relate to *real* flesh-and-blood women. ... a fast food drive-thru experience where you didn't have to do any of the legwork to shop for groceries (wooing), prepare a meal from fresh ingredients (romance or courting), follow a recipe (dating) do any prep work (mental foreplay/physical foreplay), cooking (making love), garnishing (cuddling), or clean-up (follow-up).


Wow. Just wow.
Although you forgot the best part which is the guy can just turn off the computer and smoke a cigarette after the 15 minutes of fast-food Femdom porn has taken its toll on his imagination. :)

Seriously though, what you wrote is very mind opening.
And, since it's my premise that non-femdom porn is more realistic than Femdom porn (although that's open to debate), what you wrote about the man being afraid of his submissive tendencies can revel in being made to be "her bitch" in the movies, since, let's face it, guys (at least this guy) insert themselves into the movie for the male character.

[Although, I may embarrassingly admit when it's female-to-female Femdom porn, I can easily see myself inserting myself in either role.]

So, if we summarize perhaps far too succinctly, Femdom porn is:
a) By men for men (as is all porn), but specifically for submissive men who are ashamed of their submission,
b) Unrealistic of the building of the relationship between Woman and man,
c) And, 15 minute clips of what submissive men wish women would do to them (ala a fetish delivery system).

Is that (almost certainly too short) summary about it for why Femdom porn is, (I assert) far less realistic than run-of-the-mill porn?

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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 4:16:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Galacia


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
sure you can learn a new tie or a style of manipulation or a toy / change up, as in how to tie cocks up in several ways, or how to restrain in different settings, ways to use clamps you might not have heard of

Exactly. I learn a lot from porn. Hell, half my toy bag was bought because I saw it used on the net in porn, and I searched for it afterward. I have learned about 1/4 of what I know about fetishes from porn, most of those I'll never try (and don't want to try, like that elasticator video).

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Ive watched a lot of femdom porn) I find them hugely boring, I listened and watched one at double speed...the soundtrack was abysmal, she called him a worm 43 times, in twenty minutes. so I watch with the sound off. but unrealistic to dommes, totally its all male driven.... how many times do you NOT have a money shot?


Hmmm.. I've seen a lot of femdom porn where the guy's cock is never even touched, so, I'm not sure about that money-shot thing. Often he's in a cage, and when his cock is touched, it's to taunt him that he can't cum, so, I'm not so sure there are many money shots in Femdom porn (maybe that's the problem?).

The cum shots I see are when the guy is "allowed" to cum on her leg, and then has to lick it up, or, he's cleaning the cream pie off of her from another guy.

Although, I'm totally with you on the audio quality of most porn videos (of all categories), although I find Mood Pictures (especially the castings) and Lupus Films quite reasonable in terms of audio quality and realism.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I like to torture for hours, not minutes, I like to remind him of things throughout the day, not spend ten minutes telling him how small his dick is then letting him cum... meh

I do understand what one person said, and you reiterate here, which is that Femdom takes hours, for the most part, (e.g., doing the dishes and cleaning the kitchen), but, rest assured there are plenty of Femdom porn films where one person is sweeping the kitchen floor with a broom which is either in one hole or the other, and it's a guy doing it so he only has two.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I have a lot of femdom movies... Im a do-er not a watcher ...I agree with Des, that it gives a lot of men an unrealistic idea of how to interact with real women


Wow. I had not expected a woman to have Femdom porn.
Forgetting that you're not a watcher, per se, is it that the 'acts' the men are performing are not realistic?
Or, is it the things the women ask for, which is not realistic? (tantamount to the same thing in D/s play)
Or, do you feel it's the equipment that's all wrong?
Or, simply that the warmth and emotion of the Femdom relationship isn't portrayed accurately?




I could give two shits about "femdom porn." It's marketed to men. Pure and simple. There are two kinds of "porn" (or femdom 'erotica') I will watch.

First are very sensual, realistic depictions of power exchange. See "Punish Me" - the black and white film. Look it up.

Second - I will watch gay male bondage porn. Like tieguyuk or Bondage Jeopardy. The FOCUS of this smut is on the male who is helpless, not on the acts of the top. The man must be attractive, sensual in his helplessness, and the focus is on his predicament and how he reacts. Places like bound gods on kink.com is ok, but it's super focused on cock-in-ass or closeups of cock-in-mouth and a lot of grunting and groaning -- meh. I prefer helpless, hot men in bondage, suffering with vulnerability. Bondage Jeopardy nails it. it's also playful.

When I really have an itch to be scratched, I get a guy to film it for me. I make a request, send him the toys. These are men I have a personal connection with so it means something. The surrender is for ME.

A guy sweeping the kitchen floor with a broom in his ass? Really? And this is supposed to appeal to women who have a penchant for men who tidy up or do chores? I'll pay a made and just fuck his ass with my strapon -- why waste time with a broom up his ass. That's just plain comical. Do you believe femdoms who want chores done think, "Hmm, maybe I will have him shove a broom up his ass to sweet, that will work."

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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 4:31:51 PM   
Galacia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MauiDreams
YES, we are saying that all FemDom porn is unrealistic. It is written by men, for men, with the goal of pandering to a man's fantasies and fetishes. It has no relation whatsoever to what a female led relationship will look like in it's entirety.


I think you missed the ironic sarcasm in my first post.
I knew that.

The question I'm pondering isn't really why Femdom porn is unrealistic so much as why is other porn far more realistic than Femdom porn is (although, I really do want to ask the question about why so much licking of feet).

quote:

ORIGINAL: MauiDreams
you've got such a hard time grasping how you're watching a fantasy come to life on a screen which has no bearing on actual real life events.

You have to accept my initial premise to understand the question.
And, I do realize that my initial premise could be wrong, in that "other" porn is actually somewhat more realistic.

One question, (really):
Do you women really enjoy men licking your feet so much?

(I really that is a dumb question, but it's the most common thing shown so any elucidation of why you like or don't like that would be edifying.)


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RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 5:19:06 PM   
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I'm taking the liberty of adding numbers to this list, to avoid endless quote boxes as I reply.
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ORIGINAL: Galacia

OK. So I finally figured out what femdom really means (or, um, at least I think I did).

Based on my comprehensive search of the scientific literature (ok, ok, all I did was watch porn videos on the web), femdom apparently means (in no particular order yet):
1
  • A lot of sniffing and licking of feet
    2
  • Way more kicking of the balls than kissing and fondling them
    3
  • Wearing of a black face mask, and getting slapped (or kicked) in the face, repeatedly
    4
  • Having smoke blown in your face, and your mouth used as an ashtray
    5
  • Speaking of tongues, there's precious little booby and pussy licking (surprisingly)
    6
  • The tongue is mostly used for feet (and butts) < == yes, both kinds of butts
    7
  • Did I mention a lot of sniffing and licking of women's feet?
    8
  • Whipping of buttocks and a lot of kicking and squeezing of sensitive balls
    9
  • Not much face sitting - must be more work than blowing smoke in someone's face
    10
  • There's something about high heels being pushed into balls and walking on people's back that I don't understand
    11
  • Some ureter penetration (sounds) and a lot of strapon butt fucking
    12
  • Licking of shoes, and cum dribbles, and creampie cleanup, and, in general, licking of any spilled fluid
    13
  • Training on all fours, with collars and leashes
    14
  • Girls in tag teams, doing, well, I'm not sure what - but they laugh a lot - and hit the guy a few times - and then giggle anew
    15
  • Spit. What's with all this spit? They spit to lube the dildo, ok, but there's a lot of spitting into mouths
    16
  • Kneeing men in the balls is second only to kicking them in teams of girls
    17
  • There are some service-related tasks, like doing the dishes, but not enough really to call it out as a genre
    18
  • There are a few nipple twists and ruined orgasmic CFNM handjobs, but not really enough to call it out
    19
  • Every once in a while, you see a guy obediently sitting there getting repeatedly kicked in the face
    20
  • Most of the time, it's just the femdom sitting on a couch with the submissive kneeling or otherwise acting as a foot stool
    21
  • There are a few cuckold scenes, mostly where the guys cleans up after another guy has done his business
    22
  • It's amazing how HUGE some of those dildoes are though! Whew!
    23
  • There is some small-penis humiliation but most of the guys have tiny penises to start with (no long john silvers here)
    24
  • There are a few female-to-female femdom activities, but they don't seem to be any different, so I don't call them out
    25
  • There were a few fucking machines, but, you just know they're all staged since men build this stuff mostly
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  • I'd say more than half the women look bored in these films, and many look at the camera - so horror upon horror - they're staged
    27
  • There is a lot less cross-dressing sissy-boy barbie doll stuff than I would have thought big girls would wish to do
    28
  • There is some pony play, and barking pet stuff, but not a whole lot of animal training overall
    29
  • There is a lot of licking the bottom of dirty shoes, and, surprisingly, a ton of six-inch heels being polished with the male tongue
    30
  • There are some hanging of heavy weights, locked in stocks, and other contraptional stuff, most of which you know men designed
    31
  • There's a hellova lot more scatting and pissing than there is kissing, which is one of the more surprising observations
    32
  • In fact, there's almost no kissing whatsoever. No cuddling. No soft caresses (that don't end up in orgasm denial anyway)
    33
  • The number of blowjobs is so low as to be statistically insignificant (the men are often told to jack themselves off)
    34
  • The main words spoken by the men is "Yes Mistress" or "Thank you Mistress", and, well, not much else by way of scripting
    35
  • It's hard to summarize the blather by the women ... mostly it's "lick my feet, bitch" type stuff
    36
  • There's a lot of smelling of people's used shoes ... which is second only to the licking of feet for some odd reason
    37
  • There's some electro play, but not a whole lot of it (mostly wrapped around a cock and balls)
    38
  • There are many cock cages and leashes around cocks and balls and a few wooden spoon spankings of cocks
    39
  • There's certainly not a whole lot of (any?) kissing, cuddling, and, in general, teddy-bear loving going on.
    40
  • And, last, but not least, apparently there's a lot of sniffing and licking of smelly toes and feet going on in femdom land!

    Overall, the women look disinterested, for the most part, unimaginative, less concerned with their own orgasm than one would think, and vastly focused on what happens to their little tiny feet!

    However, I do admit, that's just a survey of femdom porn videos.
    What about real life (of which I know nothing)?

    Is this list of what I've seen is in any way representative of real femdom life (or is it just porn marketing fantasy)?
    Did I miss anything?
    Or is this list femdom BDSM business as usual?




  • Porn marketing fantasy. You nailed it. Now to reply to most of your questions, one by one.

    1) Only for people who have a foot fetish, or have some other need that needs to be met. I've had past subs and friendly bottoms who had a foot fetish or shoe/boot/stocking fetish. The only time my feet are messed with is when I want a foot bath, a pedicure, and some foot worship. Maybe a few times per month, tops.

    2) Um, way more fondling than ouchies. And...no kicking the nuts at all. (I have special, tiny floggers for this, when I'm not using my fingers or nails.) Kissing, nibbling, some tongue...yep, I also do this to my slave.

    3) No black face mask. Sometimes a blindfold but that's all. I like face slapping but won't go there with bo because I could damage an old neck/spine injury. No face kicking, ever, with anyone. I spent years going to chiropractors and don't want to send bo to one.

    4) Ex-smoker. My last cigarette was something like 27 years ago. If ever I were to go back to smoking, it would be for those long, old Hollywood movie type cigarette holders...and I'm more likely to tap the ashes onto his dick/scrotum than into his mouth. (I won't ever go back to cigs, so...he's safe.)

    5) bo has a tiny little mouth, and I like to have a big mouth full of my breast sucked inside my lover's mouth. The little bit of sucking on the tip does nothing for me, so yes, there's very little breast suckage or lickage going in in my household. Pussy licking? (My life is nothing like those BDSM porn movies, cuz yes, I almost smother him and get most of his face wet.)

    6) Um... No to the first part, and sort of yes to the second part.

    7) You sure did.

    8) Yes, no, and yes. If that's what I'm in the mood for. Some days I prefer to make use of him as my servant and am not hungry for impact play. Sometimes I want bondage, edging, or just to bend him over the back of the couch (or hang him in a sex swing) and fuck him with my strapon.

    9) Blowing smoke in someone's face is easy. Lowering a big fat ass like mine onto someone's face without breaking their neck or nose, etc., that takes more control. I'm not a spring chicken anymore and my knees are often too ouchie and stiff to risk losing my balance and killing him. Also, this would be "breath play" and he has smothering triggers from being in a mining cave in years ago. In other words, he could freak out, completely lose it and hurl me across the room and into a wall...and then I would be the one in the hospital, not him.

    10) Even when I was height/weight proportionate, I wasn't into that. My ankles were bad from numerous sports accidents and one small oops would skewer someone and send them to the hospital.

    11) Um, what can I say? Guilty as charged. (wide evil grin) I don't hurt him; I made him LOVE IT. Some people are into these things and some aren't. It took me eight or nine years before these types of play put a glint in my eye.

    12) I'm not into any of that. Except...if anyone I'm ever with mentions one teeny little time about how yummy their cum is or that OTHER women swallow, they're going to be the one eating up every last drop of their own spunk for a very long time.

    13) Um, yep. And don't forget the metal doggie bowl, one large enough for him to have his full face reach the bottom. The cages. And possible some newspapers. It's all good.

    14) Nope. No giggling tag team.

    15) No spitting, except for the very rare occasions when I want to spit on his dick because it's annoying me (and hard) and too close to my face. (If he's bringing me my hot tea or something like that.) I use lube for dildos, etc., not spit.

    16) Never done it, never seen it in real time. A lot of guys lurking on the internet are into the fantasy of ball busting...what they wank to and what they can really handle in real time are often two entirely different things.

    17) Being service oriented is indeed valid. (It floats my boat.) Not everyone is into it and that's okay. There are a lot of kinks that do nothing for me.

    18) Um...if the CFNM movie sucked, try something else that's more interesting. I like/live CFNM with my slave (he wears clothing only when we go outside, or when I want to dress him up because it's fun) and I do a hell of a lot more than nipple twisting and ruined orgasms via hand jobs.

    19) I'm not into that, nor do I watch porn flicks that cater to that fetish.

    20) Hm, okay, I confess that a lot of the time that's me. I'm on the couch watching tv or playing Pokemon on my 3DS, and I may or may not be making use of him for my own personal convenience. I'm not tying him up and beating him or fucking him ALL THE TIME. Real life, yanno, is real life. There are plenty of couch sitting type moments.

    21) I'm not into cuckolding. I want just one fluid bonded person in my life at a time, and I tend to fall in love with the guy I'm having regular sex with. Several lovers would get very emotionally confusing for me. Having an equal serve as the stud...eh, I prefer submissives. Doms? Nope. Vanillas? Heck no! A harem of submissive males? No...too much work, I'm too lazy for that.

    22) Um, yep, there are some HUGE dildos out there. Many are in our primary dungeon, lol. It takes time, the ability to stuff huge things up there doesn't happen overnight. Some people are not into using larger than average sized toys, but in movies...the audience likes things to look larger than life.

    23) This is to cater to the guys who are into small penis humiliation. I sometimes am into that too, but I enjoy the taunting aspect...it wouldn't be fun for me to make fun of a guy whose dick really was the size of a Vienna Sausage when he had a hardon.

    24) I've topped or co-topped females. An ass is an ass, a back is a back, a butthole is a butthole, whether male or female. Boobies were different. My clothes have always stayed completely on and intact, and my mouth is something I reserve for use on my own property. I'm straight and not even bi-curious.

    25) We own a fucking machine. I tried it out on myself once and didn't enjoy it, but bo...goes totally nuts and will holler and writhe and pant like a dog until he cums real hard. Sometimes I make him wait for about an hour. It's fun being the one holding the "remote control".

    26) They are "actresses" and their acting sucked. (Why would I do something that bored me? How would that make me feel more powerful and in charge if I were merely servicing the boring needs of men or of an audience?)

    27) Many guys are...more into dressing femme than there are women who get off on dressing them up. Go over to Fet and look at my slave's profile if you want to see how far I like to go. Yep, I chose that skirt. Nope, I don't like girly stuff on the upper half of his body. I like his body hair and enjoy seeing the contrast of hairy legs (very nicely shaped legs) with black hose and/or certain lingerie items. Guys in girly makeup don't get me hot.

    28) Someone wrote the script, and I'm guessing that it's a vanilla who is trying to recreate some fantasies...without bothering to consult with kinksters who are heavily into these kinks in real time.

    29) For the guys who have a major shoe licking fetish, lol. I'm not into that...unless it drastically alters my property's headspace and I want that end result.

    30) Yes. And about men building all of this stuff... Why should I break a nail building this stuff to use on men...when there are perfectly handy guys lying about, ready and willing to do all that grunt work?

    31) I'm not into scat. Pissing...eh...if the animal in me feels the need to mark my territory, yes. I'm not into making someone drink my urine though.

    32) They're movies made to give men wank fodder. Most horney guys would rather watch an action movie than a "chick flick". This probably carries over into BDSM porn movies too. Many of us have loving relationships with lots of cuddling and kisses and hugs.

    33) I love giving blowjobs (as long as cum hits outside of my mouth), but my slave has genital piercings and those change his taste. And make me in danger of having a tooth chipped. He wanted the piercings so I allowed them. At the same time I told him what he would be mostly doing without as a consequence.

    34) "Yes, Mistress" etc., are common, both within scenes and in our common ordinary life together. We're human beings in a real relationship, so yes, we talk about everything under the sun. Of course, if he annoyed me, I'd have no problem with restricting his speech for however long as I wanted. If he was forgetful, there's always...gags.

    35) I don't blather. Unless I'm having a panic attack from some trigger that got pushed. Btw, are BDSM porn movies supposed to have good dialogue?

    36) I've been approached by countless guys who wanted to sniff/lick/whatever my dirty feet or dirty shoes. Freshly cleaned feet weren't a turn on for them, they expected to lick up some toe jam and all kinds of ick. (Lips that touch toe jam will never touch mine. Enough said, lol.) No, I'm not into this and neither is my slave.

    37) Yes, we're into that. To others watching (who cannot feel what bo is feeling)...what we do...would likely be VERY boring. We have stuff that gets the job done, not some flashy pretty thing like a Violet Wand with all it's attachments.

    38) Um, yep. It's all fun if you're into that kind of thing.

    39) I answered this in #32

    40) Answered that already too.



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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 5:32:14 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AAkasha
    very sensual, realistic depictions of power exchange. See "Punish Me" - the black and white film. Look it up.


    The title is confusing because it has three of them, but is it this one?
    - Hounded (2006) "Verfolgt" (original title) 87 min - Drama - 4 January 2007 (Germany)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: IMDB
    Angelina Maccarone's intense drama deals with the obsessive relationship between a confused teenager and an elder woman. Elsa Seifert successfully works as probation officer, but the relationship to her longtime companion is in trouble since their common daughter moved out. Then she gets to know Jan, a 16-years-old offender, who frankly offers to submit himself sexually to her. Although being shocked in the beginning, Elsa gets more and more attracted by the young man...

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 5:44:36 PM   
    FieryOpal


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Galacia

    Although you forgot the best part which is the guy can just turn off the computer and smoke a cigarette after the 15 minutes of fast-food Femdom porn has taken its toll on his imagination. :)

    Hey, you can still do that when you're with a live woman.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Galacia

    Seriously though, what you wrote is very mind opening.
    ...what you wrote about the man being afraid of his submissive tendencies can revel in being made to be "her bitch" in the movies,...

    It was the food analogy, wasn't it?
    They don't say the way to a man's heart (feeling nature) is through his stomach for nothing.
    Btw, I left out the serving of the meal. Why? Because serving food=(service), and that would have been out of place in between (making love) and (cuddling).
    Yet, proudly serving your food courses and the main dish IS the crux of mutual enjoyment of the fruits of the submissive's labors/efforts, not the least of which is for the purpose of sustenance.

    I'd like to share something a male Switch friend of mine told me. He's gay, but that shouldn't make much of difference, as this could easily apply to straight men:

    "Submissive is a loaded term. It has connotations of servitude, weakness, easy surrender, easy obedience, seeking someone to follow as if they'd be lost otherwise. Men, especially alpha males, don't always like that connotation. Referring to himself as your bitch suggests you take control, he doesn't give it up easily."

    What's ironic to me, is that from what I've sampled of FemDom porn, the characterization above has been exaggerated to the 10th power, to the 100th degree, where submissive males are treated no better than "lowly worms."
    Much like watching a horror movie (not my genre of choice) or a trainwreck, it's almost as if some men are captivated (no pun intended) by watching their deepest fears and anxieties over losing control get played out on the screen.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Galacia

    [Although, I may embarrassingly admit when it's female-to-female Femdom porn, I can easily see myself inserting myself in either role.]

    This is more indicative to me of the ability to show empathy, to put yourself in another's place.
    Unless it becomes an obsessive fixation, I wouldn't read anything more into it than the natural tendency for the genders to want to know what the other experiences or how it might feel to be somebody else.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Galacia

    So, if we summarize perhaps far too succinctly, Femdom porn is:
    a) By men for men (as is all porn), but specifically for submissive men who are ashamed of their submission,
    b) Unrealistic of the building of the relationship between Woman and man,
    c) And, 15 minute clips of what submissive men wish women would do to them (ala a fetish delivery system).

    Is that (almost certainly too short) summary about it for why Femdom porn is, (I assert) far less realistic than run-of-the-mill porn?

    Summaries should be as brief as possible and to the point, so you did a good job with that.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 6:08:08 PM   
    Galacia


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    ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
    As a Dom, I resent the movies' implication that I need a punishment reason to spank my woman - I'll spank her if I darn well please.


    A key premise of mine is that non-femdom porn is more realistic than femdom porn, so, from only the perspective of realism is my next question posed, where I equate caning with spanking as a generic genre ...

    I realize you're talking about this type of Maledom porn (here is a 45-minute bona-fide spanking movie), where the so-called plot is the girl does something bad, and voila! She gets spanked as in this 30-minute mini-movie or as in this 55 minute spanking movie.

    Likewise, for the ladies, I doubt they'd think this 30-minute Femdom caning move or this 15-minute Femdom caning movie, or even this shortie 8-minute Femdom caning movie all that realistic,

    But, maybe you're just watching the wrong movies?

    Take a quick look at this very common spanking 1 video, and maybe even indulge me in this just as common caning 2 video or even this interracial paddling, or this bound submissive Asian caning 4, etc.

    Do you feel all these spanking/caning videos are not at all realistically showing what happens in the real D/s world?


    If so, then the premise upon which I ask the question is shot to hell!
    (Dark Steven, please look at least at some of the links in the second category to give me your experienced assessment.)

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 8:47:11 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Galacia


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AAkasha
    very sensual, realistic depictions of power exchange. See "Punish Me" - the black and white film. Look it up.


    The title is confusing because it has three of them, but is it this one?
    - Hounded (2006) "Verfolgt" (original title) 87 min - Drama - 4 January 2007 (Germany)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: IMDB
    Angelina Maccarone's intense drama deals with the obsessive relationship between a confused teenager and an elder woman. Elsa Seifert successfully works as probation officer, but the relationship to her longtime companion is in trouble since their common daughter moved out. Then she gets to know Jan, a 16-years-old offender, who frankly offers to submit himself sexually to her. Although being shocked in the beginning, Elsa gets more and more attracted by the young man...




    Yes, same film.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 9:41:29 PM   
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    Well. I hate to say it, but truth be told I've seen much of this in the club with the exception of the giggling girls and maybe a few other examples. Not all the Femdoms but certainly it happens quite a lot, and these ladies are very visual in their scenes. So, I'm not sure what that means but I'm sure it happens in the club, more or less, more some nights and less others. I know this about women, they do not admit what they do in front of other women, very much so here on the forum, eh?. So, maybe you ladies do protest too much? Anyone brave enough to admit how highly creatively sexual you are and that real life porn is not a bad thing and women like it too, yes I'm talking about the stuff of great and imaginative scenes, those of you who do scenes I mean.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 9:55:37 PM   
    FieryOpal


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    ORIGINAL: Arturas

    Well. I hate to say it, but truth be told I've seen much of this in the club with the exception of the giggling girls and maybe a few other examples. Not all the Femdoms but certainly it happens quite a lot, and these ladies are very visual in their scenes. So, I'm not sure what that means but I'm sure it happens in the club, more or less, more some nights and less others. I know this about women, they do not admit what they do in front of other women, very much so here on the forum, eh?. So, maybe you ladies do protest too much? Anyone brave enough to admit how highly creatively sexual you are and that real life porn is not a bad thing and women like it too, yes I'm talking about the stuff of great and imaginative scenes, those of you who do scenes I mean.

    Not to discount your own eyewitness account, the types of "Dommes" you have seen doing public play may have been Tops. Public role-playing, whether by Dominant or by Top, can take on a more theatrical flair than in the privacy of our own homes.

    I wouldn't base my entire assessment of M/f dynamics based on what I've seen for myself going on at a fetish party or Dungeon environment.
    If I did, I would assume all Doms are poly leather Doms, and that all femsubs like to run around stark naked in front of others, either of which is simply not true.
    In fact, seeing what others do during BDSM play does not represent what comprises a serious D/s relationship between couples.
    But I suspect you already know that, since you and your lady are a D/s couple yourselves.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/22/2014 9:57:14 PM   
    Galacia


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AAkasha
    Yes, same film.


    Thanks. I'm watching it now, to see what I can learn from it.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/23/2014 12:59:10 AM   
    Galacia


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AAkasha
    First are very sensual, realistic depictions of power exchange. See "Punish Me" - the black and white film. Look it up.

    I watched the movie. Luckily it had subtitles, because it was a bit complex. I was creeped out by the age difference between Elsa Seifert and Jan Winkler, as what happened in the movie would put folks in jail out here.

    But, there were some scenes which were interesting, such as when Elsa slaps her own wrists, testing what it feels like when slapped with the rule. That, and a dozen additional hints at the beginning set her personality "if you do exactly as I say, you'll do fine". Of course, he says "you made me follow you", which puts the onus on her.

    She slams on the brakes ... he wakes up. She has a mid-life crisis in the dressing room ... he steals her the flowered shirt ... she orders him off the bridge railing ... he does what she told him to do ... s

    Meanwhile ... the wife (essentially) asks working man (a coded question) about the meaning of vanilla sex ... we find out she's not fully happy with her sex life ...

    Back in class, she wears the tribute ... cancels the class ... there's the first of many heavy hushed breathing moments ... she turns away abruptly (first of very many)...

    He follows her anew ... she walks him back to the store ... but wait ... he paid for it with a pile of change! She abruptly walks away (second of very many) ...

    Cut to wrinkled face coming home from party ... phone call ... so he stole the money ... confession time ... lots more wrinkles ... subtle moment ... slight smirk .. he wants special treatment, attention, from her ...

    I'll stop there with the blow-by-blow, but, I can see what you mean as the movie builds up the sexual tension.
    In the end, he wants her to control him, and, as she sees fit, to punish him.
    She, for her part, enjoys punishing him.

    And best of all. There's absolutely no cum cleanup!
    It's a clean movie (albeit, the whole 16-year-old stuff is pretty creepy).

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/23/2014 1:39:17 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Galacia
    <snip>
    In the end, he wants her to control him, and, as she sees fit, to punish him.
    She, for her part, enjoys punishing him.


    As DarkSteven has already pointed out about spanking, BDSM films tend to center around punishment dynamics, very often humiliation AND punishment dynamics.
    This was the impression I had gotten many, many years ago. That ALL BDSM sprung from a basis of humiliation, punishment, and sado-masochism.
    It doesn't. I can't stress this enough to newbies especially.
    What you see portrayed as punishment, is what is actually referred to as funishment.

    I would estimate that 4 out of 5 couples, possibly higher than that, do NOT have punishment dynamics. There is disciplinary correction when necessary, but doesn't have to be corporal in nature. It could entail suspending a privilege.
    Not administering punishment is not limited to those in committed D/s LTRs either. There are many BDSM bottoms who have Hard or Soft Limits when it comes to punishment.

    Where you do see this element introduced in real life is with kinky customers who have a humiliation fetish and have equated being "forced" to do or to have to beg for something with being punished, and have a script for a BDSM provider or call girl-escort to follow.
    Then there are pain sluts who may confuse their masochism for wanting to get punished.

    This is another dimension of inaccuracy that gets taken for granted with BDSM porn.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/23/2014 8:23:37 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: DesFIP

    People realize that Princess Bride isn't real.


    Strangely enough, my mistress at the time was very much into that movie and got seriously sexually excited every time I would say "As you wish" to her, which she recognized immediately from that movie and because of it loved it whenever I said it when doing any type of service for her.

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    RE: A comprehensive survey of what femdom really means ... - 7/23/2014 10:32:44 AM   
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    Galacia, I'm not sure what you're asking of me. The last video, The Burning Sting of the Cane, was physically realistic for a punishment caning. But since it had no interpersonal dynamics, it lacked the elements I consider unrealistic.

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