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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
> ...Just as many Femdoms may assume all porn is unrealistic...
Because, generally, that would be a true statement.
Unfortunately, it is not what you want to hear and cannot understand.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
You are trying to make a link between porn and reality and justify the reasoning.
In the real world, the twain shall never meet outside of a scene.
Real life isn't like porn in any way - not as depicted in books and film.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
No such thing as "documentary porn". They are two mutually exclusive words.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
A documentary is factual and objective; porn is pure fantasy designed to create a sexual arousal.

This 6-minute video, found by googling for "femdom porn" is clearly porn.

I'm just asking, in the OP, if people in Femdom land do that kind of stuff?
It's really a yes or no answer for each knowledgeable individual.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Your views are quite contradictory and all ass-backwards fucked up.
This is why you are so seriously confused by it all.

If you truly insist that every single porn video I've posted depicts activities that don't happen in Femdom land, then yes, I'm really confused.

There are twelve thousand porn videos in just the Femdom category on this one web site that I pulled that last video off of. If you're saying none of them depict activities that occur in Femdom land, then I have to call you on my BS meter.

There is no way that can possibly be true.
Unless, maybe ... we're on different planets and we communicate differently?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Quite simply: every person, femdomme or otherwise, will be individual and different and expect different things.

Let me tell you a secret. Shhhh... just between you and me.

Tere's this thing called data.

Yea, I know it's troublesome. Data always is. But data is an input. Yes, I realize inputs are a pain because they don't all show the same thing. In fact, I think my very first post was replete with data, which some people (witness CynthiaWVirginia's response), could handle. DarkSteven, on the other hand, probably could handle data, but he didn't want to bother until/unless I forced him to, and he belatedly understood what I was trying to convey. Both proved they were intelligent consumers of data.

If you sit there and throw away all the data points in this thread, then you truly are from Mars because you can't conclude a thing if you don't look at the data set which was provided scores of times by now. And yes, the data varies.

It's precisely because the data varies that the original question was asked in the first place!

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
You cannot categorize any particular activity with a simple broad brush approach.

You're clearly not handling the data well.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Hence, every cake recipe is different and will produce different results.

C'mon. Now you're stretching credulity to the limit with inane statements like that.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Even the same recipe will give different results when baked with different temperatures and length of time.

OK. Let me tell you another secret. Just between you and me.
It's called variability.

Yea, again, it's a dirty little secret among people who can actually handle data that they can also handle variability because that's how they make sense out of the data.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Porn is fantasy. Period. It is not a documentary of any sort; and it's not real.
That is the first thing you need to differentiate.
After that, it becomes fairly simple.

If that were true, then the activity shown in this 4-minute porn video, found by typing "femdom pussy licking" never happens in real life?

If you're really correct, then I feel sorry for all Femdom women.

(Note: I realize many women find face sitting uncomfortable, but not all women so I include it with that caveat.)

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You missed girl on girl femdom action; by the looks of it, most women are either bi, bi-curious, or lesbian.

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Here's the thing. In "real" femdom BDSM exchanges, the relationship is the foundation of everything -- from simple chemistry to full blown romantic love. You asked what is missing in porn. THAT is what is missing. That's why femdom porn is woefully unrealistic. And it gives sub men the impression they can go straight into acts and merely "endure" to be considered a hot property. That the "work" involved is non existent - except the work on enduring a bigger strapon or knowing how to beg and act foolish.

The end game? You can't create realistic femdom porn. The nature of porn is that it's immediate gratification for men, their target audience. So it doesn't exist. What does exist is a lot of instant gratification full of sex/kink acts for men who think if they can mimic what they see in it, they will be able to attract a partner.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

AAkasha, I love what you just posted, and I couldn't agree with you more. There are guys I could simply care less about dominating sexually because they simply aren't worth my time and attention. (Putting someone in his place is only cursory and does not comprise a D/s relationship dynamic to me.)

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ORIGINAL: FriendlyMuppet

I'm sorry, all I read from your entire post was "strap on".
:)

Granted, *spoken* tongue-in-cheek (or maybe not?), but this is precisely why I don't list "strap-on" anywhere in my profile, not even under Tolerates [doing].

Why? Because I have no desire to do ass play with an ass, and this and any other intimate activity is insignificant to me outside of a committed, intimate relationship.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
True, but if you're using porn as a guide to how to get and maintain a healthy relationship, then that's the problem.

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Fact is, there is a lot to be learned by watching other people "do" things. You can find a youtube video depicting almost every car repair out there, and, I, for one, have followed hundreds. I've learned a LOT from them.

Every one was realistic, in that, they provided:
- A realistic portrayal of the tools needed
- A realistic rendition of the diagnostic steps to follow
- A realistic portrayal of the actions of removing and replacing the parts

And, guess what? Not a single DIY video gave me any emotional thrill whatsoever.
Yet, every one was very realistic.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Would you characterize your secondary relationships as "porn" relationships -- b/c in them you've expressed a strong distaste for any inter-personal bonding.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Here's the thing. In "real" femdom BDSM exchanges, the relationship is the foundation of everything -- from simple chemistry to full blown romantic love.

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Granted, this was in a forum where the subs expected titillation. But still, it points to the fact that a large number of men don't know how to relate sensually, intelligently, romantically with a woman who happens to be femdom -- unless it's all about the fetish. THIS is what porn teaches them. And it's not realistic.

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ORIGINAL: MauiDreams
You are genuinely the only person I've ever come across that feels as though porn is an educational tool

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ORIGINAL: Galacia

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ORIGINAL: MauiDreams
You are genuinely the only person I've ever come across that feels as though porn is an educational tool

I happen to be very well educated but I didn't get all my degrees by ignoring entire avenues of information as people here seem to propose. No. I avail myself of whatever resources are easily available to me.

One is this discussion, where I admit I have learned a lot.

For example, I've learned that Femdoms, being from Mars, inevitably turn Femdom threads into what irks them (as is their right), namely:
a) Femdom relationships
b) Unrealistic Femdom porn

OK. I get that.
It doesn't answer the question posed - but I understand their pet peeves just as I understand the Findomme thread pet peeves (prostitution, tribute, online, etc.).

But, I've also learned some unfortunate realities.

Femdommes, being from Mars, as a whole, appear to lump entire classes of unrelated porn together
They are ignorantly doing so, IMHO, as they seem to be the opposite of Justice Potter Stewart.

Since they're from Mars, they think differently, and they ignore entire avenues of education.
Instead of saying "I know it when I see it", they're unequivocally saying "I know it even when I don't see it".

Which is why I keep posting various and sundry videos, so that they will see it, at least once.
And they will realize their ignorance has kept them from learning anything.

So that I could get through to them, in my last post, I switched to their Martian way of thinking.
I reversed everything I know (from experience) to be true, and assumed that all the Femdom porn I could find would be un-realistic.

Hence, I repeat my question (speaking with the same Martian mind as Femdomms innately have) ...

With respect to Femdom:
a) Stuff done
b) Toys used
c) Clothing worn

Now, speaking from Mars ...

Which one of these related porn videos is most UN-realistic

Educational Femdom Video #1 (clothed guy with arms behind his back licks anus of clothed woman on couch as she essentially squirms to face sit him and in the end she pushes him away and leaves him there, as she walks away)

Educational Femdom Video #2 (clothed man kneels before woman on couch licking her feet in the beginning and then lobediently icks her pussy as she watches TV but runs her fingers through his hair approvingly when she is near orgasm)

Educational Femdom Video #3 (naked man on all fours dutifilly licks German woman relaxing wearing full-body stocking)

Educational Femdom Video #4 (naked guy on knees obediently licking woman on couch wearing a blouse & skirt and watching TV where man licks her feet in the end this time)

Note: I removed the 20-second video because it's too-short length precluded a fair comparison to the others.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Granted, this was in a forum where the subs expected titillation. But still, it points to the fact that a large number of men don't know how to relate sensually, intelligently, romantically with a woman who happens to be femdom -- unless it's all about the fetish. THIS is what porn teaches them. And it's not realistic.

I get your point but aren't you encouraging this kind of unrealistic view of femdom on your own website, Akasha?

I've just taken at a look at it, here, at http://www.akashaweb.com/indexnew.html - the website that you advertise at the end of each of your posts here.

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ORIGINAL: MauiDreams
And I repeat....."Ok, in regards to "doing stuff", "wearing clothes", and "using toys" there's honestly only ONE answer which is "some couples, some of the time". That's it, there's nothing more to it than that.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Granted, this was in a forum where the subs expected titillation. But still, it points to the fact that a large number of men don't know how to relate sensually, intelligently, romantically with a woman who happens to be femdom -- unless it's all about the fetish. THIS is what porn teaches them. And it's not realistic.

I get your point but aren't you encouraging this kind of unrealistic view of femdom on your own website, Akasha?

I've just taken at a look at it, here, at http://www.akashaweb.com/indexnew.html - the website that you advertise at the end of each of your posts here.

I write erotica with a distinctly female POV, I write educational material (see "good girls guide"), I write non fiction, and I also write smut. I rely on men to read everything and come out of it with a balanced view of women who enjoy power exchange. I don't feel the need to put a disclaimer on everything describing what is fantasy and what is reality. Do I enjoy writing porn? Sure - it's a lot of fun. Do I wish men would read more of the other stuff on my site? Absolutely - but 'you can lead a horse to water' and all that.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: Galacia

OK. OK. OK. You wore me out. I officially give up.

I'm never going to get any better answer anyway, nor am I even going to get you to just look at the data set, nor answer the question, no matter how I try to get it into your head what the question is or provide data backing up my asssertions.

You are incapable of listening, understanding, and learning.
The inherently closed-minded ignorant Femdom bigotry espoused in this thread is far too entrenched for me to sway anyway.

If I gave an answer, at work, like you just did (or, like almost any other answer in this thread, save one or two jewels), I'd be fired in less time than has transpired in this thread ... mostly for not answering the question ... but also for being so ignorant and closed minded as to not even look at the data set provided.

I give up.

If nobody even looks at the data, we're not having a discussion; we're just devolving to what irks Femdommes (which is the ultimate fate of all Femdom threads).

Thank you very much for the knowledge imparted. I'm sorry I had asked the question in the first place.