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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

they are doing it for the benefit of the OP and the first few posters. who tend to think that giving money to good causes should only apply to one side... and for one reason, it would be much better for everyone if the Kochs simply got out of politics and voting rights etc etc , then their surprise would be more "genuine"

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


When I see leftists complaining about all of George Soros' political activities their rivers of tears they constantly cry over the Kochs will hold a little more merit

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html

I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all.

Now this part didn't surprise me...

"Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support."

I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html
I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all.
Now this part didn't surprise me...
"Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support."
I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school.

The Koch's "gifts" to universities come with strings attached so people are skeptical about this one.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/28/the-koch-brothers-influence-on-college-campus-is-spreading/

• FLA State U got money and the strings were that a Koch appointed committee select the professors and evaluate them yearly. While that is certainly questionable, it isn't a guarantee of curricular control.
  
• Troy University got money for a center on political economy

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  The center describes itself as being “built on the assumption that liberty is valuable in its own right and plays a crucial role in economic development” and “committed to advancing our understanding about the role free markets and capitalist institutions play in promoting prosperity.”

  That isn't exactly an unknown, nor is it necessarily biased.
  
• Ohio State got money funds a senior lecture position in the economics department. While they are directing the money go to a senior lecture position, there is no statement that they decide who the lecturer is.
  
• NYU's donation went towards funding a 2 year "legal studies research fellowship." Is there something wrong with that?

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No such level of detail is supplied by the Koch foundations in their federal tax filings, with grants typically listed as going toward “general support” or “educational programs.”

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The Charles Koch Foundation, which among the various Koch-connected private foundations spent the most on higher education, did tell the IRS in a 2012 filing that it primarily supports “research and education programs that analyze the impact of free societies” and focuses on “a select number of programs where it believes it is best positioned to support positive social change.”

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

You know, when you read that article you find that Soros does the same thing, although he spends more on foreign schools. And oddly enough, his funds go to support programs at the universities which are near and dear to the liberals dear little hearts (because there just isn't enough liberal ideas coming out of colleges with their normal funding.

But, of course, the Koch Brothers do support conservative ideas taught alongside liberal ideas at colleges.

Bastards...

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
The Koch brothers gave $23 million to PBS so they would pull a documentary about ALL of the money they throw around influencing politics...especially ALEC. I am sure though it was...from the heart. [sic]
Teddy Roosevelt said that the wealthy opened universities, gave to hospitals and the church...out of the guilt they felt in obtaining such immense fortunes and so people will then, like them.

• A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education.
  
• Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
  
• It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.
  
• Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.
  
• I don't pity any man who does hard work worth doing. I admire him. I pity the creature who does not work, at whichever end of the social scale he may regard himself as being.
  
• To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
  
• Big jobs usually go to the men who prove their ability to outgrow small ones.
  
• Probably the greatest harm done by vast wealth is the harm that we of moderate means do ourselves when we let the vices of envy and hatred enter deep into our own natures.
  
• The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight.
  
• Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive.
  
• The most successful politician is he who says what the people are thinking most often in the loudest voice.
  
• It is difficult to make our material condition better by the best law, but it is easy enough to ruin it by bad laws.
  
• Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual and of nations alike.
  
• Freedom from effort in the present merely means that there has been effort stored up in the past.
  
• Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well.
  
• No man needs sympathy because he has to work, because he has a burden to carry. Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

http://news.yahoo.com/black-colleges-face-hard-choices-25m-koch-gift-181232115.html

I have to admit, I was a bit surprised to read this after all the horrible things I have heard about them but it seems they have a bit of good in them after all.

Now this part didn't surprise me...

"Whether genuine philanthropy, political jujitsu or some of both, the gift sparked a debate that peaked when Lee Saunders, president of the powerful American Federation for State, County and Municipal Employees union, sent the UNCF a blistering letter ending the union's financial support."

I guess he is more concerned with scoring points off the other side than seeing the kids get the money they need to go to school.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
And they earned it.