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Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 9:52:55 AM

BamaD

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We have one set of gas stations in our town has declared themselves to be a gun free zone (no self defense zone). Our first holdup in a couple of years happened last night at one of their stations. Since guns are banned the thug obviously used a knife. I don't understand why they didn't declare it a no crime zone, obviously that would have prevented the holdup.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 10:07:32 AM

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You are under a mistaken impression. It may get you seriously injured or killed.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 10:10:24 AM

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gun knife either one will kill you/do you think the robber cares if its a no gun zone

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 10:16:56 AM

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Some people obviously don't understand satire or sarcasm.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 10:25:36 AM

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You are under a mistaken impression. It may get you seriously injured or killed.

The mistaken impression was that the self defense free zone would stop any criminal from bringing in a gun.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 10:37:59 AM

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You are under a mistaken impression. It may get you seriously injured or killed.

Crossing the street can get you killed or injured, not agreeing with you is another matter.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 10:57:16 AM

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Do the banks in your area have to declare themselves gun free zones in order to clear up the confusion as to if someone is asking to withdraw money or demanding it? I'm really interested in how this works.

Is it so hard to understand that people who don't have enormous faith in other people could be uncomfortable around people with guns? I'm glad I live in a society where only the police can accidently kill you with a gun. I don't really care if a criminal decides to kill me with a gun (can't control that) just as I don't really care if a disqualified driver runs me over with a car.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 11:27:54 AM

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Do the banks in your area have to declare themselves gun free zones in order to clear up the confusion as to if someone is asking to withdraw money or demanding it? I'm really interested in how this works.

Is it so hard to understand that people who don't have enormous faith in other people could be uncomfortable around people with guns? I'm glad I live in a society where only the police can accidently kill you with a gun. I don't really care if a criminal decides to kill me with a gun (can't control that) just as I don't really care if a disqualified driver runs me over with a car.

Actually now that you mention it they don't.
They do have signs asking you to remove sunglasses and hats.
Lets the cameras get a better picture.
Last attempted bank robbery we had ended when the teller said "Billy, does your mama know what you are doing?"
When the police arrived at his mama's house he was
A glad to see them
and
B very forthcoming about who all was involved.

Open carry is legal here but frowned on.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 8/3/2014 11:35:45 AM >

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:16:05 PM

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Lovely, he claims to live in a normally crime free area but also claims he needs a gun as the streets are so dangerous.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:25:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

gun free zone = no self defence zone

I guess if there is nothing else you can think of that might help protect you then guns are the logical way to go.....

When did your brain stop working?

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:28:09 PM

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Open carry is legal here but frowned on.

Is that a legal power that the police have, to frown upon someone?

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:33:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FullCircle

Do the banks in your area have to declare themselves gun free zones in order to clear up the confusion as to if someone is asking to withdraw money or demanding it? I'm really interested in how this works.

Is it so hard to understand that people who don't have enormous faith in other people could be uncomfortable around people with guns? I'm glad I live in a society where only the police can accidently kill you with a gun. I don't really care if a criminal decides to kill me with a gun (can't control that) just as I don't really care if a disqualified driver runs me over with a car.

Perhaps you would feel differently if you lived in a high-crime area or perhaps if you were elderly and had an elderly wife confined to the house who would care about a home invasion? They do happen, you know. Perhaps if you had a defenseless baby? Hard to say why you would want to forfeit your life to a thug and why you would regard your life as so worthless as to give it up to thug when you could instead use a shotgun or a concealed carry pistol to change the odds.

And even if you don't care about any of this, how about the NEXT innocent person the thugs go and rape or kill because you couldn't defend yourself?

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:39:08 PM

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Lovely, he claims to live in a normally crime free area but also claims he needs a gun as the streets are so dangerous.

Normally crime-free does not mean always crime-free.

Because there is a 0.1% chance that I will have my home invaded does that mean in your calculus that I should forfeit my right to defend my home and family? On what grounds? That the criminal is superior morally to me? That the criminal has the right to kill, injure or maim me or my family? That the police when I press a button will magically appear in 1 nanosecond in the middle of the night in my house or perhaps, as in Fringe, you will be able to "amber" them?

Your argument is entirely specious. I suppose you never use seat belts either because the odds at any given time that you'll need them, when driving in a "safe" area not given to high speeds, are so low that you dispense with them. I suppose you are an anti-vaccine person, too, since the odds you'll get tetanus or measles are relatively low, so why bother? I mean, why do ANYTHING or take any precautions against anything if the odds are low that it will occur. In fact, why not leave the door of your house unlocked and even open most of the time when you have a 1-year-old in the house, because after all, the odds that someone will come in and steal the baby are extraordinarily low.

Your argument has no logical basis whatsoever.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:43:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Open carry is legal here but frowned on.

Is that a legal power that the police have, to frown upon someone?

Yes, in many jurisdictions, it is. Sheriffs have the "right" to decide if you have a "need" to defend yourself. This is true (sheriff or not) in all of NYC, in much of Massachusetts, if not all, and most recently, it's made news in San Diego. Now, I guarantee you, if you can afford a bodyguard, like say Michael Moore and other anti-gunners, then you can also almost certainly get your application approved. After all, not all the animals were created equal. But if you're a regular person, say a woman who has had a nasty ex-boyfriend, well that might not be enough to convince the local misogynist sheriff you deserve your own protection. The leftist elite 1%-ers are true hypocrites, inveighing against gun rights while arming themselves and defending themselves to the max. Truly it is disgusting.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:47:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

gun free zone = no self defence zone

I guess if there is nothing else you can think of that might help protect you then guns are the logical way to go.....

When did your brain stop working?

I use all the defenses that an unarmed person would, a firearm is the option of last resort.
If you are aware.
You can't avoid your own property.
And you tell them they are in the wrong place.
And you tell them to leave your property.
And they keep coming (as in the last incident I had)
What do you do?
Take at least a beating, he was less than half my age.
Run (on your own property) and hope they don't catch you?
Get down on your knees and beg them not to hurt you?
Or let them know their next step will be their last?
I used the final option, he was willing to listen to "reason" and since I had provided an argument than made sense to him he ran screaming into the darkness.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:49:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

gun free zone = no self defence zone

I guess if there is nothing else you can think of that might help protect you then guns are the logical way to go.....

When did your brain stop working?

I tried to make that point more subtly but it didn't seem to get through.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:51:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Open carry is legal here but frowned on.

Is that a legal power that the police have, to frown upon someone?

Yes, in many jurisdictions, it is. Sheriffs have the "right" to decide if you have a "need" to defend yourself. This is true (sheriff or not) in all of NYC, in much of Massachusetts, if not all, and most recently, it's made news in San Diego. Now, I guarantee you, if you can afford a bodyguard, like say Michael Moore and other anti-gunners, then you can also almost certainly get your application approved. After all, not all the animals were created equal. But if you're a regular person, say a woman who has had a nasty ex-boyfriend, well that might not be enough to convince the local misogynist sheriff you deserve your own protection. The leftist elite 1%-ers are true hypocrites, inveighing against gun rights while arming themselves and defending themselves to the max. Truly it is disgusting.

Here it is legal to carry, however if someone like Ken or one of our Brits is there and panics you can be charged with disturbing the peace.
Personally I consider open carry to be bad tactics and wouldn't do it.

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Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:53:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

gun free zone = no self defence zone

I guess if there is nothing else you can think of that might help protect you then guns are the logical way to go.....

When did your brain stop working?

I tried to make that point more subtly but it didn't seem to get through.

Criminals and violent gangs -- as well as those strung out on PCP or meth -- somehow, sometimes, just occasionally, tend to be a little lacking in subtlety.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 4:55:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

a gun free zone (no self defense zone).

gun free zone = no self defence zone

I guess if there is nothing else you can think of that might help protect you then guns are the logical way to go.....

When did your brain stop working?

I tried to make that point more subtly but it didn't seem to get through.

I have all of your options, and use them plus one more option if they fail.
You are never subtle.
But even you should be able to comprehend that gun free zones don't work.
If they did why don't they just declare crime free zones and save all that money they spend on cops.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Must have used a knife - 8/3/2014 5:09:54 PM

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FR
While it seems to have escaped some the point of the threat is that declaring a gun free zone is a waste of paper.
Some on here seem to think that by pretending that I believe in shoot first they are scoring points.
Since that is not the case, and not relevant they only fooling themselves.
As always when lacking a leg to stand on gunaphobics resort to personal attacks.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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