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ORIGINAL: eulero83

BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

I am not gloating at all, I am making a point.
To the left any mention of death by any means other than a firearm is gloating.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

I am not gloating at all, I am making a point.
To the left any mention of death by any means other than a firearm is gloating.

You are trying to make a point that is considered quite normal for everyone else in the world when it comes to violent deaths.
The difference is.... only in the US are gun deaths sooo prevalent that everyone else laughs at the 'American Way' of the general populace having guns.

So much so, that you have to pick up and post on a NON-GUN death to make that point!!

You don't realize just how laughable that is to everyone else.

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The point exactly.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The point exactly.

The "point" is irrelevant because the "point" is answering the wrong question regarding gun control.

The question is NOT: Will gun control end all murders? Since people can be murdered with knives (as you enjoy pointing out) or baseball bats or even pens or bare hands, then the answer is obviously no. Which answer you and others presume to demonstrate the uselessness of gun control. Since eliminating all murders is not the goal of gun control, the whole "argument" becomes an irrelevant straw man.

The question is also NOT: Will gun control end all gun related deaths? The answer is again obviously no. So long as guns exist and are available (legally or illegally) there will continue to be accidents and murders. Since eliminating all gun deaths is not feasible, the "argument" is another irrelevant straw man.

The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

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No the question is does gun control make us safer,

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reducing gun related deaths does no good if as in DC the murder rate doubles when guns are banned.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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No the question is does gun control make us safer,

That is the same question as: Does gun control reduce gun deaths?

Your posting about stabbings continue to be straw men. It is like asking if quitting smoking will prevent you from being run over by a bus? The answer is no, but that doesn't change the fact that quitting smoking does make you safer. More importantly, nobody is claiming that quitting smoking will prevent you from being run over by a bus. Likewise, no one (except anti-gun control people using straw man arguments) is claiming that gun control will stop all violence - just some. It is that claim - and not a straw man about knife attacks - that you must address.

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reducing gun related deaths does no good if as in DC the murder rate doubles when guns are banned.

I presume you have a source for this. Even if it is legit, it is still just one datum in a much larger picture. It is up to you to show that gun control consistently fails to reduced gun deaths over a statistically significant period of time. Those in favor of gun control must, of course, demonstrate the opposite. Either way, your posting about stabbings are not relevant to the issue.

OWWW! I just stubbed my toe! And you know what? Health and safety regulations in the dairy industry did nothing to prevent it. Clearly, such regulations have failed to make us safer!

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I'm getting the impression that you support the ownership of guns, Bama.

That's a bit of a leap there Peon.. It's not like you to jump to conclusions. Sometimes it's prudent to .... ahem .. hold your fire!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

I am not gloating at all, I am making a point.
To the left any mention of death by any means other than a firearm is gloating.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The point exactly.

The "point" is irrelevant because the "point" is answering the wrong question regarding gun control.

The question is NOT: Will gun control end all murders? Since people can be murdered with knives (as you enjoy pointing out) or baseball bats or even pens or bare hands, then the answer is obviously no. Which answer you and others presume to demonstrate the uselessness of gun control. Since eliminating all murders is not the goal of gun control, the whole "argument" becomes an irrelevant straw man.

The question is also NOT: Will gun control end all gun related deaths? The answer is again obviously no. So long as guns exist and are available (legally or illegally) there will continue to be accidents and murders. Since eliminating all gun deaths is not feasible, the "argument" is another irrelevant straw man.

The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The point exactly.

The "point" is irrelevant because the "point" is answering the wrong question regarding gun control.

The question is NOT: Will gun control end all murders? Since people can be murdered with knives (as you enjoy pointing out) or baseball bats or even pens or bare hands, then the answer is obviously no. Which answer you and others presume to demonstrate the uselessness of gun control. Since eliminating all murders is not the goal of gun control, the whole "argument" becomes an irrelevant straw man.

The question is also NOT: Will gun control end all gun related deaths? The answer is again obviously no. So long as guns exist and are available (legally or illegally) there will continue to be accidents and murders. Since eliminating all gun deaths is not feasible, the "argument" is another irrelevant straw man.

The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

The answer is made clear in states and citys that have stricter gun control laws, and that answer is no..


My home state has strict gun laws, yet weve had 457 guns deaths in the total 646 murders in 2010 so 70% of murders were gun deaths
Illinois of 453 murders 364 were from guns or 80% of murders by guns
California... the strictest gun laws in the country of 1811 deaths 1257 by guns or 69% of murders by guns


See 60 some deaths over one weekend in chicago this year

This is in areas where legally obtaining a gun is extremely difficult, in my state I needed 3 background checks.. one for my concealed carry permit, one for the purchasing of a firearm, and one to buy ammo for the gun (that was because i went with hp over ts ammo) and yet we still have an astronomical amount of gun deaths. So How are so many people dying by guns, if gun control works?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The point exactly.

The "point" is irrelevant because the "point" is answering the wrong question regarding gun control.

The question is NOT: Will gun control end all murders? Since people can be murdered with knives (as you enjoy pointing out) or baseball bats or even pens or bare hands, then the answer is obviously no. Which answer you and others presume to demonstrate the uselessness of gun control. Since eliminating all murders is not the goal of gun control, the whole "argument" becomes an irrelevant straw man.

The question is also NOT: Will gun control end all gun related deaths? The answer is again obviously no. So long as guns exist and are available (legally or illegally) there will continue to be accidents and murders. Since eliminating all gun deaths is not feasible, the "argument" is another irrelevant straw man.

The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

The answer is made clear in states and citys that have stricter gun control laws, and that answer is no..


My home state has strict gun laws, yet weve had 457 guns deaths in the total 646 murders in 2010 so 70% of murders were gun deaths
Illinois of 453 murders 364 were from guns or 80% of murders by guns
California... the strictest gun laws in the country of 1811 deaths 1257 by guns or 69% of murders by guns


See 60 some deaths over one weekend in chicago this year

This is in areas where legally obtaining a gun is extremely difficult, in my state I needed 3 background checks.. one for my concealed carry permit, one for the purchasing of a firearm, and one to buy ammo for the gun (that was because i went with hp over ts ammo) and yet we still have an astronomical amount of gun deaths. So How are so many people dying by guns, if gun control works?

?
This is supposed to prove something?
Did anything actually prevent people bringing guns across city/state lines?

To actually discuss whether pervasive gun control will work we have to look to places where it actually has been tried and there it has been incredibly successful. You can take your pick of either Australia or the UK.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The point exactly.

The "point" is irrelevant because the "point" is answering the wrong question regarding gun control.

The question is NOT: Will gun control end all murders? Since people can be murdered with knives (as you enjoy pointing out) or baseball bats or even pens or bare hands, then the answer is obviously no. Which answer you and others presume to demonstrate the uselessness of gun control. Since eliminating all murders is not the goal of gun control, the whole "argument" becomes an irrelevant straw man.

The question is also NOT: Will gun control end all gun related deaths? The answer is again obviously no. So long as guns exist and are available (legally or illegally) there will continue to be accidents and murders. Since eliminating all gun deaths is not feasible, the "argument" is another irrelevant straw man.

The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

No the question is does gun control make us safer, reducing gun related deaths does no good if as in DC the murder rate doubles when guns are banned.
Clearly you would be happier if they were shoved out of windows.

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The answer is made clear in states and citys that have stricter gun control laws, and that answer is no..


My home state has strict gun laws, yet weve had 457 guns deaths in the total 646 murders in 2010 so 70% of murders were gun deaths
Illinois of 453 murders 364 were from guns or 80% of murders by guns
California... the strictest gun laws in the country of 1811 deaths 1257 by guns or 69% of murders by guns


See 60 some deaths over one weekend in chicago this year

This is in areas where legally obtaining a gun is extremely difficult, in my state I needed 3 background checks.. one for my concealed carry permit, one for the purchasing of a firearm, and one to buy ammo for the gun (that was because i went with hp over ts ammo) and yet we still have an astronomical amount of gun deaths. So How are so many people dying by guns, if gun control works?

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

I am not gloating at all, I am making a point.
To the left any mention of death by any means other than a firearm is gloating.

Honestly that's not the impression you give, both in this and the Must have used a knife thread there is a big "told you so" implied that's quite disturbed. At some point hearing that a disabled person got arsoned alive by a family member should start other thought than "they had no guns, ergo they had it coming".

By the way if in DC there were, in addition to the gun ban, also stop and frisk policies, I'm sure crime would have harder time than allowing concealed carry with no restrictions.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The point exactly.

The "point" is irrelevant because the "point" is answering the wrong question regarding gun control.

The question is NOT: Will gun control end all murders? Since people can be murdered with knives (as you enjoy pointing out) or baseball bats or even pens or bare hands, then the answer is obviously no. Which answer you and others presume to demonstrate the uselessness of gun control. Since eliminating all murders is not the goal of gun control, the whole "argument" becomes an irrelevant straw man.

The question is also NOT: Will gun control end all gun related deaths? The answer is again obviously no. So long as guns exist and are available (legally or illegally) there will continue to be accidents and murders. Since eliminating all gun deaths is not feasible, the "argument" is another irrelevant straw man.

The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

The answer is made clear in states and citys that have stricter gun control laws, and that answer is no..


My home state has strict gun laws, yet weve had 457 guns deaths in the total 646 murders in 2010 so 70% of murders were gun deaths
Illinois of 453 murders 364 were from guns or 80% of murders by guns
California... the strictest gun laws in the country of 1811 deaths 1257 by guns or 69% of murders by guns


See 60 some deaths over one weekend in chicago this year

This is in areas where legally obtaining a gun is extremely difficult, in my state I needed 3 background checks.. one for my concealed carry permit, one for the purchasing of a firearm, and one to buy ammo for the gun (that was because i went with hp over ts ammo) and yet we still have an astronomical amount of gun deaths. So How are so many people dying by guns, if gun control works?

?
This is supposed to prove something?
Did anything actually prevent people bringing guns across city/state lines?

To actually discuss whether pervasive gun control will work we have to look to places where it actually has been tried and there it has been incredibly successful. You can take your pick of either Australia or the UK.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The answer is made clear in states and citys that have stricter gun control laws, and that answer is no..


My home state has strict gun laws, yet weve had 457 guns deaths in the total 646 murders in 2010 so 70% of murders were gun deaths
Illinois of 453 murders 364 were from guns or 80% of murders by guns
California... the strictest gun laws in the country of 1811 deaths 1257 by guns or 69% of murders by guns


See 60 some deaths over one weekend in chicago this year

This is in areas where legally obtaining a gun is extremely difficult, in my state I needed 3 background checks.. one for my concealed carry permit, one for the purchasing of a firearm, and one to buy ammo for the gun (that was because i went with hp over ts ammo) and yet we still have an astronomical amount of gun deaths. So How are so many people dying by guns, if gun control works?

Whether any of that is true or not is irrelevant to the point I am making which is that the OPs implied argument - stabbings happen, therefore gun laws are useless - is a straw man argument and therefore not relevant to the gun control debate.