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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
The question IS: Will gun control reduce gun related deaths? That is the question that anyone interested (whether pro or anti) in the gun control issue must answer before even considering any other questions regarding constitutional law, liberty and the value of human life.

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BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

I am not gloating at all, I am making a point.
To the left any mention of death by any means other than a firearm is gloating.

Honestly that's not the impression you give, both in this and the Must have used a knife thread there is a big "told you so" implied that's quite disturbed. At some point hearing that a disabled person got arsoned alive by a family member should start other thought than "they had no guns, ergo they had it coming".

By the way if in DC there were, in addition to the gun ban, also stop and frisk policies, I'm sure crime would have harder time than allowing concealed carry with no restrictions.

A There was no such thing in my mind that they didn't have guns so they had it coming. It was evil will find a way.
B There is no place in the country which allows concealed carry with no restrictions.
C I consider stop and frisk without reasonable probable cause to be unconstitutional, so do the courts. What you are saying is that if only we had a police state.....

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because there's a law that people obey putting fences around pools.

The problem here isn't the guns, but the irresponsible gun-owners in these instances.

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BamaD, don't you think you are gloating a little bit too much about people being stabbed? It's getting quite creepy actually, I suppose a decent human being should be something in the sorry area of the emotional spectrum.

I am not gloating at all, I am making a point.
To the left any mention of death by any means other than a firearm is gloating.

Honestly that's not the impression you give, both in this and the Must have used a knife thread there is a big "told you so" implied that's quite disturbed. At some point hearing that a disabled person got arsoned alive by a family member should start other thought than "they had no guns, ergo they had it coming".

By the way if in DC there were, in addition to the gun ban, also stop and frisk policies, I'm sure crime would have harder time than allowing concealed carry with no restrictions.

A There was no such thing in my mind that they didn't have guns so they had it coming. It was evil will find a way.
B There is no place in the country which allows concealed carry with no restrictions.
C I consider stop and frisk without reasonable probable cause to be unconstitutional, so do the courts. What you are saying is that if only we had a police state.....

A No I don't believe you, because or it's this or you wouldn't find a connection with the point you are advocating for. You are now hiding behind a finger, the title you chosed fot this thread is simply mocking the victims.

B probably you are right using no I simplified my answer too much, let say as much restriction as in alaska.

C You are right, the other effective option to a police state is adress the problem at federal level otherwise as many pointed out guns can be brought in from other states with ridiculous gun laws.

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And every time you or some other gun a phobe starts a thread about a shooting isn't gloating? You don't get to play by a different set of rules than you expect me too. Your crime rate is pretty much unaffected by your draconian laws, ours is dropping rapidly without them. Maybe you should mind your own business.
Your comment about unrestricted concealed carry proves conclusively that when it comes to American gun laws you don't have a clue.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And every time you or some other gun a phobe starts a thread about a shooting isn't gloating? You don't get to play by a different set of rules than you expect me too. Your crime rate is pretty much unaffected by your draconian laws, ours is dropping rapidly without them. Maybe you should mind your own business.
Your comment about unrestricted concealed carry proves conclusively that when it comes to American gun laws you don't have a clue.

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the other effective option to a police state is adress the problem at federal level otherwise as many pointed out guns can be brought in from other states with ridiculous gun laws.

A federal police state is different how?

K.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And every time you or some other gun a phobe starts a thread about a shooting isn't gloating? You don't get to play by a different set of rules than you expect me too. Your crime rate is pretty much unaffected by your draconian laws, ours is dropping rapidly without them. Maybe you should mind your own business.
Your comment about unrestricted concealed carry proves conclusively that when it comes to American gun laws you don't have a clue.

And even O'bummer commented that 'only in America' do you get sooo many gun deaths and shootings compared to any other first-world countries.

Dropping rapidly??? I don't think so.
If that were the case, you'd have hit zero decades ago... and you haven't.
The facts disprove your theory.

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the other effective option to a police state is adress the problem at federal level otherwise as many pointed out guns can be brought in from other states with ridiculous gun laws.

A federal police state is different how?

K.

well you actually live in a de facto federal police state, and this is mainly because of the fuckload of guns in your streets.

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Obama being against me is just more proof that I am right.

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Obama being against me is just more proof that I am right.

Really??

Then show me where any other first-world country has a higher gun-death rate than the US.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Try answering the question instead of obfuscating.


We don't need to show any faster dropping of rates because our rates are waay waay less than the US.

You have more gun deaths per year in the US than you lost to the Afghan war since 2001.
"As of 24 July 2014, there have been 3,366 coalition deaths in Afghanistan as part of ongoing coalition operations (Operation Enduring Freedom and ISAF) since the invasion in 2001"
Source: Wiki.

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So answer the question that you rebuked by declaring that your opposition to O'bummer proved you right.

Name any first-world country that has a higher gun-death rate than the US.

C'mon... show me and everyone else on here that you aren't just bullshitting.


Gun deaths per capita
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Guns per capita
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country