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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:38:49 PM   
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Just an observation on the discussion, no need to shout back at me on this.

I was watching a show about a month ago about AR15's. Said that 8900 people a were murdered in the US last year.

Less than 4% of those were from rifles/long guns, a category which the AR15 falls into.

So less than that were killed by AR15's.

I don't recall the numbers on other firearms.

More people died from being killed with blunt objects.

So I guess we need to ban those "DARN BLUNT OBJECTS".

Just an observation.



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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:38:58 PM   
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True freedom we in America have a lot of guns... it's why when anyone anywhere else in the world has a scuffle they ask us for help... comparing the us to another nation is silly because it's Apple to oranges

It isn't apples to oranges at all.

It is based on deaths per capita.
That means it is counted as a historical list of countries by firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population in one year.
It means the figures have been equaled out so they are a fair comparison between each country.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:40:45 PM   
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True freedom we in America have a lot of guns... it's why when anyone anywhere else in the world has a scuffle they ask us for help... comparing the us to another nation is silly because it's Apple to oranges

It isn't apples to oranges at all.

It is based on deaths per capita.
That means it is counted as a historical list of countries by firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population in one year.
It means the figures have been equaled out so they are a fair comparison between each country.

It is because of massive social differences, but I don't expect you to understand that.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:41:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The response was to Bama's claim that being opposed to O'bummer's statement made him 'right'.

I'm asking for proof of that.
It has nothing to do with blunt objects or specific types of firearms.


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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:45:24 PM   
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It is because of massive social differences, but I don't expect you to understand that.

And those social differences being??????????????
The US populace own guns whereas the other first-world countries have much much stricter gun controls!!

O'bummer made that statement.
You claim by being opposed to it made you "right" about gun ownership.

I've proved the both he and me are right and you are wrong.

Now prove your case.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:46:33 PM   
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Obama being against me is just more proof that I am right.

Really??

Then show me where any other first-world country has a higher gun-death rate than the US.


Show me any other first world country where crime is dropping as fast as in the U S. Drop is crime is the measure of whether you are doing things right.
And unlike gunaphobics I realize they are just as dead when pushed out a window as when shot.


I'll name England and Whales

between 2003 and 2012:
homicide dropped 42% in England and Whales and 17.5% in US
burglary dropped 45% in England and Whales and 9.5% in US
robbery dropped 35% in England and Whales and 20.4% in US
theft of a motor veicle dropped 72% in England and Whales and 47% in US
larceny dropped 20% in England and Whales and 19% in US

sources: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_283456.pdf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:47:03 PM   
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The response was to Bama's claim that being opposed to O'bummer's statement made him 'right'.

I'm asking for proof of that.
It has nothing to do with blunt objects or specific types of firearms.


Even you called him O'bummer so you have no more respect for him than I do but tried to claim that since he agrees with you your right. I expressed how much his opinion means to me. Any man who calls a gun ban a reasonable compromise that doesn't violate the Constitution clearly doesn't have a clue on the subject.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:50:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.

The new study, led by researchers at the Yale School of Medicine, highlights the toll gun violence has on child mortality rates in the country. Doctors surveyed the most recently released data from 2009 that tracked pediatric hospital stays.

“This study reinforces what we know from the mortality data,” Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, told NBC News. “We have an extraordinary health burden in our youth associated with firearms injuries.”

In the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries —4,559—resulted from intentional firearm assaults. 2,149 of those injured were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. Of the children who were hospitalized, 453 – 6% – died from their injuries.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/the-toll-gun-violence-children

The United States accounts for nearly 75 percent of all children murdered in the developed world. Children between the ages of 5 and 14 in the United States are 17 times more likely to be murdered by firearms than children in other industrialized nations.

Children from states where firearms are prevalent suffer from significantly higher rates of homicide, even after accounting for poverty, education, and urbanization. A study focusing on youth in North Carolina found that most of these deaths were caused by legally purchased handguns. A recent meta-analysis revealed that easy access to firearms doubled the risk of homicide and tripled the risk for suicide among all household members. Family violence is also much more likely to be lethal in homes where a firearm is present, placing children especially in danger. Murder-suicides are another major risk to children and are most likely to be committed with a gun.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/06/gun_deaths_in_children_statistics_show_firearms_endanger_kids_despite_nra.html

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:53:50 PM   
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I expressed how much his opinion means to me.

Actually, you said -
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Obama being against me is just more proof that I am right

That's not an opinion.... that's a statement.

Now back it up with proof.


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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 1:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

The response was to Bama's claim that being opposed to O'bummer's statement made him 'right'.

I'm asking for proof of that.
It has nothing to do with blunt objects or specific types of firearms.


Even you called him O'bummer so you have no more respect for him than I do but tried to claim that since he agrees with you your right. I expressed how much his opinion means to me. Any man who calls a gun ban a reasonable compromise that doesn't violate the Constitution clearly doesn't have a clue on the subject.


I suppose in 1850 there where people saying: "Any man who calls a slavery ban a reasonable compromise that doesn't violate the costitution clearly doesn't have a clue on the subject" but a war later the costitution was amended.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:00:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lucylastic your point would be a god one if the life of someone else's child was worth more than your own wallet.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:05:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

The response was to Bama's claim that being opposed to O'bummer's statement made him 'right'.

I'm asking for proof of that.
It has nothing to do with blunt objects or specific types of firearms.


Even you called him O'bummer so you have no more respect for him than I do but tried to claim that since he agrees with you your right. I expressed how much his opinion means to me. Any man who calls a gun ban a reasonable compromise that doesn't violate the Constitution clearly doesn't have a clue on the subject.


I suppose in 1850 there where people saying: "Any man who calls a slavery ban a reasonable compromise that doesn't violate the costitution clearly doesn't have a clue on the subject" but a war later the costitution was amended.


Are you trying to sound like an idiot or does it just work out that way.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:08:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
I expressed how much his opinion means to me.

Actually, you said -
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
Obama being against me is just more proof that I am right

That's not an opinion.... that's a statement.

Now back it up with proof.


He is strongly and unconstitutionally anti gun. That is all the proof I need to know he consistently is on the wrong side. Fact, not opinion.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:23:31 PM   
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Lucylastic your point would be a god one if the life of someone else's child was worth more than your own wallet.

I think the point she was making is that the US, with its liberal gun ownership/laws, has proven to be a death bed for more civilians than anywhere else in the 'civilized' western world.

I didn't realize that the US was responsible for 75% of child deaths in the developed world or that child gun-deaths alone exceeded the whole number of US deaths from the Afghan war (since 2001) by a factor 3!!

That is some staggering stats.
Which proves that where there is proper strict nationwide gun controls, gun-deaths are far lower per capita.
And as Bama admitted himself, the US also have a greater number of blunt-instrument deaths than anywhere else too.


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He is strongly and unconstitutionally anti gun. That is all the proof I need to know he consistently is on the wrong side. Fact, not opinion.

Being 'anti-gun' and wanting much stricter gun laws doesn't make him 'unconstitutional' at all.
And it doesn't put him 'on the wrong side' either.
So your whimsical quip isn't "proof" at all.
Good try, but no cigar Now try to provide some real proof for your statement instead of dodging around it.
And like many Americans, you think we don't have guns - but we do!!


So liberal gun laws are good for the US??
I think the stats prove that not to be the case compared to anywhere else in the civilized world.


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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:35:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being 'anti-gun' and wanting much stricter gun laws doesn't make him 'unconstitutional' at all.

If you understood the Constitution at all you would know that far from being a reasonable compromise gun bans are blatantly unconstitutional.
Taxing guns and ammo till only the rich can afford them is an unconstitutional infringement. He can be anti gun without violating the Constitution (1st amendment) but he can't support the kinds of things I mentioned (in his role as a public official) without violating it. Again I don't expect you to understand.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:37:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		It kinda does since in reality any restriction on guns goes against the right to bear arms....

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:38:32 PM   
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Being 'anti-gun' and wanting much stricter gun laws doesn't make him 'unconstitutional' at all.

If you understood the Constitution at all you would know that far from being a reasonable compromise gun bans are blatantly unconstitutional.
Taxing guns and ammo till only the rich can afford them is an unconstitutional infringement. He can be anti gun without violating the Constitution (1st amendment) but he can't support the kinds of things I mentioned (in his role as a public official) without violating it. Again I don't expect you to understand.

You're dodging and weaving again.... as usual.

Can you actually back up your statement or are you bullshitting again??



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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:39:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I expressed how much his opinion means to me.

Actually, you said -
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Obama being against me is just more proof that I am right

That's not an opinion.... that's a statement.

Now back it up with proof.


A It is my opinion that he will always take the wrong position on this issuw.
B You consider him a good source that is an opinion, now prove it.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:41:52 PM   
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So I guess we need to ban those "DARN BLUNT OBJECTS".

Just an observation.


I'd say what Americans need to ban is their long-standing passion for killing each other.

Americans like the Bible, so I've heard. Aren't there bits in the Bible about how it's a good thing to help each other stay alive, rather than kill each other? Obscure bits, no doubt, but perhaps they could be revived by some radical new far out Christian group or another. Just a thought.

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RE: Thank God he didn't have a gun - 8/11/2014 2:43:29 PM   
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It kinda does since in reality any restriction on guns goes against the right to bear arms....

And you can still have that right to bear arms.
But do you actually HAVE to bear them.... in public??

We can have guns too. That would fit your constitution.
What we can't do is have them in public or be able to shoot others willy-nilly and claim a feeble 'self defense' plea.
In most civilized countries, if you shoot someone, it's called murder or manslaughter; not self defense.


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