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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/8/2014 9:37:50 PM   
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No, you attacked him for not remembering the details of a mother saying her kid something wrong. And he posted it a week ago. Looks like you felt snarky and looked for someone to hit

I'm not even sure what exactly the details of the story would contribute to the point I made.

But then, I don't think they are either.

K.


There was nothing controversial in what you said, seems that he was just looking for an excuse to get snarky.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 8:17:37 AM   
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Ferguson City Council Says It Plans Reforms

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The Ferguson City Council, set to meet Tuesday for the first time since the fatal shooting of an unarmed black 18-year-old by a white police officer, said it plans to establish a review board to help guide the police department and make other changes aimed at improving community relations.

Those would include reducing the revenue from court fines that are used for general city operations in the St. Louis suburb and reforming court procedures, according to a statement from a public relations firm hired by Ferguson. Critics say reliance on court revenue and traffic fines to fund city services more heavily penalizes low-income defendants who can't afford private attorneys, and who are often jailed for not promptly paying those fines.


This whole business about fines and court systems being used to produce revenue is not surprising, and it's likely a contributor to negative attitudes about the police.

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Of the 90 municipal governments in St. Louis County, 22 depend on such fines for at least one-fifth of their revenue. An Associated Press analysis shows that 38 towns or villages depend on municipal fines from minor traffic violations for at least one-tenth of their annual revenue. Three cities with 1,000 or fewer people rely on municipal fines for the majority of their yearly income.

That doesn't hold true for the county as a whole, which collects just a fraction of 1 percent of its revenue from court fines and fees.

A St. Louis legal group that represents indigent defendants recently singled out the courts in Bel-Ridge, Ferguson and Florissant as "chronic offenders" among a group of 30 municipal courts where problems were documented.

The report by the nonprofit ArchCity Defenders found dozens of cases where children and members of the public were improperly banned from attending open court session. In Ferguson, defendants described a system so overwhelmed by crowds that bailiffs would lock the door five minutes after the scheduled start time — and then issue failure to appear warrants for those who arrived late and were locked out. In Bel-Ridge, multiple defendants were in court to contest citations for not registering with the city garbage collection service.


Failure to register with the city garbage collection service?

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"These policies unintentionally push the poor further into poverty, prevent the homeless from accessing the housing, treatment and jobs they so desperately need to regain stability in their lives, and violate the Constitution," the report concluded.

Those widespread practices led the St. Louis County circuit judge who oversees local courts to send a written warning to municipal judges and clerks to keep their courtrooms open to the public.


Just in case anyone is wondering why there are some who aren't so enamored with the police.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 8:52:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		What bull... Those fines are no different than the traffic fines in your home town or mine. If you speed... Run red lights... Park in no parking zone... Drive without insurance...Drive with expired plates... Refuse to appear in court... You should be... Deserved to be... Fined!

The fines are for all not just blacks... Everyone seems to forget the white population of the city. OBEY the law like the rest of us and they will not have traffic fines to pay. Go to court or pay when you do.

The city government is bending over backwards to appease criminals. What do you expect the city to do... Ignore traffic violators because they are black? With reasonable fines collected, as shown in the Post, about the same as my city...do you think the money should not go to aid in city budgets? Do traffic fines in your city go to charities... Or in general revenue ?

I am all for genuine reforms that will help this city resolve its racial issues... But forgiving crime is not the way.

Butch

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 10:02:11 AM   
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What bull... Those fines are no different than the traffic fines in your home town or mine. If you speed... Run red lights... Park in no parking zone... Drive without insurance...Drive with expired plates... Refuse to appear in court... You should be... Deserved to be... Fined!

The fines are for all not just blacks... Everyone seems to forget the white population of the city. OBEY the law like the rest of us and they will not have traffic fines to pay. Go to court or pay when you do.

The city government is bending over backwards to appease criminals. What do you expect the city to do... Ignore traffic violators because they are black? With reasonable fines collected, as shown in the Post, about the same as my city...do you think the money should not go to aid in city budgets? Do traffic fines in your city go to charities... Or in general revenue ?

I am all for genuine reforms that will help this city resolve its racial issues... But forgiving crime is not the way.

Butch


It's not a matter of forgiving crime, but to aggressively go after minor violations for the sole reason of raising revenue is disingenuous and comes close to an abuse of power. It certainly undermines any arguments or justifications about "public safety." It undermines the credibility of the local government and police, and it certainly is a contributory factor in creating an adversarial relationship between citizens and their government (at all levels - federal, state, and local).

I don't trust the process in my own city either. I think our local government is filled with a bunch of corrupt stooges, and as you say, it's no different than in other cities - small, medium, or large.

I don't really see it as an issue of "black" vs. "white" either. I see it more as low-income and working class citizens being screwed by their government just because it can. Are the fines reasonable? And are they truly serving the public interest, by going overzealous over minor violations, while claiming "insufficient resources" when it comes to more serious violations? And locking people out of the courtrooms? That's just not right.

As for "forgiving crime," it's often said that criminals have to pay their debt to society. But society encompasses the community at large, not just the government. And yes, maybe they should donate all that money they collect in fines to charity or some other community service organization to help the people. And if we're talking about picayune civil violations, then it really isn't "criminal" at all.



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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 10:16:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Zonie... there is no aggression... when you break a traffic law you break it... Now I will admit it is harder for low income vehicles owners to pay fines... but dammit if i were in that situation I would be more careful... how about you?

I have only received two traffic violations in my life... and I drove through Rock Hill Missouri every day... Now if you were from my area you would now the reputation of Rock Hill.

In this age of NO TAX... I WANT EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING... cities need the money for traffic fines... Ferguson is no different. It is easy to avoid traffic fines... DON"T BREAK THE LAW... black or white.

Butch

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 3:46:37 PM   
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I don't remember the details K.
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A propos of nothing...You would remember the details just fine, and give lots of dubious links too....if it suited your purpose

Maybe you should look at what he said rather than look for something to pick at.
Are you saying that you don't think any mother would admit that her kid did something wrong?

Nope, not what I said at all, try again

No, you attacked him for not remembering the details of a mother saying her kid something wrong. And he posted it a week ago. Looks like you felt snarky and looked for someone to hit

Nope, have a good long think about what the phrase "a propos of nothing" means. Maybe it's something you heard many years ago and didn't quite follow, remember, like that Ghandi quote about how he would have used nukes, that you used

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 3:53:29 PM   
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I don't remember the details

A propos of nothing...You would remember the details just fine, and give lots of dubious links too....if it suited your purpose

Its nice when other people arrive at the same conclusion I do with Kirata.....

So what are you two insinuating? What is this "conclusion" you've arrived at? C'mon boys, no guts no glory.

K.


you know exactly, playing dumb doesn't suit you

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 3:58:34 PM   
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I don't remember the details K.
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A propos of nothing...You would remember the details just fine, and give lots of dubious links too....if it suited your purpose

Maybe you should look at what he said rather than look for something to pick at.
Are you saying that you don't think any mother would admit that her kid did something wrong?

Nope, not what I said at all, try again

No, you attacked him for not remembering the details of a mother saying her kid something wrong. And he posted it a week ago. Looks like you felt snarky and looked for someone to hit

Nope, have a good long think about what the phrase "a propos of nothing" means. Maybe it's something you heard many years ago and didn't quite follow, remember, like that Ghandi quote about how he would have used nukes, that you used

You mean that Ghandi quote I used posted and then documented?
Since your selective memory has deleted that here it is again.

Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British.

Speech (16 June 1947) as the official date for Indian independence approached (15 August 1947) , as quoted in Mahatma Gandhi: The Last Phase (1958) by Pyarelal Nayyar, p. 326


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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:15:02 PM   
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I don't remember the details K.
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A propos of nothing...You would remember the details just fine, and give lots of dubious links too....if it suited your purpose

Maybe you should look at what he said rather than look for something to pick at.
Are you saying that you don't think any mother would admit that her kid did something wrong?

Nope, not what I said at all, try again

No, you attacked him for not remembering the details of a mother saying her kid something wrong. And he posted it a week ago. Looks like you felt snarky and looked for someone to hit

Nope, have a good long think about what the phrase "a propos of nothing" means. Maybe it's something you heard many years ago and didn't quite follow, remember, like that Ghandi quote about how he would have used nukes, that you used

You mean that Ghandi quote I used posted and then documented?
Since your selective memory has deleted that here it is again.

Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British.

Speech (16 June 1947) as the official date for Indian independence approached (15 August 1947) , as quoted in Mahatma Gandhi: The Last Phase (1958) by Pyarelal Nayyar, p. 326


Yeah! that's the one, only you said

"I am like Ghandi, remember he said that if they there had been nukes available to them to use against the British they would have used them"

still struggling with context and the difference between I and we.

Only you, and possibly hunter could possibly imagine the idea of Ghandi pressing the button that started nuclear war

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:20:29 PM   
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I don't remember the details K.
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A propos of nothing...You would remember the details just fine, and give lots of dubious links too....if it suited your purpose

Maybe you should look at what he said rather than look for something to pick at.
Are you saying that you don't think any mother would admit that her kid did something wrong?

Nope, not what I said at all, try again

No, you attacked him for not remembering the details of a mother saying her kid something wrong. And he posted it a week ago. Looks like you felt snarky and looked for someone to hit

Nope, have a good long think about what the phrase "a propos of nothing" means. Maybe it's something you heard many years ago and didn't quite follow, remember, like that Ghandi quote about how he would have used nukes, that you used

You mean that Ghandi quote I used posted and then documented?
Since your selective memory has deleted that here it is again.

Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British.

Speech (16 June 1947) as the official date for Indian independence approached (15 August 1947) , as quoted in Mahatma Gandhi: The Last Phase (1958) by Pyarelal Nayyar, p. 326


Yeah! that's the one, only you said

"I am like Ghandi, remember he said that if they there had been nukes available to them to use against the British they would have used them"

still struggling with context and the difference between I and we.

Only you, and possibly hunter could possibly imagine the idea of Ghandi pressing the button that started nuclear war

So when faced with the truth you retreat to your fantasy.
Since I presume that English is your first language I would think you would realize that I is part of we.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:32:53 PM   
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I is part of we.


thanks for the grammar update Sherlock

do you even know what context means?

do you have any idea how to interpret what people say?

This is getting off topic now but yes or no, do you think Ghandi would have pressed a button to nuke Britain?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:36:50 PM   
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I is part of we.


thanks for the grammar update Sherlock

do you even know what context means?

do you have any idea how to interpret what people say?

This is getting off topic now but yes or no, do you think Ghandi would have pressed a button to nuke Britain?

I know what he said, only he knew for sure what he said.
Grammar lesson was clearly needed since you clearly can't understand plain English.
Getting off topic shouldn't be problem for you, since you prefer snark to debate.
PS I always found Holmes to be somewhat superficial.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:41:36 PM   
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I know what he said, only he knew for sure what he said.
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You read what he said, can you interpret what he said?

Given what Ghandi stood for, what his whole life stood for, nukes, yes or no?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:46:04 PM   
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I know what he said, only he knew for sure what he said.
.

You read what he said, can you interpret what he said?

Given what Ghandi stood for, what his whole life stood for, nukes, yes or no?

Did he voice any disapproval? No.
Would he be the first person to espouse one thing while not entirely believing it? No.
Wasn't it family that lead India's nuclear weapons development? Yes.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 4:51:32 PM   
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I know what he said, only he knew for sure what he said.
.

You read what he said, can you interpret what he said?

Given what Ghandi stood for, what his whole life stood for, nukes, yes or no?

Did he voice any disapproval? No.
Would he be the first person to espouse one thing while not entirely believing it? No.
Wasn't it family that lead India's nuclear weapons development? Yes.

You said "remember he said that if they there had been nukes available to them to use against the British they would have used them"

Ghandi presses the button, yes or no?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 5:09:37 PM   
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I know what he said, only he knew for sure what he said.
.

You read what he said, can you interpret what he said?

Given what Ghandi stood for, what his whole life stood for, nukes, yes or no?

Did he voice any disapproval? No.
Would he be the first person to espouse one thing while not entirely believing it? No.
Wasn't it family that lead India's nuclear weapons development? Yes.

You said "remember he said that if they there had been nukes available to them to use against the British they would have used them"

Ghandi presses the button, yes or no?

He said they would so if they wouldn't your idol is a liar.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 5:18:39 PM   
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I don't remember the details K.
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A propos of nothing...You would remember the details just fine, and give lots of dubious links too....if it suited your purpose

Maybe you should look at what he said rather than look for something to pick at.
Are you saying that you don't think any mother would admit that her kid did something wrong?

Nope, not what I said at all, try again

No, you attacked him for not remembering the details of a mother saying her kid something wrong. And he posted it a week ago. Looks like you felt snarky and looked for someone to hit

Nope, have a good long think about what the phrase "a propos of nothing" means. Maybe it's something you heard many years ago and didn't quite follow, remember, like that Ghandi quote about how he would have used nukes, that you used

You mean that Ghandi quote I used posted and then documented?
Since your selective memory has deleted that here it is again.

Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British.

Speech (16 June 1947) as the official date for Indian independence approached (15 August 1947) , as quoted in Mahatma Gandhi: The Last Phase (1958) by Pyarelal Nayyar, p. 326


Yeah! that's the one, only you said

"I am like Ghandi, remember he said that if they there had been nukes available to them to use against the British they would have used them"

still struggling with context and the difference between I and we.

Only you, and possibly hunter could possibly imagine the idea of Ghandi pressing the button that started nuclear war


Assuming the quotation is correct as it reads, the context I'm getting is they adopted non violence out of helplessness and the fact that's all they had but would have used weapons including nukes, or a nuke if they had them.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 5:34:10 PM   
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I know what he said, only he knew for sure what he said.
.

You read what he said, can you interpret what he said?

Given what Ghandi stood for, what his whole life stood for, nukes, yes or no?

Did he voice any disapproval? No.
Would he be the first person to espouse one thing while not entirely believing it? No.
Wasn't it family that lead India's nuclear weapons development? Yes.

You said "remember he said that if they there had been nukes available to them to use against the British they would have used them"

Ghandi presses the button, yes or no?



You'd think Bama would know the answer to that. He borrowed my crystal ball and still hasn't given it back.

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 6:46:12 PM   
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Zonie... there is no aggression... when you break a traffic law you break it... Now I will admit it is harder for low income vehicles owners to pay fines... but dammit if i were in that situation I would be more careful... how about you?


I would bet that if I followed you long enough, I would eventually catch you making some sort of violation.

However, one idea I've thought might be good is if traffic and other fines were based on the individual's income, so that lower income people would pay lower fines than those with higher incomes.

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I have only received two traffic violations in my life... and I drove through Rock Hill Missouri every day... Now if you were from my area you would now the reputation of Rock Hill.


Yes, but it's interesting that you know about this reputation. We have a known speed trap around here called Oro Valley.

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In this age of NO TAX... I WANT EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING... cities need the money for traffic fines... Ferguson is no different. It is easy to avoid traffic fines... DON"T BREAK THE LAW... black or white.

Butch


Who wants everything for nothing? Who advocates for no tax? It's the cities who want everything for nothing. They have overpaid bureaucrats who (at least in this area) make more than the average citizen, and worse still, cities have to pay a significant portion of their revenue for pension plans. After salaries and pensions, there's not enough money left to even fix the potholes. Whose fault is that?

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RE: Rioting is the answer - 9/9/2014 8:54:54 PM   
cloudboy


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Status: offline 		Quit being obtuse. You have been so behind the curve on this and in denial about the situation --- these riots did not break out in a vacuum. The police should not be in the business of harassing and fining the poor -- things that cause people to lose their jobs, houses, and ability to put food on the table. Ferguson had more warrants out on people - something like 2x the actual population living there.

Shooting an unarmed civilian simply blew the lid off this town.

< Message edited by cloudboy -- 9/9/2014 8:55:51 PM >

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