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BamaD -> RE: Another poitless gun death. (8/28/2014 8:36:52 PM)
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Cars and poisons and pools, fires, stabbings, beatings, domestic abuse, drugs, rapes, accidents with power tools ,stupid parents, abusive parents, negligent adults, ignorant neighbours and curious children happen everywhere, in every country every day.
Humans are stupid.
There are regulations made covering safety issues when they become problematic or a solution is found to lessen the harm caused.
That a huge number of people dont get why others get upset angry, passionate about the pointless preventable deaths caused by idiots with guns. And especially those who have no desire to see a change in laws, OR enforcement of laws 7in place to lessen the harm done by idiots with guns is selfish, shortsighted and ignorant especially when they pretend (to themselves mostly) they have never done anything stupid/careless or thoughtless in their lives.
And yet...for all those regulations and laws, people die. Children die. In most cases, irresponsible behavior on the part of children masquerading as adults is involved.
Actually, because of those regulations, far fewer die. Most idiots whom would do such a thing, will not be thinking on whether the action will kill them, but on the penalty of doing such a thing. There are laws against murder. Murder laws are a REGULATION. People still get murdered; but how much less are they murder than if there was no law covering murder? That may be so, Joe but people still died and that was the point. You can make laws, you can make regulations and people will still die. I have no problem with laws and regulations until they infringe on my rights because of idiots that DON'T follow the laws and regulations. As I stated, punish them...not me. More children between the ages of 1 - 14 died as a result of drowning accidents and automobile accidents than died due to a gun
accident.
www.cpsc.gov/en/newsroom/news-releases/2012/in-home-danger-cpsc-warns-of-Children-drowning-in-bathtubs-bath-seats-And-buckets-more
www.theincidentaleconomist.com/WordPress/#article/32067
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The only person displaying irresponsible behavior in this discussion is YOU. You do not understand what a law or regulation is defined (a regulation is a law, and a law is a regulation). Actually joether, there is a difference. Congress enacts laws. Federal executive departments and administrative agencies write regulations to implement the authority of the laws passed.
www.answers.com/Q/what_is_the_difference_between_laws_and_regulations
Does that make you irresponsible now...not knowing the difference? Or just an idiot for not bothering to look it up before running your mouth?
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Having a swimming pool or a car or drugs is not a right. Having a gun is.
Yes, if you ignore the first half of the 2nd amendment and reinterpret the second half anyway you want; yes, having a firearm is an 'individual right'. Of course, I still haven't found a single conservative or gun nut on here that feels its 'ok' to ignore politically inconvenient concepts of other amendments and reinterpret the remainder of those amendments in a politically advantage way. If its not 'ok' to ignore parts of an amendment nor reinterpret them to fit our narrow political views; then its not 'ok' for conservatives and gun nuts to do the same on the 2nd amendment. For what you do on the 2nd, the government can easily do on the 8th. Would you like the first half of the 8th amendment being ignored and the second half reinterpreted by the government? You forget, that our government is run by US Citizens, whom have just as much to the rights as you do.Here you go again with the amendments. But again, you're wrong. In the District of Columbia vs Heller (2008), the SCOTUS held that the 2nd Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL right to possess and carry firearms. Since they're the highest court in the land, you don't mind if I go along with their interpretation instead of yours, do you?
And your also wrong thinking you have a right to a gun. When US Citizens get tired of the blatant deaths due to firearms, things will be changed. The more of an asshole and dick you show your fellow Americans, the FASTER, that will happen. So you have nothing to gain by behaving in that form. You might consider improving your behavior.See the above. And if you can show me waving my dick and asshole anywhere on this thread, point it out. If you can show me exhibiting any name-calling of any poster on this thread, in the manner that you have...just on this post...name the post number. I'll turn myself into the mods.
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Because it is, some folks get upset when others argue as if it is the gun's fault rather than the person(s) handling it. And part of that is because those who argue most vociferously against guns do not come to these boards ranting when a child is killed by some parent stoked on drugs. They don't come ranting on the boards when some child drowns in a bathtub, left unattended by a young mother on her cell phone. They don't come ranting on the boards when some poor old gentleman is knocked unconscious ...and later dies... by some young thug playing the knock-out game. And yet...let a tragedy occur where a gun is involved and suddenly you have those like tweakabelle saying that no 2nd Amendment right is worth a drop of "precious child" blood. I don't like to assume because that's usually where I am proved wrong but I would be willing to bet that for tweakabelle...And some others...that statement would be extended to mean no drop of precious HUMAN blood.
I'm not saying to ban the 2nd amendment due to this instance. I am saying that unfortunately, we'll have to regulate this issue in the hopes that range owners do not hire total idiots to be instructors. And that firearm instruction with children is handled in a very specific manner. I don't think children should be allowed automatic firearms....EVER.I really don't think you'll find many people disagreeing about automatic weapons in the hands of children on this thread, northern. Certainly not me, as I've stated. The problem comes when you start deciding the age limit for a child. And when you run into those who want no restrictions on their rights (unrealistic) and those who do want to scrap 2nd Amendment rights because "even if it saved only one life, isn't it worth it?"(again, unrealistic)
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
The bigger problem comes about when they say "reasonable" regulations and then want to try and wrap up a right in a more restrictive package than anything else just waiting for a tragedy. Do I, as a gun owner, think that handing over an Uzi to a 9 year old is smart? Responsible? No. Nor do most of the gun rights proponents on this thread. So, punish the parents under child abuse statutes or make a law restricting the age of someone that is allowed to use an Uzi. The problem comes about when you want to restrict my access to one. If I have gone through a background check, taken a gun safety course and don't use it illegally, it is my right to have it. I've gone through more vetting to own a gun than I did to own a car which can be just as dangerous. More than I went through to have a child. Some people say that's a right too but I don't see anti-gun people lining up to demand background checks on those folks, despite the fact that there are a helluva lot more children killed through neglect and abuse every year than there are children killed by irresponsible gun owners.
See that BOLD part? That's you demanding a regulation. Someone that's against regulations.See that finger scratching my head? That's me wondering where you got the idea I am against regulations that are specific? I have a problem with regulations restricting the rights of the responsible while not affecting the irresponsible.
No one on this thread is stating to restrict your usage of firearms. The WHOLE thread is about 'how do you feel about this event, and what could be done to minimize it going forward'. See tweakabelle
An there are quite a number of different systems, tools, regulations, and people that deal with child abuse and neglect in the nation. Its a thankless job, but it helps keep children from being abused and killed.
Not completely, they don't. You don't seriously think I just looked up numbers of death of children due to drowning or auto accidents, do you?
This looks like something got messed up in the posting .
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