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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

And just a note to our British friends who have gotten themselves all into a tizzy about something involving the guidance provided to an American child, do be aware that some of your news flows our way as well.

The Rotherham subject is going to be taboo on this forum, but what the FUCK is wrong with you miserable shits!?!?! Maybe have a look in your own fucking yard, instead of peering into ours? 1400 victims over a period of years and your goddamn USELESS FUCKING unarmed police just assumed they were exaggerating and making up stories, and were afraid they might be called racists if they did anything?

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU make snide little comments about us when this is happening under your noses?

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

It's wasn't exactly clear from the interview with the owner that the deceased did or did not, in fact, work for the store/range. At the very least I certainly HOPE he didn't. But then that begs the question of WTF he was even doing there, "instructing" someone (anyone!) on how to use anything more sophisticated than a pencil?! I would also like to know where was the Range Safety Officer? This story is moving from tragic accident to multiple layers of blatant incompetence. And these are people who claim to be law-abiding defenders of their twisted view of the 2nd Amendment?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Dave, the ammo thing was from Homeland Security stockpiling 3 billion rounds.

Of course, the new sanctions on Russia have cut off the flow of that Soviet surplus 7.62 that is my plinking round of choice. It's up to over 30 cents a round, so I'm figuring to pick up as much as I can before the price doubles. The Chinese crap is horrible.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

Oh dear, another DHS Ammo-buy Conspiracy believer...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/feds-media-debunk-sarah-palin-stockpiling-bullets-claim-88179.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/14/homeland-security-bullets_n_2688402.html
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/04/The-Great-DHS-Ammunition-Stockpile-Myth <-- possibly the best one

From the Breitbart article
MYTH: Then why can’t I find ammo? What’s causing the shortage?
FACT: We’re causing the shortage. As an employee for a major firearms retailer, I can testify we receive shipments of the three highest demand calibers
(9mm, .22 LR, and .223 Rem/5.56 NATO) at least 3-5 times weekly and in quantities far exceeding our normal shipments. We see as many as 1,000 boxes
of ammunition disappear in as little as four hours.
People are responding to the unknown with fear and hoarding of ammunition. Manufacturers are replenishing the shelves, but the civilian market is buying it
too fast due to warranted (and unwarranted) concerns. Don’t believe me? Ask your dealers, or wait at a local Wal-Mart.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Dave, the ammo thing was from Homeland Security stockpiling 3 billion rounds.

Of course, the new sanctions on Russia have cut off the flow of that Soviet surplus 7.62 that is my plinking round of choice. It's up to over 30 cents a round, so I'm figuring to pick up as much as I can before the price doubles. The Chinese crap is horrible.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

It's wasn't exactly clear from the interview with the owner that the deceased did or did not, in fact, work for the store/range. At the very least I certainly HOPE he didn't. But then that begs the question of WTF he was even doing there, "instructing" someone (anyone!) on how to use anything more sophisticated than a pencil?! I would also like to know where was the Range Safety Officer? This story is moving from tragic accident to multiple layers of blatant incompetence. And these are people who claim to be law-abiding defenders of their twisted view of the 2nd Amendment?

Then why did you say the interview said he was an employee and make it out to be part of an evil NRA plot?
And of course being the dedicated gun owner you are you want to blame this on a "twisted" view of the 2nd. I see you are from Chicago, live close to ken do you?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

That story seems to be too new at this time for any idea of motive, K. But, yes, it is absolutely gobsmacking.

There was no motive, it was a stupid accident.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

Nice ad hom attack.. I guess when you have nothing to support your argument...

The 1st report I saw claimed the deceased was, in fast, an instructor at the store/range - that statement implies employment at same. Sorry if the connection was too subtle for you.
Funny thing about a story like this: new information keeps coming out as additional details are uncovered and reported on.

This is exactly what I wrote in my 1st response to this thread:
The story being reported is that the "instructor" had the child a shoot few rounds on Single Shot and she appeared to handle to weapon with little or no trouble. He, the alleged instructor, then felt
it would be OK to have the child try the weapon on "Full Auto". At that point mayhem (or hilarity - take your pick) ensued.

The stupidity there is think enough to cut with a knife.

The part of the story I'm looking forward to is how the NRA will spin this to their advantage and make it look like some sort of planned attack by the anti-gun crowd. I'm betting they will initially
go with the "No True Scotsman" defense and gradually work it into some sort of White House-based conspiracy.

Later I wrote:
Wrong again - no gunophobe me. I own several and enjoy shooting at the range.

Oh come on - you KNOW the NRA nutbaggers will blame Obama for this.

Later I said:
Wait for it...

After watching the 10pm news I wrote:
It's happening already - I saw on the late news in an interview with the owner of the gun store/range that he (the owner) has denied that the deceased was an actual instructor there.

Tick-Tock, NRA - you're wasting valuable spin time!

BTW: Thank you to all the teabagger nutball gun freaks out there who have driven up the price of ammo to the point where I can't afford to shoot as often as I'd like. Get this through your
thick, redneck hat-holders: Obama is NOT coming for your guns!

So, now that we're all up to date, please point out where I claimed the instructor was, in fact, an employee. It was certainly IMPLIED by the initial reports but now it seems that is not the case.
Geez, why am I even bothering to argue semantics with you?

Did I ever say I was a "dedicated gun owner"? No, I said "I own several". That may or may not be true depending on if you consider 5 to be several.

Yes, I feel the NRA and many (most?) "gun enthusiasts" have a very twisted view of the 2nd Amendment. When the Constitution was written we (the Nation) still thought it was OK to own other
human beings. We have, for the most part, changed our collective mind about that. Also, at that time in our history, a well-regulated civilian militia was needed in case England had 2nd thoughts
about losing the Colonies. We clearly do NOT need that anymore and we clearly do NOT need every Tom, Dick, and Harry packing enough heat to overthrow a 3rd-world country. We need some sanity
in our gun laws and the mere fact that anyone in this country thinks it's OK to hand a full-auto weapon to a 9yo shouts loud and clear that we are fucking nuts.

I do NOT feel the 2nd Amendment gives gun owners Carte Blanche. We regulate rights for good reason - to force some level of responsibility on those who exercise those rights.

Now, if you're finished twisting my words around, maybe you can refute the various comments and arguments made in this thread. But if all you can do is attack the messenger then kindly GTFO
of this conversation.

BTW: Who is "ken"?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

It's wasn't exactly clear from the interview with the owner that the deceased did or did not, in fact, work for the store/range. At the very least I certainly HOPE he didn't. But then that begs the question of WTF he was even doing there, "instructing" someone (anyone!) on how to use anything more sophisticated than a pencil?! I would also like to know where was the Range Safety Officer? This story is moving from tragic accident to multiple layers of blatant incompetence. And these are people who claim to be law-abiding defenders of their twisted view of the 2nd Amendment?

Then why did you say the interview said he was an employee and make it out to be part of an evil NRA plot?
And of course being the dedicated gun owner you are you want to blame this on a "twisted" view of the 2nd. I see you are from Chicago, live close to ken do you?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Yes they are always accidents or one offs or a chance in a million or irresponsible parents or <fill in cliched rationalisation of your choice here> when the outcome fails to flatter the pro-gun lobby. Specious rationalisation after specious rationalisation .......

What does it take before it sinks in? Where ever there is a plentiful supply of guns within easy reach, there are going to be more 'accidents' or 'one offs' or 'chances in a million'. It is inevitable, as near as it comes to a statistical certainty.

All the Second Amendment rights in the world are not worth a single drop of a child's blood. There is something seriously wrong with a society that teaches 9 year olds how to use an Uzi. And I mean seriously wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

I've seen no indication that he ever "went to automatic fire." It could be that the selector was moved inadvertently.

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
Yes they are always accidents or one offs or a chance in a million or irresponsible parents or <fill in cliched rationalisation of your choice here> when the outcome fails to flatter the pro-gun lobby. Specious rationalisation after specious rationalisation .......

What does it take before it sinks in? Where ever there is a plentiful supply of guns within easy reach, there are going to be more 'accidents' or 'one offs' or 'chances in a million'. It is inevitable, as near as it comes to a statistical certainty.

All the Second Amendment rights in the world are not worth a single drop of a child's blood. There is something seriously wrong with a society that teaches 9 year olds how to use an Uzi. And I mean seriously wrong.

this!!!

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

Obama is NOT coming for your guns!

That is a lie! Why, just yesterday he came to the house across the street and took all of the guys guns.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: joether

No, this thread is pointing out....YOU DONT GIVE FIREARMS TO CHILDREN.....

Thank you Joe. He probably didnt understand the post where I said I am okay with kids having gun lessons.

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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted


I'd never put an Uzi in the hands of anyone, adult or child, as their intro to shooting. It's just not a smart idea.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

And just a note to our British friends who have gotten themselves all into a tizzy about something involving the guidance provided to an American child, do be aware that some of your news flows our way as well.

The Rotherham subject is going to be taboo on this forum, but what the FUCK is wrong with you miserable shits!?!?! Maybe have a look in your own fucking yard, instead of peering into ours? 1400 victims over a period of years and your goddamn USELESS FUCKING unarmed police just assumed they were exaggerating and making up stories, and were afraid they might be called racists if they did anything?

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU make snide little comments about us when this is happening under your noses?

This needs to be rammed down the throat of anyone who has ever used the "racist" slur to attack an idea they just didn't like. Rammed down hard enough that it will hurt to swallow for days afterward.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

And just a note to our British friends who have gotten themselves all into a tizzy about something involving the guidance provided to an American child, do be aware that some of your news flows our way as well.

The Rotherham subject is going to be taboo on this forum, but what the FUCK is wrong with you miserable shits!?!?! Maybe have a look in your own fucking yard, instead of peering into ours? 1400 victims over a period of years and your goddamn USELESS FUCKING unarmed police just assumed they were exaggerating and making up stories, and were afraid they might be called racists if they did anything?

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU make snide little comments about us when this is happening under your noses?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

And just a note to our British friends who have gotten themselves all into a tizzy about something involving the guidance provided to an American child, do be aware that some of your news flows our way as well.

The Rotherham subject is going to be taboo on this forum, but what the FUCK is wrong with you miserable shits!?!?! Maybe have a look in your own fucking yard, instead of peering into ours? 1400 victims over a period of years and your goddamn USELESS FUCKING unarmed police just assumed they were exaggerating and making up stories, and were afraid they might be called racists if they did anything?

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU make snide little comments about us when this is happening under your noses?

You nutcase, TH. Do you imagine that we Brits all fondly imagine that our society is free from all and any kind of madness? Do you think that if we criticise anything that happens in the USA, it's all about jingoistic oneupmanship - another 'Hey, Britain's better than the USA!' thing?

As for the Rotherham story, I've said before that I'd bring up the matter of paedophile activities in the UK, but there's little point in doing so because so few people here would bother to discuss it. I have no doubt that news goes from here to the USA as well as vice versa. But overall there's little knowledge about the UK on these forums and even less interest.

FWIW, you are welcome to offer your views on the paedo issue - though, as a little tip, I don't think you'll get much mileage out of it being related to our police being unarmed. Also, it's very much *not* just about organised gangs of Asians. Prior to this Rotherham horror, attention has been on those who are at the very top of our society. The Jimmy Savile case, for instance, revealed that police, as well as many others, had been looking the other way for decades. Why? Clearly not because of 'political correctness' in his case. Savile was white and a renowned Tory supporter. 'Those at the top can do no wrong', I'd suggest.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

Why is Rotherham taboo here? As in banned, I mean, rather than as showing the Brits otherwise pro-Muslim to see that their country's own political correctness
resulted in hundreds of white British children being raped and tortured by monsters whom the "police" didn't have the balls to arrest. In fact, they arrested some
of the fathers of the victims. Really, there is no religion more disgusting, more responsible for repellent crimes, crimes against humanity, than Islam. Let's see
if my post stays up.