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Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 4:51:06 PM)
Here is what I said. quote: They are befriended, made to feel that the abuser loves them, often by being plied with drink, drugs, gifts, and any combination of these. Once trust is gained, the abuse usually starts, and if you read the report, which you obviously didnt, you would have seen many of those abused dont even see it that way. They have now found a form of love which they didnt get from their family. Many of the girls involved refused to give evidence against an abuser seen as her "boyfriend". I gave you the page to read on the report where the girls said they were in love. My words are fucking clear for anyone to read, including Kirata and Aylee. Clearly, from the above post, the girls felt they were in love, something most hadnt had at home, since if they had they wouldnt be in care. The pertinent part of my post above is this and if you read the report, which you obviously didnt, you would have seen many of those abused dont even see it that way. The fact that a few of you are too antagonistic, too stpid, or indeed to obstinate to read what I actally wrote and also read the report, is your own fucking fault. As for Kirata claiming he has read the report...... Bollocks have you. Because if you had, and had understood plain English, you would easily follow what I am saying.

Politesub53 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 4:53:54 PM)
Well, I am not even getting into comparing American sex crimes Vs UK sex crimes

dreamysubmale -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 4:57:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom There are Christian psychotics. Jewish ones. Buddhist ones. Atheist ones, too. Even some Muslim ones. This is enablement by religion. Nothing you are referring to even comes close to that. Some describe the US as a Christian country. Many others, Founding Fathers included, favored reason, and hence were Deists. There is a big difference between using Christianity to justify atrocities today and happening to be a psychotic Christian who commits an atrocity. Muslims justify their acts, their jihad, their beheadings, everything, through the words of the Quran. In "Christian" countries, such acts are universally criminal while in many Islamic states the government carries out or condones many such deeds I don’t condone any terrorist acts or militant groups, but since I’m fair and balanced on my views have a look at his link bellow. These Christian Al Qaeda militias in the Philippines are known to be more violent and vicious than any Islamist terrorist group that we know of, including IS. They are known to eat their killed enemy’s body parts as part of a ritual. Oh, and last I looked, the Philippines was a predominantly Catholic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaga

Aylee -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 5:25:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR Fucking hell, I knew this thread would turn into trash. Seriously, PS, I applaud your trying, but this is turning into just the manure-flinging contest that I thought it would. Some points I think worth making: 1. Most of the perpetrators involved in this were young, WTF? And the victimis were WHAT? 9 makes you OLD? Yeah. I feel for them. quote: Pakistani males who were nominally Muslim. Islam starts with pedophilia. It is part of the religion. Nominal or not, they picked up that part of it. quote: I say 'nominally' because they're young, not well-educated, not devout and b) brought up in the UK which has a Christian tradition. They are westernised and have the macho 'gangster' attitude that goes with that in certain young men, but they're also from a background that is deeply sexist. It took a combination of all these things to make them the trash that they are. What part of the western civilization and macho attitude said that raping 9-11 year olds made you a man? quote: 2. It's clear that they got away with it in a large part because they were shielded by their race. But this is only partly about 'political correctness' and the power it holds. It's about power, full stop. Yeah. Calling others racist is right out of Alinsky. It is meant to suppress the other side. quote: That much is clear from the fact that powerful and influential whites have been getting away with it for decades, too - as has been coming to light over the past few years. Savile's assaults alone number in the hundreds. Other celebs are already in jail as a result of Operation Yewtree's investigations. So what is the commonality? And why does that make THIS okay/ White guys did it? That is what you have? quote: And this is all on top of continuing, relentlessly-repeated, soul-destroying revelations about child abuse in the Catholic Church. Which are being investigated and charged and criminalized. Are these "young misunderstood guys being put in jail? Umm. . . No. quote: And amongst former cabinet ministers. And amongst those whose profession it is to 'care' for children. Yep. Conservative house = abuse. Rape = love. Got it. quote: Child abuse is endemic here. Something is clearly rotten. But, to me, it only scratches one of the surfaces to lay into Islam. It's not racism that's the fundamental problem, nor political correctness - it's a lack of concern for children, and lack of the guts it takes for the police and other authorities to do their frigging jobs properly. There will always be people who'll abuse their power. There are supposed to be institutions in any democracy that help to guard against that. These people have fucked up, on so many fronts. They have been stodgy, lazy, incompetent, uncaring turds. Against the power of the church, or celebrities, or political correctness, they've just gone home, had a nice cup of tea with biscuits, and put it out of their minds. I absolutely do blame these people, as well as the perpetrators. They simply haven't done their jobs. Child abuse is a part of Islam. Married to a 9 year old. Sex at 11. Buggering young boys. . . totally cool. quote: 3. And re that last, we may not have seen all the 'fronts', yet. Catholic churchmen, celebrities, now Pakistani gangs in Rotherham. But, here's the thing: why should we assume this is the end of it? How many other great big issues of organised child abuse are going to transpire? Don't care. Child rapists should be outside of society. quote: 4. Call it all evil if that helps. Fine. Of course it's evil. But calling it evil in and of itself solves sod all. It doesn't eliminate the problem. I would like the problem to be eliminated. Anyone who really does see that as the prime target, please offer your ideas. If I can work out something I see sensible and practicable as a plan, I will bully my MP mercilessly until he does the same in the House of Commons. (That does actually work here in the UK, so long as you're prepared to hassle your MP so much he'll do what you want just to make you go away.) Yes it does. Evil is evil and should not be allowed to continue. This evil was allowed to continue for 16 years. Call it evil now and root it out. It is not a problem of "they were young and stupid," FFS. How dare you offer that excuse. This is wrong. Stop it with whatever force it takes.

Kirata -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 5:27:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Here is what I said. quote: They are befriended, made to feel that the abuser loves them, often by being plied with drink, drugs, gifts, and any combination of these. Once trust is gained, the abuse usually starts, and if you read the report, which you obviously didnt, you would have seen many of those abused dont even see it that way. They have now found a form of love which they didnt get from their family. Many of the girls involved refused to give evidence against an abuser seen as her "boyfriend". Yep, that's what you said. But the girls rather obviously didn't find "a form of love," and nowhere in the report does it even remotely suggest that they did. That's you talking. You only think the report says that because that's what your twisted little mind made of what it says. And contrary to the belief of your good-willed defenders, you meant it exactly the way you said it. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Peon, I meant it in exactly the way he thought. Thanks for playing. K.

Sanity -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 5:37:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamysubmale I don’t condone any terrorist acts or militant groups, but since I’m fair and balanced on my views have a look at his link bellow. These Christian Al Qaeda militias in the Philippines are known to be more violent and vicious than any Islamist terrorist group that we know of, including IS. They are known to eat their killed enemy’s body parts as part of a ritual. Oh, and last I looked, the Philippines was a predominantly Catholic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaga In this one case LucyLastic may be correct

Aylee -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 5:41:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml Well of course that's a hilarious posting, and I hope it gave you plenty of chuckles. But, in actual fact, that is what happened to some of these girls. So I'm glad you can eke some amusement out of the rape and abuse of young women, it's a little lost on me though. And, importantly, on a site like this, how many vulnerable (sometimes naive, sometimes plain stupid, but also sometimes lost and desperately needy) women (and men) find themselves preyed upon by abusers? Hilarious? Nope. No. It incensed me that so many have trivialized what has happened to these girls by calling it a "form of love." And "Well, they were young," which means "boys will be boys." How DARE you suggest that Kirata and I are making fun of this? We are the ones NOT taking it lightly and find it seriously. Fuck off. Or. . . are you going to give me an excuse as well?

Lucylastic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 5:52:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Cherry picking proves your ignorance of reality "Cherry picking" quote: security measures brits went thru for the ira bombers in the 70s and 80s. That the problem s of german terrorists and spanish caused. you missed out on the "german and spanish terrorists", they didnt attack england but did amny attacks in europe dipshit THAT is what I meant by cherry picking

crazyml -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:04:15 PM)
Where did I claim that Kirata is making fun of it? You're the only person who has stooped to making what is, frankly, an utterly disgusting joke about people taking vulnerable people back to their homes and raping and abusing them. It's not a question of "daring" - you did it, right on this fucking thread. By making your jokey remark, you're trivialising it too, can you see that? As for people trivialising these horrific things, you won't get any argument from me. But... if you're claiming that PS was "trivialising" it by calling it a form of love then I'm afraid you owe him an apology - since while you may not have been able to comprehend the meaning and intent of his words, others did, and it's been explained this thread. So read it again, and then apologise. And then ask yourself whether it really was a good idea to make a "funny" comment about the rape and abuse of young women then ask yourself how you DARED to stoop so low.

PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:06:10 PM)
quote: Call it evil now and root it out. It is not a problem of "they were young and stupid," FFS. How dare you offer that excuse. Get past the 'excuse' stuff, Aylee. It's irrelevant. I'm not going to bother with your giant straw men.

PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:10:50 PM)
quote: No. It incensed me that so many have trivialized what has happened to these girls by calling it a "form of love." And "Well, they were young," which means "boys will be boys." What is the matter with you? What sort of inane fire and brimstone trip are you on that you think this is being trivialised? What do you think any of us would gain by 'making excuses' or even not 'making excuses'? Do you think the job is somehow done if we all join hands and chant, 'Evil, evil'? Can't you go and scream at some straw men elsewhere? Honestly, Aylee, I see your eyes are red with righteous anger - but all you're doing here is firing thunderbolts at thin air. Your posts have lost all sense.

crazyml -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:21:43 PM)
I am going to assume that there's a big misunderstanding at play here, and that you're not being a nasty little shitbag. The misunderstanding is either mine, or yours. My understanding of what PS was saying, and he said it in the context of "grooming" is that some of the victims were so vulnerable and so effectively "groomed" that they felt they were in love with their abusers. I did not understand his words to mean that that "love" was right or normal, or that it in any way excused the horrific acts of abuse that were perpetrated against them. It does seem that you, and Aylee, have interpreted his words as some how seeking to down play the horridness of these acts by making an argument that these girls were in "love" and "consenting" to the abuse. Now PS can clear it up simply by pointing out his intent, and if it turns out that his stance is that he does indeed believe that in some cases there was no abuse because the girls were in love with the people accused of abusing them then I will apologise to you both in spades, and join you in condemning the attitude. That said... Aylee's comedy post still stands as one of the most disgusting things I have read on these boards.

Moderator3 -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:27:36 PM)
FR If you all are going to have a thread battle, please make sure that the name of the member you quote is in the quote. I am not going back through the posts repeatedly to see which member said what. Thank you

TheHeretic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:35:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Well, I am not even getting into comparing American sex crimes Vs UK sex crimes How about comparing the UK racism of giving people a pass on raping children because of the color of their skin, to the American racism you cast shrieking allegations of?

PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:38:14 PM)
quote: It does seem that you, and Aylee, have interpreted his words as some how seeking to down play the horridness of these acts by making an argument that these girls were in "love" and "consenting" to the abuse. It's that that really flabbergasts me, Crazy. This has revolted the whole nation and we're walking around with bile in our mouths. I don't know whether we're looking at dogma amongst certain posters, here, or projection of dogma onto us. Maybe it's a shedload of both. Whatever. It's just frigging lunatic. To those posters: seriously, do you think we're fine with what came up in Rotherham? That we'd just like to sweep it all away? What world do you live in, and what world do you think we live in, or want to live in?

dreamysubmale -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:39:38 PM)
Sanity In "Christian" countries, such acts are universally criminal while in many Islamic states the government carries out or condones many such deeds quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: dreamysubmale I don’t condone any terrorist acts or militant groups, but since I’m fair and balanced on my views have a look at his link bellow. These Christian Al Qaeda militias in the Philippines are known to be more violent and vicious than any Islamist terrorist group that we know of, including IS. They are known to eat their killed enemy’s body parts as part of a ritual. Oh, and last I looked, the Philippines was a predominantly Catholic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaga In this one case LucyLastic may be correct Cherry picking? Not at all Sanity, i was merely trying to inform and educate you.

PeonForHer -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:40:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Well, I am not even getting into comparing American sex crimes Vs UK sex crimes How about comparing the UK racism of giving people a pass on raping children because of the color of their skin, to the American racism you cast shrieking allegations of? Wow. Lower than that and you'd reach the centre of Earth.

crazyml -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Well, I am not even getting into comparing American sex crimes Vs UK sex crimes How about comparing the UK racism of giving people a pass on raping children because of the color of their skin, to the American racism you cast shrieking allegations of? Actually, it'll be really interesting to make that comparison in a little time. I very much hope we'll see how many heads roll, see how policies are changed, see how a civilised country should respond when it uncovers a hateful cancer like this. Bear in mind that I say "hope".... If we don't face up to the challenges that lie underneath this foul episode then any comparison isn't going to be flattering to the UK.

TheHeretic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:47:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml That said... Aylee's comedy post still stands as one of the most disgusting things I have read on these boards. Then you may be as deeply fucked in the head and soul as Polite, when the phrase he chose to pull out of that whole report he's so proud of reading was "they found a form of love they weren't getting at home." That, or you really don't read much, and should retract immediately, with an apology for being a douchebag.

TheHeretic -> RE: Rotherham child abuse and the cover up (8/30/2014 6:49:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Wow. Lower than that and you'd reach the centre of Earth. And I'd still be looking down in disgust on people who proudly foster a climate where "accused racist" is worse than "child rapist."

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