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truckinslave -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:31:09 PM)

12. Are "honor killings" ever justified?
13. What does the Koran say you should do to me if I say: "Mohammed is not a prophet"?
14. What does the Koran say you should do to me if I say: "Allah is not God"?




subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:37:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

12. Are "honor killings" ever justified?
13. What does the Koran say you should do to me if I say: "Mohammed is not a prophet"?
14. What does the Koran say you should do to me if I say: "Allah is not God"?


15. Here is my artist's rendering of Mohammed (show a well-done artistic drawing). What is your reaction?
16. Here is a set of satirical cartoons. The first mocks Jesus and Christians. The second mocks Jews. The third mocks Hindus. the fourth mocks Muslims and includes a cartoon representation of Mohammed. Please tell me your reaction to each and what if anything should be done about them or done to the cartoonist.




thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:42:08 PM)


ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

You're great at misdirection, thompsonx.

One mans misdirection is another man exposing your hypocracy/ignorance/stupidity/cupidity.


Problem is that today, Muslims are killing Christians by the bucketload.


So what? Why should I care? I am an athiest. I think all those mindless phoques who think that their imaginary friend is better than someone elses imaginary friend should all go buy as many tickets as they can for the body bag lotto. It is just that many morons not breathing up my air.


Muslims are engaging in terrorist acts by the bucketload.

Lol...what is a drone attack?



Muslims are stoning women to death for adultery


Stoned women are hawt...unlike drunks who will tell you the truth.[:(]



even if the woman's been raped. Muslims all over the world almost never speak out to condemn such acts,

You know this because you travel the world over and read newspapers published in arabic, none of which have condemed these acts sufficiently in your mind.[8|]Of course you have.


ISIS excepted. Muslims around the world celebrated 9/11.

You might want to google up what the president of hewlett packard said.



Without going back to the Inquisition, and certainly by sticking to present times, you are shall we say anachronistically challenged.


How far back do you think is appropriate?

Misdirection is all you have when the facts of what occur today shout and, very often, even provide visuals, as to the actual beliefs of Muslims.

Misdirection is all you have when the facts of what occure today shout and very often,even provide visuals, as to the actual beliefs of christians.

I am pretty sure that the muslims and the whole world know that the u.s. is a christian country by all appearances. I think john q adams was the last president to not attend a christian church every sunday. Just as you see islam a religious/political concept worthy of your hatred so also might they view the actions of washington/christians?





The Muslims you're trying to talk about are themselves apostates because they no longer follow the tenets of the religion. Your techniques may work on some, but they certainly don't work on those of us familiar with magic tricks.

Only a fool would prefer magic tricks to truth.





truckinslave -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:42:28 PM)

Yeah, the list is pretty much endless.

We forgot to wan people to wear their kevelar. Of course, if they need the warning, failure to do so will doubtless improve the gene pool.




FieryOpal -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:45:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Cite, please, which Christian scriptures are "exceedingly hateful"? I can't find any in my New Testament edition translations.

What was it got gods underware in a bunch so bad he rained fire and brimstone down on a town named after the very concept of pegging? For those who appreciate the sensual manipulation of that orifice that might be considered an "indicator" of sorts that they had made someones "shit list".

Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

I have first hand experience with jurisdictions where that is illegal[:(]

You have a strange way of viewing "Love." Would your "first hand experience" be relegated to your right hand, perchance? [8D]




subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:48:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You are really trying to argue that all Muslims strictly adhere to the teachings of Mohammad / the Quran?


No I am arguing that many of you who claim to be islamophobic are racist. #

Are you really suggesting every one who identifies as a Christian is a strict adherent ?



We are making progress

Thats right, not all Muslims are Islamic

Now lets work on your strange belief that disliking an evil ideology is the same as racism



Ok... let's work on that. Shall we???
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ORIGINAL: Merriam Webster
Main Entry:racism
Function:noun
Date:1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
–racist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

--- together with ---

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ORIGINAL: Merriam Webster
Main Entry:3) race
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
Date:1580

1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics *the English race*
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength


So -
Q: "disliking an evil ideology" would be???
A: racial prejudice or discrimination!
Q: "the same as racism"... as in, based on "race"; would be???
A: people unified by shared interests... as in, following a religion, maybe?

Ergo: disliking an evil ideology IS 'racism'. BINGO!!!



One would think that such an inclusive definition would include the use of the word "religion." It doesn't. This leads me to believe that religion is not among the class of people unified by shared interests such as the English race. Regarding your comment on ideology, so if you hate capitalism, you're a racist? Or for that matter, if you hate Marxism, you're a racist? Methinks not.

If we break that apart further we get: a class or group of people unified by shared interests, which parsed means: "a class or group of people" (subject) =[who are] "unified by shared interests." So you have to start with the class or group of people. These could be the English people or the Germans, for example. The definition doesn't say "A class or group of people whose class or group is defined by their having shared interests" (and THIS definition would support your claim). Rather it starts with the precondition of a class or group of people. Only once you have such people do you ask if there are shared interests. My refined definition would making racism even apply to Yankees fans. Hate people who are Yankees fans? Then you're a racist!! But that isn't what the definition says or how it parses. And, yes, I know a lot about the English language. A lot. So I am correct here.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:49:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Yeah, the list is pretty much endless.


And those questions are deliberate trolling [8|]




subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:50:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Cite, please, which Christian scriptures are "exceedingly hateful"? I can't find any in my New Testament edition translations.

What was it got gods underware in a bunch so bad he rained fire and brimstone down on a town named after the very concept of pegging? For those who appreciate the sensual manipulation of that orifice that might be considered an "indicator" of sorts that they had made someones "shit list".

ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

I have first hand experience with jurisdictions where that is illegal[:(]



Fire and brimstone in the New Testament? By the way, that was God raining it down. Yahweh was a vengeful God. He took the vengeance. He didn't tell his people to go around and kill the infidels. The Quran doesn't say Allah will kill the infidels. It says Muslims themselves are to kill them.




PeonForHer -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:51:20 PM)

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Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).


Wow, I didn't know that. Did Jesus trash the Old Testament, then, and say that we should all ignore it? If so, why's it still in the Bible?

It says on lots of my official documents that I'm a Christian, but I've always thought that implied I bought into the whole of the Bible.

I wonder if this kind of major mistake is made by people of other religions, too?




subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:51:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Yeah, the list is pretty much endless.


And those questions are deliberate trolling [8|]


They're the opposite of trolling.

If Muslims are so reasonable, why not go and ask them? This is putting those who say Muslims themselves are fine to go out and find out for yourself. What are you so afraid of? Oh ...




thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:52:30 PM)


ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).


I have never seen a christian bible without the ot. The bible and the koran... same same ...gotta take it all or none.
Me, I have no dog in this fight, I am an athiest. History is replete with the chronicles of wars of agrandisement cloked in the garments of religion.




ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?


I have first hand experience with jurisdictions where that is illegal[:(]


You have a strange way of viewing "Love." Would your "first hand experience" be relegated to your right hand, perchance? [8D]


Being ambidexterous does not make one bi[8|]




subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:54:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).


Wow, I didn't know that. Did Jesus trash the Old Testament, then, and say that we should all ignore it? If so, why's it still in the Bible?

It says on lots of my official documents that I'm a Christian, but I've always thought that implied I bought into the whole of the Bible.

I wonder if this kind of major mistake is made by people of other religions, too?


The Quran specifically includes the doctrine of abrogation. All of Mohammed's later sayings control. if they contradict what he said while in Mecca, then the Medina doctrines apply. That's not me. That's Islam.

Jews hold to the Old Testament, well, the Torah. Depends of course on whether they are Orthodox, Reform, etc. Jesus didn't speak in the Old Testament :) If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:57:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
One would think that such an inclusive definition would include the use of the word "religion." It doesn't.

It doesn't need to - it is already covered.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
This leads me to believe that religion is not among the class of people unified by shared interests... <snip>

Then you are a fool.
You don't have to spell out every single nuance and permutations when a catch-all phrase is used.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Regarding your comment on ideology, so if you hate capitalism, you're a racist? Or for that matter, if you hate Marxism, you're a racist? Methinks not.

Actually, keeping to the strictest definition of 'racism'... yes, it would.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

If we break that apart further we get: a class or group of people unified by shared interests, which parsed means: "a class or group of people" (subject) =[who are] "unified by shared interests." So you have to start with the class or group of people. These could be the English people or the Germans, for example. The definition doesn't say "A class or group of people whose class or group is defined by their having shared interests" (and THIS definition would support your claim). Rather it starts with the precondition of a class or group of people. Only once you have such people do you ask if there are shared interests. My refined definition would making racism even apply to Yankees fans. Hate people who are Yankees fans? Then you're a racist!! But that isn't what the definition says or how it parses. And, yes, I know a lot about the English language. A lot. So I am correct here.

Your parser is faulty. It makes presumptions not in the initial definition. [8|]

If you want to refine your parser, your starting group is "people", further parsed as "following the Muslim faith".

We all know what ASSUME means - and you fell into it right up to your neck and beyond. [:D]




thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:57:47 PM)


ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.

Cite please[8|]







subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 12:58:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).


I have never seen a christian bible without the ot. The bible and the koran... same same ...gotta take it all or none.
Me, I have no dog in this fight, I am an athiest. History is replete with the chronicles of wars of agrandisement cloked in the garments of religion.




ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?


I have first hand experience with jurisdictions where that is illegal[:(]


You have a strange way of viewing "Love." Would your "first hand experience" be relegated to your right hand, perchance? [8D]


Being ambidexterous does not make one bi[8|]



Which means that you and I both, being atheists, are infidels of the worst kind in the Caliphate.




subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:00:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
One would think that such an inclusive definition would include the use of the word "religion." It doesn't.

It doesn't need to - it is already covered.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
This leads me to believe that religion is not among the class of people unified by shared interests... <snip>

Then you are a fool.
You don't have to spell out every single nuance and permutations when a catch-all phrase is used.

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
Regarding your comment on ideology, so if you hate capitalism, you're a racist? Or for that matter, if you hate Marxism, you're a racist? Methinks not.

Actually, keeping to the strictest definition of 'racism'... yes, it would.

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom

If we break that apart further we get: a class or group of people unified by shared interests, which parsed means: "a class or group of people" (subject) =[who are] "unified by shared interests." So you have to start with the class or group of people. These could be the English people or the Germans, for example. The definition doesn't say "A class or group of people whose class or group is defined by their having shared interests" (and THIS definition would support your claim). Rather it starts with the precondition of a class or group of people. Only once you have such people do you ask if there are shared interests. My refined definition would making racism even apply to Yankees fans. Hate people who are Yankees fans? Then you're a racist!! But that isn't what the definition says or how it parses. And, yes, I know a lot about the English language. A lot. So I am correct here.

Your parser is faulty. It makes presumptions not in the initial definition. [8|]

If you want to refine your parser, your starting group is "people", further parsed as "following the Muslim faith".

We all know what ASSUME means - and you fell into it right up to your neck and beyond. [:D]


"following the Muslim faith" becomes the adjectival phrase I parsed in the definition. Sorry, but my parser kicks ass [:D]




PeonForHer -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:01:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).


Wow, I didn't know that. Did Jesus trash the Old Testament, then, and say that we should all ignore it? If so, why's it still in the Bible?

It says on lots of my official documents that I'm a Christian, but I've always thought that implied I bought into the whole of the Bible.

I wonder if this kind of major mistake is made by people of other religions, too?


The Quran specifically includes the doctrine of abrogation. All of Mohammed's later sayings control. if they contradict what he said while in Mecca, then the Medina doctrines apply. That's not me. That's Islam.

Jews hold to the Old Testament, well, the Torah. Depends of course on whether they are Orthodox, Reform, etc. Jesus didn't speak in the Old Testament :) If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.




So, Jesus didn't trash the Old Testament? Did he say anything about it at all? Why's it still in the Bible, if it has nothing to do with Christianity?




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:03:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
...If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.

Not in the teachings here (and probably for most "christians" too).
It means to follow the teachings of christ - not just his spoken words.

It appears that you have an eclipsed/oblique view of christianity.




Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:04:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

That christian teachings are exceedingly hateful towards all non christians and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

Cite, please, which Christian scriptures are "exceedingly hateful"? I can't find any in my New Testament edition translations.

ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?


From Wikipedia, an example from the New Testament of Jesus reversing Old Testament doctrine, specifically how people should treat "sinners"

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The Pericope Adulterae /pəˈrɪkəpiː əˈdʌltəriː/[1] or Pericope de Adultera is a traditional name for a famous passage (pericope) about Jesus and the woman taken in adultery from verses 7:53-8:11 of the Gospel of John. The passage describes a confrontation between Jesus and the scribes and Pharisees over whether a woman, caught in an act of adultery, ought to be stoned. Jesus shames the crowd into dispersing, and averts the execution.

Although in line with many stories in the Gospels and probably primitive (Didascalia Apostolorum refers to it, possibly Papias also), certain critics[2][3] argue that it was "certainly not part of the original text of St John's Gospel."[4] On the other hand, the Council of Trent declared that the Latin Vulgate was authentic and authoritative, [5] despite the fact that the Vulgate was not composed until the 4th century A.D.. The Latin Vulgate includes the adultery episode in John 7:53-8:11.

The parable, and its messages of suspension of judgment when one is not blameless and tempering justice with mercy, have endured in Christian thought. Both "let him who is without sin, cast the first stone"[6] and "go, and sin no more"[7] have found their way into common usage. The English idiomatic phrase to "cast the first stone" is derived from this passage.[8] The passage has been taken as confirmation of Jesus' ability to write (as opposed to read—in early societies many more people could read than write), otherwise only suggested by implication in the Gospels, but the word "εγραφεν" in 8:8 could mean "draw" as well as "write".[9]

The subject of Jesus' writing on the ground was fairly common in art, especially from the Renaissance onwards; Christ and the Woman Taken in Adultery by Pieter Bruegel is a famous example. There was a medieval tradition, originating in a comment attributed to Ambrose, that the words written were terra terram accusat ("earth accuses earth"),[10] which is shown in some depictions in art, for example the Codex Egberti. There have been other speculative suggestions as to what was written.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:06:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
"following the Muslim faith" becomes the adjectival phrase I parsed in the definition. Sorry, but my parser kicks ass [:D]

Your parser = pushbike compared to Ferrari. It's crap and broken [:D]




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