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subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:07:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi).


Wow, I didn't know that. Did Jesus trash the Old Testament, then, and say that we should all ignore it? If so, why's it still in the Bible?

It says on lots of my official documents that I'm a Christian, but I've always thought that implied I bought into the whole of the Bible.

I wonder if this kind of major mistake is made by people of other religions, too?


The Quran specifically includes the doctrine of abrogation. All of Mohammed's later sayings control. if they contradict what he said while in Mecca, then the Medina doctrines apply. That's not me. That's Islam.

Jews hold to the Old Testament, well, the Torah. Depends of course on whether they are Orthodox, Reform, etc. Jesus didn't speak in the Old Testament :) If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.




So, Jesus didn't trash the Old Testament? Did he say anything about it at all? Why's it still in the Bible, if it has nothing to do with Christianity?



The short answer is that there are different points of view on this. The most common one is that the OT applied until Jesus came. The New Testament is the "New" set of laws, applying forward from that time. That makes the OT still relevant for everything that happened before Jesus's Word was preached. There are some sects that believe the NT completely abrogates the OT. There are many who believe much of the OT is valid -- and in particular those who are fundamentalists believe in the cosmogony and most other laws, but see Jesus's law as supplanting Moses's. There is no single answer here. It depends on the particular faith.



subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:08:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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"following the Muslim faith" becomes the adjectival phrase I parsed in the definition. Sorry, but my parser kicks ass [:D]

Your parser = pushbike compared to Ferrari. It's crap and broken [:D]


Which is why I have a Lamborghini!



subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:10:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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...If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.

Not in the teachings here (and probably for most "christians" too).
It means to follow the teachings of christ - not just his spoken words.

It appears that you have an eclipsed/oblique view of christianity.



Yes, I agree with that. But how do we know the teachings of Christ? Primarily through his spoken words as reported by others. Historically of course, the reports are no more contemporaneous than the text of The Iliad (not precisely true, more like 100 years vs. hundreds of years, but the point is the same).



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:14:34 PM)

In the whole of your previous quote in post# 119, only *3* words stood out.... 'stories', 'parable', and 'speculative'.
All have the meaning of make-believe, would-be/could-be/maybe, unknown, fictional musings.... because that's what the whole bible is - nothing more than a collection of fictional stories written after (sometimes centuries after) the event.



thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:14:55 PM)


ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


Which means that you and I both, being atheists, are infidels of the worst kind in the Caliphate.

The history of christian behaviour towards infidels is well documented and was typically a bit more guresome than simple beheading.



truckinslave -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:16:01 PM)

I hope you do better in our first language.



NorthernGent -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:18:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

To the OP

I suppose this is the same mentality of those who scolded others about the "good Germans" while London was being bombed during WWII...



It really matters in this country to be fair, Rich.

German pilots shot down over England were buried with full military honours. Loads of Germans lived in England during WW1, but it wasn't a problem.

We've never really gone in for bullying just because someone is from a different group and/or that group is at war with us.

I'm not saying we're all sweetness and light because quite clearly that is not the case: shooting 148 people in Amritsar for the crime of protesting is not nice by anyone's standards.

But, that is the exception to the rule.

English and German soldiers had an unwritten rule to not shoot at one another during World War 1, and we had a game of football with them on Christmas Day, which didn't go down well with senior officers.

After the London bombing not long back, it was a measured response: 4 people do not speak for Islam. Similarly, the two lunatics who butchered a British soldier on our streets do not speak for Islam.

If it were the actions of the majority then that would be different, but really we're fair and that means we don't ascribe the actions of one person to another person just because they're of a certain religion which is scaring the life out of the fannies who think they're about to take over the world.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:18:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
...If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament.

Not in the teachings here (and probably for most "christians" too).
It means to follow the teachings of christ - not just his spoken words.

It appears that you have an eclipsed/oblique view of christianity.



Yes, I agree with that. But how do we know the teachings of Christ? Primarily through his spoken words as reported by others....

And we all know what happens in Chinese Whispers don't we.
Even with a very small group and the utmost care taken, what comes out at the end is nothing like how it started.

With the best will in the world, that is why nothing in the bible can ever be believed as being the truth.



Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:21:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

In the whole of your previous quote in post# 119, only *3* words stood out.... 'stories', 'parable', and 'speculative'.
All have the meaning of make-believe, would-be/could-be/maybe, unknown, fictional musings.... because that's what the whole bible is - nothing more than a collection of fictional stories written after (sometimes centuries after) the event.


That is irrelevant to the points being discussed, or to the specific point I was making with that post which is that in the New Testament, Jesus is cast as negating certain Old Testament dictates

If you want to have a discussion about the Bible itself perhaps you should start a new thread?






freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:24:23 PM)

And the thread is about racism and Islamaphobia.

So what the fuck has anything in the bible got to do with it?? [8|]



Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:25:04 PM)


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And the thread is about racism and Islamaphobia.

So what the fuck has anything in the bible got to do with it?? [8|]


Follow the thread back, I am not here to hold your hand.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:25:56 PM)

I have followed since its inception.

What's your excuse??



Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:27:30 PM)


Then you are already aware of which comments my post 119 was in response to, and you are merely trolling.



subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:29:50 PM)


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Which means that you and I both, being atheists, are infidels of the worst kind in the Caliphate.

The history of christian behaviour towards infidels is well documented and was typically a bit more guresome than simple beheading.



The Muslims have picked up on crucifixion, too. They're very good at that. This isn't about history. It's about today. If you or I went to the biggest convention of evangelicals in the world and announced to the entire crowd that we were atheists and thought they were stupid, all we'd get would be 50,000 people praying for us and our souls. Even if there were no police, no government.

Try doing that at an equivalent Muslim convention, without police and government. They'd have our heads. Because it's decreed in the Quran, but yes, first they would offer us the opportunity to "convert." Once we refused, that would be our end.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:30:10 PM)

Really??


Both PS and I have proved that your definition/interpretation of 'racism' is incorrect according to English language definitions and supported by an international dictionary.

You bring in the bible - which does not address either points in the title of the thread; ie, racism and Islamophobia.

So who is off topic??? [:D]



Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:34:54 PM)


You can be quite thick sometimes.

Here are two of the posts that my post 119 were in response to:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4727365

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4727335



thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:36:31 PM)


ORIGINAL: Sanity

That is irrelevant to the points being discussed, or to the specific point I was making with that post which is that in the New Testament, Jesus is cast as negating certain Old Testament dictates

So by picking and choosing what to quote from the fuck book of your possie you think you have parsed the argument into term that only include what you want and nothing else. If you like jacking off in public please continue to indulge yourself and we will continue to point out that you are getting that sticky shit all over yourself.



If you want to have a discussion about the Bible itself perhaps you should start a new thread?

You are the one who seeks to equate one persons imaginary friend with yours and prove that somehow your imaginary friend is a good guy and thiers is a bad one.







freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:38:21 PM)

How droll. You didn't answer either post - just a mere reference to "bible".



Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:42:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

How droll. You didn't answer either post - just a mere reference to "bible".


One post was quoted in my post 119, the other was immediately above it.

Zoom.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:44:02 PM)

You quote didn't answer either post - not effectively.
Try reading it with your eyes OPEN!



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