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Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 1:51:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You quote didn't answer either post - not effectively. Try reading it with your eyes OPEN! My apologies, I do not have the patience to continue trying to make my answers simple enough for you to understand them.

cloudboy -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 2:15:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic To the OP I suppose this is the same mentality of those who scolded others about the "good Germans" while London was being bombed during WWII... Any evidence of this or is it just more bollocks ? Let me guess, its just more bollocks, like most of your posts these days. It was an idiotic comment. Charles Blow had a great column today about how Obama needs to rise above the war mongers, the Fox News Noise Machine, and right wing hawks who are spooked about ISIS. In the NYT this week there were competing editorials from John McCain and John Kerry about what to do. Given that there's no current direct threat to the USA right now, and also that ISIS is sowing the seeds of it's own demise by alienating nearly everyone in its path -- the USA should put together a strong international coalition to deal with it. To deal with ISIS -- IRAQ needs to wake up -- and realize the cost of Maliki's sectarian policies. Russia, by propping up Assad in Syria, has prevented any kind of solution to the catastrophe there. Wealthy Oil barons in the middle east are also funding this movement -- and an International Coalition should seek a stop to it. Without funding, air support, and strong international opposition ISIS can be broken down -- plus local populations will be glad to have then driven out.

FieryOpal -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 2:49:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Again, I respectfully request, please cite which Christian scriptures do you derive your source(s) in the New Testament teachings? The Old Testament is not Christian. It contains Messianic prophecies, but predate Jesus Christ by at least 400 years (per the Book of Malachi). I have never seen a christian bible without the ot. The bible and the koran... same same ...gotta take it all or none. Me, I have no dog in this fight, I am an athiest. History is replete with the chronicles of wars of agrandisement cloked in the garments of religion. Then you haven't studied the Protestant Reformation, or the life of Martin Luther? If not, then you have a huge gap in your knowledge base if you were not acutely aware of this major historical event and its wide-reaching ripple effects. Just 40-45 years ago, military chaplains were handing out KJV New Testament bibles (in the middle of which is the Book of Psalms for prayers), which is what was given out in Sunday School to all Christian children regardless of denomination. Those Protestants who choose to take the path of in-depth Bible Study, and those denominations & sects which value the prophetic tradition, study both since the NT contains passages concerning Jesus fulfilling the Messianic prophecies, mainly in the Books of the Prophets. Considering that this was not common knowledge to you, then how can you base your opinions about Christianity when, admittedly, you are not able to differentiate between Catholic and Protestant doctrine? Basically all of your assumptions (and those like you) about Christianity are half-arsed ones. quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Wow, I didn't know that. Did Jesus trash the Old Testament, then, and say that we should all ignore it? If so, why's it still in the Bible? It says on lots of my official documents that I'm a Christian, but I've always thought that implied I bought into the whole of the Bible. I wonder if this kind of major mistake is made by people of other religions, too? Given that you are British, you do know how the Anglican Church of England came about under King Henry VIII? How it broke away from the (Mother) Catholic Church? Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 (ESV-English Standard Version): “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." ("Abolish" in Greek kataluo, literally means “to loosen down," and in classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”) When you study any discipline, you refer back to earlier sources through the lens of your modern, more comprehensive understanding of the subject matter or this particular field. Back in my father's day, you worked your way up in Engineering by becoming a Surveyor and surveying roads, drawing up or detailing maps (not necessarily to the extent of being a cartographer), a Draftsman drawing up blueprints, then you studied Architecture and designed structures. Blueprints were drawn by hand, there were no electronic calculators. Now all of that graphic design is computerized. Getting back to calculators, do we rely upon them solely and not learn the basic fundamentals of mathematics or of mathematical theory anymore?

NorthernGent -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 3:06:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Then you haven't studied the Protestant Reformation, or the life of Martin Luther? If not, then you have a huge gap in your knowledge base if you were not acutely aware of this major historical event and its wide-reaching ripple effects. Just 40-45 years ago, military chaplains were handing out KJV New Testament bibles (in the middle of which is the Book of Psalms for prayers), which is what was given out in Sunday School to all Christian children regardless of denomination. Those Protestants who choose to take the path of in-depth Bible Study, and those denominations & sects which value the prophetic tradition, study both since the NT contains passages concerning Jesus fulfilling the Messianic prophecies, mainly in the Books of the Prophets. Considering that this was not common knowledge to you, then how can you base your opinions about Christianity when, admittedly, you are not able to differentiate between Catholic and Protestant doctrine? Basically all of your assumptions (and those like you) about Christianity are half-arsed ones. FieryOpal, Britain constitutes England, Scotland and Wales. The Scots certainly did have a reformation. We, the English, didn't. We had a mere falling out of with the Pope, which is entirely different to a reformation. The Germans and Scots certainly had a reformation; we retained many catholic practices within the Church of England. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Given that you are British, you do know how the Anglican Church of England came about under King Henry VIII? How it broke away from the (Mother) Catholic Church? Henry VIII remained a catholic throughout his life. The Church of England came about because we wanted the best of all worlds, are born to compromise, and we're a pragmatic people who don't go in for dogma. There aren't many churches in this world where if you ask a vicar/parson/priest what it means to follow that religion, the answer you receive will usually begin with: "well, it depends".

NorthernGent -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 3:08:53 PM)
Oh, and Martin Luther and the Church of England are almost polar opposites in practice.

Politesub53 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 3:43:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Hopefully if I ever need a dictionary, it wont be yours. You believe that you are so all-knowing that you never need a dictionary Even when well-intentioned people try to point out how you could benefit from the use of one Seriously, "racism" isn't what you think it is Seriously, it is. Spouting otherwise wont help your cause.

Politesub53 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 3:52:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave No. All Muslims are Islamic. Allegedly, not all Muslims are Islamists (although to be so is required by the Koran). More ignorance from someone who states he is proud to be islamophobic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarah-sayeed-phd/searching-for-common-grou_b_5376617.html << Try and learn something.

thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 3:52:42 PM)
ORIGINAL: FieryOpal I have never seen a christian bible without the ot. The bible and the koran... same same ...gotta take it all or none. Me, I have no dog in this fight, I am an athiest. History is replete with the chronicles of wars of agrandisement cloked in the garments of religion. [/quote] Then you haven't studied the Protestant Reformation, or the life of Martin Luther? If not, then you have a huge gap in your knowledge base if you were not acutely aware of this major historical event and its wide-reaching ripple effects. While I was studying for the priesthood I am pretty sure that came up. Then again at university it was required reading. Just 40-45 years ago, military chaplains were handing out KJV New Testament bibles (in the middle of which is the Book of Psalms for prayers), which is what was given out in Sunday School to all Christian children regardless of denomination. Those Protestants who choose to take the path of in-depth Bible Study, and those denominations & sects which value the prophetic tradition, study both since the NT contains passages concerning Jesus fulfilling the Messianic prophecies, mainly in the Books of the Prophets. Considering that this was not common knowledge to you, You would be the only one considering that opinion. then how can you base your opinions about Christianity when, admittedly, you are not able to differentiate between Catholic and Protestant doctrine? That would be your opinion based on I do not know what? Basically all of your assumptions (and those like you) about Christianity are half-arsed ones. The only basic opinion I have about all religion is that I am an adult and I do not need an imaginary friend to make me feel special. When you study any discipline, you refer back to earlier sources through the lens of your modern, more comprehensive understanding of the subject matter or this particular field. Back in my father's day, you worked your way up in Engineering by becoming a Surveyor and surveying roads, drawing up or detailing maps (not necessarily to the extent of being a cartographer), a Draftsman drawing up blueprints, then you studied Architecture and designed structures. I took the l.s. in 1969, as soon as I was old enough. I did not have to do any of that. I studied surveying in jr. college and worked one summer as an intern for a surveying co. as an assstant chainman. Drafting blueprints by hand was a required course. Trig was the only math needed.

Politesub53 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 3:58:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom The Quran specifically includes the doctrine of abrogation. All of Mohammed's later sayings control. if they contradict what he said while in Mecca, then the Medina doctrines apply. That's not me. That's Islam. Jews hold to the Old Testament, well, the Torah. Depends of course on whether they are Orthodox, Reform, etc. Jesus didn't speak in the Old Testament :) If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament. Lets not forget you claim to be atheist eh. As for your notion that you know a lot about the English langauge, I dont think so brains.

subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:04:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom The Quran specifically includes the doctrine of abrogation. All of Mohammed's later sayings control. if they contradict what he said while in Mecca, then the Medina doctrines apply. That's not me. That's Islam. Jews hold to the Old Testament, well, the Torah. Depends of course on whether they are Orthodox, Reform, etc. Jesus didn't speak in the Old Testament :) If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus, meaning you follow the New Testament. Lets not forget you claim to be atheist eh. As for your notion that you know a lot about the English langauge, I dont think so brains. I "claim" to be an atheist? I don't know what I am? That's ... um ... intriguing as a POV. Are you suggesting that because I am an atheist, I don't know anything about religion? Joseph Campbell wasn't religious. Do you think your knowledge was superior to his? I'm also not a Miami Heat fan (or Cleveland Cavs), but I still know who Lebron James is, too. Isn't that shocking? As for the English language, yeah, I do. I've taught writing at what most consider to be a Top 10 school (academics, not sports). I also write, inter alia, for a living. So, yeah, I know a lot about the language. Do I know as much about linguistics as Noam Chomsky? No. Do you? Which, of course, is not the same as writing.

Politesub53 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:09:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom I "claim" to be an atheist? I don't know what I am? That's ... um ... intriguing as a POV. Are you suggesting that because I am an atheist, I don't know anything about religion? Joseph Campbell wasn't religious. Do you think your knowledge was superior to his? I'm also not a Miami Heat fan (or Cleveland Cavs), but I still know who Lebron James is, too. Isn't that shocking? As for the English language, yeah, I do. I've taught writing at what most consider to be a Top 10 school (academics, not sports). I also write, inter alia, for a living. So, yeah, I know a lot about the language. Do I know as much about linguistics as Noam Chomsky? No. Do you? Which, of course, is not the same as writing. No English language teacher would use the words you often do, such as yeah. So your claim doesnt hold much water with me. I already know you used one sock recently, so you probably have more, therefore all your claims to be this or that are suspect, at the very least. As for being an Atheist, here you are insisting facts or right, in a subject you dont believe in, thats ironic, N`est pas ?

truckinslave -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:09:41 PM)
From oxforddictionaries: Muslim: A follower of the religion of Islam. Islamic: Relating to Islam: the Islamic world Islamic law Islamism: Islamic militancy or fundamentalism. Derivatives Islamist So. As I said before, according to oxford dictionaries: All Muslims are Islamic. Allegedly, not all Muslims are Islamists (although to be so is required by the Koran). Regardless of drivel on HuffnPo I disagree with those who say you are acting stupid.

Politesub53 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:13:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave From oxforddictionaries: Muslim: A follower of the religion of Islam. Islamic: Relating to Islam: the Islamic world Islamic law Islamism: Islamic militancy or fundamentalism. Derivatives Islamist So. As I said before, according to oxford dictionaries: All Muslims are Islamic. Allegedly, not all Muslims are Islamists (although to be so is required by the Koran). Regardless of drivel on HuffnPo I disagree with those who say you are acting stupid. yes a Muslim woman taling about her own Religion and the terms Islamic and Islamist is talking drivel. This from a proud islamophobe (Your own words), but please excuse me if I take her word over your bullshit.

subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom I "claim" to be an atheist? I don't know what I am? That's ... um ... intriguing as a POV. Are you suggesting that because I am an atheist, I don't know anything about religion? Joseph Campbell wasn't religious. Do you think your knowledge was superior to his? I'm also not a Miami Heat fan (or Cleveland Cavs), but I still know who Lebron James is, too. Isn't that shocking? As for the English language, yeah, I do. I've taught writing at what most consider to be a Top 10 school (academics, not sports). I also write, inter alia, for a living. So, yeah, I know a lot about the language. Do I know as much about linguistics as Noam Chomsky? No. Do you? Which, of course, is not the same as writing. No English language teacher would use the words you often do, such as yeah. So your claim doesnt hold much water with me. I already know you used one sock recently, so you probably have more, therefore all your claims to be this or that are suspect, at the very least. As for being an Atheist, here you are insisting facts or right, in a subject you dont believe in, thats ironic, N`est pas ? Apparently you are unfamiliar with formal and informal styles of writing or with the use of jargon, patois and the like as needed. If you want to understand something about writing for different audiences, in different voices and for different purposes, perhaps reading Ogilvy on Advertising would give you a clue. If you want to understand something about the English language itself, Fowler's 1st or 2nd edition (not the PC-attenuated 3rd) is highly recommended. If I am writing to a doctor: I might say: Your Dx is not only incorrect, but if your prescription were used, the iatrogenic effects would be deadly. If I am writing to an average person, I'd likely say: Your doctor not only got your diagnosis wrong, but the meds he wants you to take might actually kill you. You may be one of those people who think sentences can't end in prepositions or begin with conjunctions. Churchill would disagree. In fact, taking a break and reading a bit of 'ole Winston might very well be the prescription for what ails you. True dat.

subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:15:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave From oxforddictionaries: Muslim: A follower of the religion of Islam. Islamic: Relating to Islam: the Islamic world Islamic law Islamism: Islamic militancy or fundamentalism. Derivatives Islamist So. As I said before, according to oxford dictionaries: All Muslims are Islamic. Allegedly, not all Muslims are Islamists (although to be so is required by the Koran). Regardless of drivel on HuffnPo I disagree with those who say you are acting stupid. yes a Muslim woman taling about her own Religion and the terms Islamic and Islamist is talking drivel. This from a proud islamophobe (Your own words), but please excuse me if I take her word over your bullshit. A proud Muslim woman, self-described, is certainly going to engage in taqiyya. Yeah.

thompsonx -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:16:31 PM)
ORIGINAL: subrosaDom Do I know as much about linguistics as Noam Chomsky? No. Do you? As a matter of fact yes! Which, of course, is not the same as writing. It is difficult to write effectively if one does not command the language.

subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: subrosaDom Do I know as much about linguistics as Noam Chomsky? No. Do you? As a matter of fact yes! Which, of course, is not the same as writing. It is difficult to write effectively if one does not command the language. 1) Despite the fact that I despise Chomsky's political views, he is pretty much nonpareil as a linguist. So unless you are Pinker or at a similar level, I hope you understand why I doubt your first claim. 2) I couldn't agree more. Really.

Politesub53 -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:22:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom A proud Muslim woman, self-described, is certainly going to engage in taqiyya. Yeah. How about if I stop using the word racist and just use the blanket term "hateful pricks" ?

Sanity -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:30:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 How about if I stop using the word racist and just use the blanket term "hateful pricks" ? Cant you all just feel the love thats oozing out of this peaceful, enlightened man [sm=hippie.gif]

subrosaDom -> RE: Racism and Islamophobia. (9/1/2014 4:31:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: subrosaDom A proud Muslim woman, self-described, is certainly going to engage in taqiyya. Yeah. How about if I stop using the word racist and just use the blanket term "hateful pricks" ? That's your choice. The first is wrong. The second is innuendo and makes no difference to me.

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