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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 11:31:39 AM   
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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 11:33:28 AM   
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Case in point?

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 11:35:40 AM   
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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 12:43:56 PM   
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Bad grammar, writing style etc bugs me. There is a particular pleasure in reading a piece of writing that is well laid out, well written and punctuated correctly.

However I accept that that is a kink of mine.

For others writing is about communication, nothing more, if they write something that gets the point across then it is a perfunctory piece of writing and nothing else needs be done.

I imagine if I dated someone with that attitude they would very quickly bother me - as I imagine my fascination with words would annoy her.

I don't see language usage as a marker of intelligence, I've known some fabulously intelligent people who wrote abysmally, I simply see it as a mark of compatibility.

I agree with this; it is a marker of compatibility. Fluency with the language and grammar often demonstrates educational level, or a penchant for reading. Both matter to me.

The medium affects perceptions too. If people write poorly in a written communication forum their content will be distorted, much the same way that a public speaker who stutters and stammers is often ineffective giving a speech. Like it or not, adept handling of the communication medium matters.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 12:58:11 PM   
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hmmm???


I think it was my "begone" over the Sesame Street thang ;)

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 1:28:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does the English language pedant carry this over into the spoken language and if not why not?.

When I come to America I have difficulty understanding certain words. English say 'route' as 'root'. You guys say something like 'raute'. You say 'fillay', the English say 'fillet'. You say 'fag' we think you mean 'cigarette'!

And how the hell do you guys cope when you come to certain parts of the UK? 'Its rite good eer init' and 'ya faffin bowt nofing lass' is a language most regularly used here.



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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 1:40:38 PM   
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Does the English language pedant carry this over into the spoken language and if not why not?.




I'm American, born and raised. When I first started seeing my Canadian bf, he told me that he was "really pissed" the night before. My first thought was *gasp* did I do something to make you mad? --- Nope...apparently it means "really drunk" north of the border. LOL

I think, over the years, I've gotten used to a lot of these differences in meanings. Now, as to spelling? I still go to the ATMs up there and chuckle when they ask me whether I want to take the money out of my savings or *chequing* account. Still can't get used to that one.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 1:45:49 PM   
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Does the English language pedant carry this over into the spoken language and if not why not?.

When I come to America I have difficulty understanding certain words. English say 'route' as 'root'. You guys say something like 'raute'. You say 'fillay', the English say 'fillet'. You say 'fag' we think you mean 'cigarette'!

And how the hell do you guys cope when you come to certain parts of the UK? 'Its rite good eer init' and 'ya faffin bowt nofing lass' is a language most regularly used here.




No. What you'll find is that 90% of the grammar nazis on the net, have those very obnoxious idiosyncrasies that make you want to either puke or laugh historically at them.

1. The eye roller: mired in their own delusions they will roll their eyes at every perceived wrong.
2. The eye flutterer: they have there own code and own encyclopedia/dictionary of how it is... Usually all wrong, but they have it. As they inhale deeply they begin to flutter their eyelids like two moths fucking and then they school you.
3. The sighing scholar: this idiot will sigh at every perceived wrong or inadequacy and then, as if it is the burden of Atlas, correct everything you did wrong.

There are about a billion more of these twits out there, those are my top three idiots in the idiot hall of fame. The one thing you will always find in common with all the above idiots, is they love gossip more than anything. They live for gossip and shit stirring... But hey, thats what small minds do.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 3:18:54 PM   
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I still go to the ATMs up there and chuckle when they ask me whether I want to take the money out of my savings or *chequing* account. Still can't get used to that one.


There is a world of difference between US banks and Canadian banks.. in Canada if you use your bank card and don't have enough in your account they tell you your purchase can't be completed, here in the US the bank wont tell you that, instead it will let you buy the item(s) and then nail you with a $35 nsf fee plus interest plus, plus, plus.. US banks suck big time..

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 3:25:37 PM   
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PS .. There is absolutely nothing wrong with text-speak or hip-hop dialect when used by responsible adults.
Yes, U has been a one-letter word for many decades, and the sky never fell once.



With people you know, I agree, but think it is lazy and rude to use with strangers.

I don't listen to hip hop and abhor text speak. When people use it in an introductory email and I ask them not to in my profile, I know we are incompatible and end the conversation quickly. I might give them a chance (if they have a halfway decent profile) and remind them I dislike text speak and don't respond to it, but if they continue, it's an instant block.

I'm not trying to say people who use text speak or hip hop dialect are bad people, they just aren't for me. For me, it implies laziness particularly when we are dealing with a three letter word. Lazy doesn't necessarily mean bad.

When I was heavy, I didn't blame a guy for not being attracted to my morbid obesity (I know to many that looks like laziness), so I don't see why I should be made out to be a bad guy for being attracted to people who don't use text speak or hip hop dialects.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/3/2014 3:44:31 PM   
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Does the English language pedant carry this over into the spoken language and if not why not?.




I'm American, born and raised. When I first started seeing my Canadian bf, he told me that he was "really pissed" the night before. My first thought was *gasp* did I do something to make you mad? --- Nope...apparently it means "really drunk" north of the border. LOL

I think, over the years, I've gotten used to a lot of these differences in meanings. Now, as to spelling? I still go to the ATMs up there and chuckle when they ask me whether I want to take the money out of my savings or *chequing* account. Still can't get used to that one.



Not just north of the boarder! Here in NH thats a thing too. Only we say "We got WICKED PISSED eatin' lobstah last night!"

My grandparents were French Canadian- They taught themselves English and I'm proud of them for that- but sometimes I have a hard time understanding what they mean:

"Take the table off"= Clear the table
"Side By Each"= Stand next to one another
They say things like "Throw me down the stairs my shoes"- which is clear in meaning- but pretty much ignores how a sentence should be put together.

As far as correcting grammar on the web? Unless its like...really brutal or text speak- I just give it a pass. I have dyslexia- so I miss some mistake here and there- I'm sure it irritates some idiots, but they can suck it =/

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/4/2014 12:49:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The French Canadians are as about as different to the French (language wise) as the Americans are to the English. The French have adopted a lot more English words into the language than the French Canadians who steadfastly hold onto theirs.

I recently read an article about how accents are formed and why we lose them. I was surprised to learn that in many parts of American, they speak with an accent much closer to how the English used to speak centuries ago. The English still living in the UK have now lost that accent.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/4/2014 1:15:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		We'll I like this place because everybody has to give me the benefit of the doubt. Not only can I not type but half the letters on my kybd. have warn off. I started this 15 minutes ago.

I am being tested just typing this much. But no, I don't care for text-speak at all.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/4/2014 1:23:30 AM   
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I'm a lover of languages and I think quite a few valid points have been made.

Laziness, in some cases, is a fair description. Familiarity would be the other side of that coin.

I think there's a deeper issue. I'm reminded of the phrase: "What you permit, you promote." I have a hard time promoting the bastardization of a language.

I moved to this part of the country, not long ago and the people here have a habit of saying things like: "The dog needs walked." or "The dishes need washed." It drives me fucking nuts. I believe it does make otherwise intelligent people sound lazy/illiterate.

In a forum such as this where the written word is all we have, awkward use of language can be distracting and can detract from the point if it is constant.

I'm not speaking about 3 mis-used commas in a six paragraph post. I'm talking about a wall-of-text with mis-spelled words, mixed metaphors, text speak, and an over-all sense of "well, I know what I'm saying. if you don't, too bad." What's the point in making a post, then if not to communicate with others?

I just went back to school and it amazes me how many college students don't have a clue how to communicate, using the written word. One of my professors asked the class what a gerund was, today and not one person (Except me) knew. It's a shame that that is the case in a school of higher education.

Now, I find that I am completely comfortable allowing people I don't care about to seem lazy or inarticulate but, when someone means something to me, I want others to know them for the intelligent people that I know them to be.







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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/4/2014 4:19:15 AM   
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I moved to this part of the country, not long ago and the people here have a habit of saying things like: "The dog needs walked." or "The dishes need washed." It drives me fucking nuts. I believe it does make otherwise intelligent people sound lazy/illiterate.


I say "The dog needs walked" and "The dishes need washed". Its very much a northern English way of speaking and it drives my other half nuts but then he's an Aspie and only understands correctly versed English. Another thing we say is, "do you want to walk the dog" and "do you want to wash the dishes" but it isn't a question.

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I'm not speaking about 3 mis-used commas in a six paragraph post. I'm talking about a wall-of-text with mis-spelled words, mixed metaphors, text speak, and an over-all sense of "well, I know what I'm saying. if you don't, too bad." What's the point in making a post, then if not to communicate with others?


Have you heard of Alexia? Its word blindness often acquired in adulthood through illness. Have you heard of Dyslexia? It is often inherited but can be acquired later in life and it affects 20% or 1 in 5 Americans.

The thing is, they do think they are communicating. I'm sure their written word looks just fine to them. Its often obvious, at least to me, when someone is dyslexic and its fairly clear when someone isn't all that clever. Its interesting that the English are generally far kinder and more tactful with those not as fluent in the brain department as themselves. I was shocked to discover that most French schools do not believe in dyslexia and that if you send your dyslexic child to a French school, the chances are they will be put in the dunces class.

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I just went back to school and it amazes me how many college students don't have a clue how to communicate, using the written word. One of my professors asked the class what a gerund was, today and not one person (Except me) knew. It's a shame that that is the case in a school of higher education.


I couldn’t have made it through school without the ability to write in cursive. School kids today use their laptops to learn and their Ipads and Smart phones to communicate. Research has shown that the simple act of hand writing and constructing the letters by pen on paper increases our ability to recall information.

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Now, I find that I am completely comfortable allowing people I don't care about to seem lazy or inarticulate but, when someone means something to me, I want others to know them for the intelligent people that I know them to be.


Surely if we don't know them we can't presume they are being lazy. When we label others we are displaying our reluctance to make the effort to understand them. If I avoid thinking and jump to conclusions about their intelligence or lack of it, then its me who is being stupid.









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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/4/2014 5:43:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		To quote DaddySatyr...." I think quite a few valid points have been made. "

I can be a bit of a "grammar police", although I think I have loosened up a LOT over the years. But for me, it really depends on the medium and the circumstances where the errors are made. Texting on a cell phone is usually done very quickly, and sometimes the small size of the keys can make it difficult to type a message quickly without any errors, so texting errors usually don't bother me too much. Although I still HATE textspeak...."U" and "B" are letters, not words.

On the other hand, if you're composing something that a number of other people are going to see as their first impression of you, you need to put some conscious, careful effort into it and then proofread it before you put it out there for everyone to read. I can deal with all kinds of errors in text messages and chat messages (and even posts on these message boards) because they are typed fast and on the fly, but when someone's CS profile is littered with spelling errors and bad punctuation, it's an immediate turn-off.

I have learned to keep my mouth shut when I spot these errors, especially online, but I do have to mention one that REALLY DRIVES ME CRAZY..... Why do so many men use the term "women" (plural) when they mean "woman" (singular)? I've seen so many profiles that say something like "I'm looking for a women for a LTR". On the other hand, maybe it's just a Freudian slip and they are just letting me know that they would be a philanderer.


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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/4/2014 5:48:45 PM   
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My profile specifically states: I iz looking for a women for LTR, cuz I iz ur dominate.


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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/5/2014 5:03:07 PM   
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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/5/2014 5:50:19 PM   
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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/5/2014 10:24:43 PM   
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grammar and spelling is not a reliable indication of intelligence

I can deal with some pretty messy word salads served up by people for whom English is a second language. But for native speakers, verbal ability and intelligence are highly correlated. Granting that some people are simply lazy, that is still far from a compliment, and often they are just as lazy intellectually. More useful, perhaps, considering the venue, you may also care to know that there is an inverse correlation between verbal ability and psychopathy.

That said, I don't usually correct people unless they are making a show of how "intelligent" they think they are.

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