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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 8:34:40 AM   
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I’ve never understood why some posters feel the need to correct every stray comma in another persons post.


I expect there are likely quite a number of reasons:

It could be a Red Herring, as you've pointed out it can distract from the subject.
It could be a result of someone's OCD.
It could be someone honestly trying to help.
It could be somebody trying to feel superior.
etc.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 8:45:41 AM   
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It's okay, this little project I'm working on now will triple the comas in the check, so it's all good.

Jus sayin


I've been in a coma for decades, and am not in need of triplication.

Thx, tho.



Hup, you have the advantage of being more cerebral comatose than most people that are alert and cogent.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 2:39:30 PM   
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There comes a point where a person needs to say to himself "I don't understand the language as well as everyone else does, I should learn it."




Sometimes the thought crosses my mind, but I disregard it as soon as it comes along. Many years ago, when I should've been learning where exactly the comma goes, I designed and fabricated an atomizer that gave a 318% fuel mileage increase in combustion motors. At that time I didn't know where the commas went, but the guy writing the check knew exactly where to put them. That was probably the defining moment that rooted me in my ignorance and ever since my feeble little mind continues to rely on the check writers grasp of comma usage as I tinker on new check delivery systems.

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Unfortunately ET....most people who can write clearly aren't nearly as brilliant as you are. As I said before....you are a special case.


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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 3:07:55 PM   
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There comes a point where a person needs to say to himself "I don't understand the language as well as everyone else does, I should learn it."




Sometimes the thought crosses my mind, but I disregard it as soon as it comes along. Many years ago, when I should've been learning where exactly the comma goes, I designed and fabricated an atomizer that gave a 318% fuel mileage increase in combustion motors. At that time I didn't know where the commas went, but the guy writing the check knew exactly where to put them. That was probably the defining moment that rooted me in my ignorance and ever since my feeble little mind continues to rely on the check writers grasp of comma usage as I tinker on new check delivery systems.

Jus sayin



Unfortunately ET....most people who can write clearly aren't nearly as brilliant as you are. As I said before....you are a special case.



Wait a minute... Special special, or short bus special? Nvm, I'm good with either.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 3:11:31 PM   
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Deep breath, deep breath, deep breath..... Ok that was a tad harsh.
Should the mother of a Down Syndrome adult child tell him to stop writing letters because its just a load of gibberish?.




Oh no...not at all.....but that's a mother reading her child's writing and that's up to her what she wants to do with it. But like I said in the earlier post, if I start reading something that comes across to me as gibberish, I stop reading it and move on. So as long as the mother doesn't expect me to read it, everyone is happy.

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It doesn't tend to hold them back in their careers though. Dyslexic people often have the gift of speaking eloquently and providing someone proof reads their CV, they are just as likely to be picked out from an interview and employed successfully.


As someone who works in HR....they may interview well, but if they are told to submit a writing sample at the interview, as my employer does with many higher level positions, that person is still screwed.


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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 3:17:10 PM   
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Unfortunately ET....most people who can write clearly aren't nearly as brilliant as you are. As I said before....you are a special case.

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Wait a minute... Special special, or short bus special? Nvm, I'm good with either.

Jus sayin




Of course I meant "special special".....as if there were any doubt! I would never say you were "short bus special". Although I have to admit that you do have your occasional "padded cell moments"....



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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 3:19:21 PM   
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Occasional? Now you're just being mean!

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 3:44:02 PM   
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When people are able to write to try hard to make good impressions with the audiences to communicate, with and writing, is hardest for smarter people, they are smart and inside of brains, but they might not always to choose the write word that doesn't mean they aren't intelligent.

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Not very clear, is it? Sure you can exclude commas, use slang, inject a bit of patois now and again, but if no one knows what you are talking about because you lack a fundamental ability to logically express your thoughts, then you aren't intelligent (excepting neuropsychological disorders). My "sentence" above proves that. It took me quite a while to write that because forcing myself to write incoherently, illogically and ungrammatically required effort. It's antithetical to clear thinking. (And, yes, I've read writing as bad as what I constructed above.)



No its not clear and I may find myself asking why.

Could it be a foreign speaker?. I know that I've made a pretty big fool of myself in with the written word in French. I also know what its like living in a foreign country and struggling with the language. I know how it feels to be teased about those difficulties.

Perhaps its lack of education. Plenty of kids, at least here in the UK, slip through the net because of environmental or personal problems. If they aren't stimulated mentally as children, they will have difficulty as adults, no matter how hard they try.

It could be that they have a learning disability. Perhaps its something common like Dyslexia or is it because they were oxygen starved at birth or had a brain injury later in life?. The thing is, I don't know their history and because I don't know their history, I have no right to point out to them that they are stupid. Will pointing this out change them? will it make them go away and try harder? of course it won't.

How can we mock and throw accusations of laziness at people we don't know?




Unlikely to be a foreign speaker. They tend to misconjugate verbs, leave out articles, sometimes change the order of parts of speech (because the order is different in others languages -- e.g., Blue dish on table you please get for me. I specifically excluded neuropsychological matters, and dyslexia, alexia, any aphasia, really, constitutes such. What I wrote was, by and large, gibberish. No one speaks or writes like that. Why? Because under any grammatical system, it is illogical. An uneducated person might ("might," because an educated person could say this, too) say:

Everything going on in the world. Such a downer, making me sad. I feel like it is just wrong somehow.

An educated person (or perhaps a pedant) might say:

This raft of homicidal maniacs call ISIS, jingoistically believing they assert and deserve sole dominion over Earth itself ... I have passed through uninterest, lassitude, and disgust to arrive at a state of perpetual melancholia, the apocalypse arisen today.

While there's more to chew on in the latter, the point is both are understandable: everyone can understand the first one, while most people get what the second one is saying (but only a few fully understand it without a dictionary). Lack of education, foreign diction, etc. don't usually undermine comprehension. Once you get to that stage, as in my example, then yes, there are in almost all cases significant deficits present in critical thinking, intelligence and reasoning ability.




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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 3:52:19 PM   
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There comes a point where a person needs to say to himself "I don't understand the language as well as everyone else does, I should learn it."




Sometimes the thought crosses my mind, but I disregard it as soon as it comes along. Many years ago, when I should've been learning where exactly the comma goes, I designed and fabricated an atomizer that gave a 318% fuel mileage increase in combustion motors. At that time I didn't know where the commas went, but the guy writing the check knew exactly where to put them. That was probably the defining moment that rooted me in my ignorance and ever since my feeble little mind continues to rely on the check writers grasp of comma usage as I tinker on new check delivery systems.

Jus sayin



Unfortunately ET....most people who can write clearly aren't nearly as brilliant as you are. As I said before....you are a special case.



Thing is that ET's writing is excellent. It's moving, compelling and clear. It combines witty self-depreciation with the telling of a coherent story. It has a message. Really what he wrote is an A+, regardless of whether the grammar's perfect or not. Compare this with the typical college student's writing:

I used to think it was important to learn more grammar and language. Something once happened to me and I changed my mind. The thing that happened to me is that I was hired to build something called an atomizer and I designed and fabricated it. It worked really well and it gave an increase of 318% percent in combustion motors. The company that hired me, they were so impressed with it that they paid me a lot of money. They didn't pay attention to my exact grammar. Because they didn't do that but they paid me a lot of money I changed my mind and said it was better to get the money. So that is what I did.


Same story, no flair, some needless repetition. Except for a few minor errors I put in there (including using "gave" instead of "produced" or "generated," but the grammar is basically correct. But it's boring. Dead. The narrative crumbles because you don't care. This is why ET's writing is an A+ and the example I just created is a C at best.



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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 4:04:48 PM   
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I just finished writing a short story that I'll post on here. I have a very spechul friend looking at it... Cuz I usually just drop a handful of punctuation in my blunderbuss and shoot at the page... As soon as she sends it back to me I'll post it.

Disclaimer: she's as sledexia as I am.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 4:09:58 PM   
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I just finished writing a short story that I'll post on here. I have a very spechul friend looking at it... Cuz I usually just drop a handful of punctuation in my blunderbuss and shoot at the page... As soon as she sends it back to me I'll post it.

Disclaimer: she's as sledexia as I am.


If the story is XXXXX-rated, no one will care about the grammar. Especially if there are pictures.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 4:13:59 PM   
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Nope, not x-rated in the slightest. But it'll certainly piss off all the gossip girls in P&R.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 5:36:25 PM   
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There comes a point where a person needs to say to himself "I don't understand the language as well as everyone else does, I should learn it."




Sometimes the thought crosses my mind, but I disregard it as soon as it comes along. Many years ago, when I should've been learning where exactly the comma goes, I designed and fabricated an atomizer that gave a 318% fuel mileage increase in combustion motors. At that time I didn't know where the commas went, but the guy writing the check knew exactly where to put them. That was probably the defining moment that rooted me in my ignorance and ever since my feeble little mind continues to rely on the check writers grasp of comma usage as I tinker on new check delivery systems.

Jus sayin



Unfortunately ET....most people who can write clearly aren't nearly as brilliant as you are. As I said before....you are a special case.



Thing is that ET's writing is excellent. It's moving, compelling and clear. It combines witty self-depreciation with the telling of a coherent story. It has a message. Really what he wrote is an A+, regardless of whether the grammar's perfect or not. Compare this with the typical college student's writing:

I used to think it was important to learn more grammar and language. Something once happened to me and I changed my mind. The thing that happened to me is that I was hired to build something called an atomizer and I designed and fabricated it. It worked really well and it gave an increase of 318% percent in combustion motors. The company that hired me, they were so impressed with it that they paid me a lot of money. They didn't pay attention to my exact grammar. Because they didn't do that but they paid me a lot of money I changed my mind and said it was better to get the money. So that is what I did.


Same story, no flair, some needless repetition. Except for a few minor errors I put in there (including using "gave" instead of "produced" or "generated," but the grammar is basically correct. But it's boring. Dead. The narrative crumbles because you don't care. This is why ET's writing is an A+ and the example I just created is a C at best.




That one you say your created??? You stole that from ME!!! I'm sure one of my old term papers got on the internet somehow....


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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 6:12:59 PM   
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There comes a point where a person needs to say to himself "I don't understand the language as well as everyone else does, I should learn it."




Sometimes the thought crosses my mind, but I disregard it as soon as it comes along. Many years ago, when I should've been learning where exactly the comma goes, I designed and fabricated an atomizer that gave a 318% fuel mileage increase in combustion motors. At that time I didn't know where the commas went, but the guy writing the check knew exactly where to put them. That was probably the defining moment that rooted me in my ignorance and ever since my feeble little mind continues to rely on the check writers grasp of comma usage as I tinker on new check delivery systems.

Jus sayin



Unfortunately ET....most people who can write clearly aren't nearly as brilliant as you are. As I said before....you are a special case.



Thing is that ET's writing is excellent. It's moving, compelling and clear. It combines witty self-depreciation with the telling of a coherent story. It has a message. Really what he wrote is an A+, regardless of whether the grammar's perfect or not. Compare this with the typical college student's writing:

I used to think it was important to learn more grammar and language. Something once happened to me and I changed my mind. The thing that happened to me is that I was hired to build something called an atomizer and I designed and fabricated it. It worked really well and it gave an increase of 318% percent in combustion motors. The company that hired me, they were so impressed with it that they paid me a lot of money. They didn't pay attention to my exact grammar. Because they didn't do that but they paid me a lot of money I changed my mind and said it was better to get the money. So that is what I did.


Same story, no flair, some needless repetition. Except for a few minor errors I put in there (including using "gave" instead of "produced" or "generated," but the grammar is basically correct. But it's boring. Dead. The narrative crumbles because you don't care. This is why ET's writing is an A+ and the example I just created is a C at best.




That one you say your created??? You stole that from ME!!! I'm sure one of my old term papers got on the internet somehow....



Damn. I thought that was the term paper you bought


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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 6:24:30 PM   
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There is a world of difference between US banks and Canadian banks.. in Canada if you use your bank card and don't have enough in your account they tell you your purchase can't be completed, here in the US the bank wont tell you that, instead it will let you buy the item(s) and then nail you with a $35 nsf fee plus interest plus, plus, plus.. US banks suck big time..


Last month, I 'accidentally' used my debit card to buy some meats and t-shirts and went over my limit. The bank let me purchase the stuff without any problems. I got home and transferred a few dollars from my savings to my debit card account. I rather face a $3 service charge on my savings account than the $35 overdraft fee.


I would rather be told that I cant use that card to purchase the goods so then I would use another card or cash instead and pay no service charges at all.. The slimey bank still made money off your "accident".. there are various other reasons US banks suck too.. I don't need to give a Canadian bank my SIN number (equivalent of your SSN) if its an account that doesn't pay any interest.. here in the US they all insist on having your SSN.. The widespread use of SSN for identification here in the US is one reason why ID theft is so rampant..
Just sayin'..

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/6/2014 6:50:43 PM   
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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/7/2014 12:25:47 AM   
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As someone who works in HR....they may interview well, but if they are told to submit a writing sample at the interview, as my employer does with many higher level positions, that person is still screwed.



When my other half, a dyslexic an aspie graduated with honours in both engineering science and physics he wasn't asked for a writing sample by his future employer . Neither was he asked for a writing sample when he was approached by a well known physics magazine and asked to write a regular column.

I will warn him about not applying for a higher level positions. I really don't want to knock his confidence at this stage in his career.




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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/7/2014 12:37:07 AM   
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I have seen some profiles suggesting the Cat Ass Trophy might be more popular than we think.

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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/7/2014 12:05:49 PM   
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When I read this, I had to share it here...




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RE: Grammatical Pedantry! - 9/7/2014 1:19:38 PM   
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Blonderfluff, that list is . . . . expealidocious ! !

subrosaDom post 45 got it right:
"text-speak does have a grammatical structure. So does Ebonics. That's what's missing from this discussion. Something ungrammatical does not parse according to the rules of particular language . . . . People are confusing languages they don't like (e.g., text-speak or Ebonics) with ungrammatical utterances in languages. You can be a genius and use the former. . ."


On Maria's original thought:

Better2 practice acceptance of small differences, than pontificate the smallness of intolerance.



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