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Yes, conservatives are like liberals in having strange and weird ideas on how best to run government and society. Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. There really are a couple of crazy liberals; but its nothing compared to the throngs of conservatives that are not operating with a brain or exist in our reality.

Citation please. Because in the last year where I have gotten tons of checks from doctors and such about my mental and emotional health, not ONCE was I asked questions about my politics.

For someone that doesn't understand mental and emotional health, I'm not really surprised by your view. Did those doctors ask you directly about your political viewpoints? And then observe, over a decent period of time (say 4-6 weeks, of 1 day visits), how you act and react to events in the political sphere? No....because they are professional. If you thought you had a problem, you would visit a mental/emotion health professional (a general practice medical doctor can help if none exist in your area), whom would try to determine if what your saying and viewing is indeed just 'political thought' verse "the squirrels...the squirrels control the White House! They look at me from the kitchen window.....planning....plotting....". There is no way even a skilled therapist could determine in a dozen questions if you had a mental and/or emotional health problem. Unless they had some evidence to say something was wrong before hand.

Its estimated by many sources that the number of individuals suffering form Depression, for example, is twice the actual number. And that those not obtaining treatment are not aware of how the illness is effecting their daily lives. Could the illness effect their political views? And the answer is 'yes'; more of the negative than positive. How would a paranoid-schizophrenia person behave whom held conservative political views and own firearms (for a specific example), to something the President does, and to which the conservative media blows out of proportion (they LOVE doing that)? The one that has been diagnosis properly, with medication (if directed), and therapy would most likely not fly off into a rage. Can we say the same of the undiagnosed individual? An society will have to deal with the undiagnosed individual....after....they fly into a rage.

Here is something that could aid you in understanding.

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Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'

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I think she was asking for a link proving your claim that "Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. " and I have to admit I would love to see the study also.

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Hey critical thinking is great and I wish a very significant portion of conservatives would learn how to do it however that's not the same thing as trolling for Jesus. The time to "teach the controversy" is when there's an actual scientific controversy.

And what uncontroversial science isn't being taught?

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Catastrophic global warming caused by a human induced runaway greenhouse effect? Disproven.

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.

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Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'

Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?

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I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.

I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.

I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'

Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?

It's not the original article I read (which went more in depth about the ideological history of the GOP of the last 50 years, particularly how they started off not caring one way or the other about abortion, and after the Brown v Board of Education case started really building the Christian Law component of the Republican Party. They even cite a report by UCLA (who was earlier described by subrosaDom as "run by Christian right-wing creationists who believe Obama is Satan incarnate")

http://www.alternet.org/story/154425/why_the_racist_history_of_the_charter_school_movement_is_never_discussed

Anyway, ask and ye shall receive.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Hey critical thinking is great and I wish a very significant portion of conservatives would learn how to do it however that's not the same thing as trolling for Jesus. The time to "teach the controversy" is when there's an actual scientific controversy.

And what uncontroversial science isn't being taught?

Geology, Cosmology and Biology all immediately come to mind as subjects that are being compromised by christian extremists for reasons which have nothing to do with science.

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Catastrophic global warming caused by a human induced runaway greenhouse effect? Disproven.

It is? Why is it that climatologists overwhelmingly disagree with you?

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.

I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

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Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'

Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?

It's not the original article I read (which went more in depth about the ideological history of the GOP of the last 50 years, particularly how they started off not caring one way or the other about abortion, and after the Brown v Board of Education case started really building the Christian Law component of the Republican Party. They even cite a report by UCLA (who was earlier described by subrosaDom as "run by Christian right-wing creationists who believe Obama is Satan incarnate")

http://www.alternet.org/story/154425/why_the_racist_history_of_the_charter_school_movement_is_never_discussed

Anyway, ask and ye shall receive.

I suggest you provide a QUOTE where I say "Fox news is left-leaning." What I actually said was that if you include ALL journalists, including those at Fox News, you get 95% who vote Democrat. That's a fact. You can'tn back up what you claim I said. Because you made it up. Retract that please. My comment on UCLA was, uh, SARCASM. In your face sarcasm. How that could be missed -- hmmm, perhaps you skipped those classes on critical thinking? ... of wait, there are no critical thinking classes in most schools, because it's more important to take "Gender identity in zombies and sexist memes: The semiotics of sex in The Walking Dead" -- hint: that's sarcasm, too, but there are plenty of courses very similar to that). Jesus, Lord, Almighty! UCLA is a left-wing paradise, like most of academia. Alternet is a left-wing, crazy-theory site.

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.

I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

Certain right wingers exist inside a bubble inside which they have a different reality from that which everyone else experiences. In the bubble there were WMD in Iraq, Saddam did commit 9/11, Obama was not born in the US and endless other crazy shit they've been told by the right wing media that no one sane would ever believe.

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Everyone thought WMD were in Iraq. The US, Clinton, Congress, the UK. There is some evidence some were moved to Syria. They have uncovered some old chemical weapons in Iraq recently. So it's not on Bush. It was faulty or poor intelligence. Just like our intelligence in Benghazi. Poor.

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Despite warnings from the German Federal Intelligence Service and the British Secret Intelligence Service questioning the authenticity of the claims, the US Government and British government utilized them to build a rationale for military action...

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Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.

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You mean the way gun laws were created to prevent blacks from owning weapons? Interesting.

And, yes, Fox News included, out of all journalists, about 95% vote Democrat. Fact. As for Faux News, I think MSNBC, coupled with some of the NY Times's greatest gaffes, lean more in that direction. The fact that more people watch Fox News, because it's more accurate and more reasonable than the leftist media is a different matter. I'm counting journalists. Want consumers? Check with Nielsen.

Many charter schools are secular. Public schools on the other hand, teach only one religion: All worship the Government. Whatever reason charter schools were originally created for, the fact remains that black parents who give a damn about their kids are turning to them because the public schools are cesspools and failing their children.

I'm ... I'm stunned. It took me five minutes of rereading this post to make sure I didn't miss some hidden joke. Fox News is left leaning? What, in the name of the Goddess, would you consider truly 'balanced' media then if one of (if not the) largest right wing propaganda providers is liberal in your book?

Certain right wingers exist inside a bubble inside which they have a different reality from that which everyone else experiences. In the bubble there were WMD in Iraq, Saddam did commit 9/11, Obama was not born in the US and endless other crazy shit they've been told by the right wing media that no one sane would ever believe.

Everyone thought WMD were in Iraq. The US, Clinton, Congress, the UK. There is some evidence some were moved to Syria. They have uncovered some old chemical weapons in Iraq recently. So it's not on Bush. It was faulty or poor intelligence. Just like our intelligence in Benghazi. Poor. Now, Ken, you do properly say "certain" right-wingers, not all. That's good. Because there is no evidence Saddam committed 9/11. Obama was born in the US, too. It is his policies that are anti-American, and pro Muslim Brotherhood. He needn't be a Muslim to be pro-Muslim and to have admitted terrorists in his admin, i.e., Muslim Brotherhood. Look, Noam Chomsky is American and if he were POTUS, he'd do similar things. So to focus on a birth certificate is stupid. I prefer to focus on actions. Which are appalling.

Now if you look at what the left-wing media says? God help us all. Insane, crazy shit all the time, some of which others and I have touched on in other posts. I leave it to others to gather further evidence should you so desire it. Fact is, there are fucking loons who are left-wing and right-wing. To assert the loons belong only to one political persuasion is fatuous.

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I suggest you provide a QUOTE where I say "Fox news is left-leaning." What I actually said was that if you include ALL journalists, including those at Fox News, you get 95% who vote Democrat. That's a fact. You can'tn back up what you claim I said. Because you made it up. Retract that please. My comment on UCLA was, uh, SARCASM. In your face sarcasm. How that could be missed -- hmmm, perhaps you skipped those classes on critical thinking? ... of wait, there are no critical thinking classes in most schools, because it's more important to take "Gender identity in zombies and sexist memes: The semiotics of sex in The Walking Dead" -- hint: that's sarcasm, too, but there are plenty of courses very similar to that). Jesus, Lord, Almighty! UCLA is a left-wing paradise, like most of academia. Alternet is a left-wing, crazy-theory site.

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I think she was asking for a link proving your claim that "Unfortunately, the number of conservatives that suffer from mental/emotional issues far exceeds the liberal population by 17:1. " and I have to admit I would love to see the study also.

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ORIGINAL: maidheather
Wait a second ... shall we take a few pages out of the history books that the right wing conveniently forgets? The media is 95% liberal? You really mean to say that Faux News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et al, only covers 5% of the media market? And don't forget that charter schools were originally created as a way to bypass the anti-discrimination laws on the books so that white guys could keep the blacks out of their schools. And nowadays, so many charter schools have singular religious components, making them (in my opinion) legally questionable on the idea of vouchers or any government funding due to 'separation of church and state'

Charter schools were created so the white folks could keep the black folks out. Wow, I never know that. You wouldn't happen to have a link to that little fact you could share with us, would you?

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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom
http://online.wsj.com/articles/matt-ridley-whatever-happened-to-global-warming-1409872855 -- uh, they are struggling to explain the 17-year pause in global warming, plus the failure of climate models to accurately predict the temperature rise or to be even close. Leftists don't seem to like the historical record showing the Earth's climate naturally changes due to a variety of factors. Leftists are the ones behind vaccine denial. Teaching children that they should man destroys the planet is PC drivel.

Stop conflating all conservatives with Creationists. Plenty of conservatives, like me, aren't even religious. We love cosmology and all science. We don't ban discussions of global warming by labeling the many legitimate scientists "deniers" (as has the LA Times, among others, done).

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" they are struggling to explain the 17-year pause in global warming"