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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

Interesting reading. Thanks for the replies, everyone.

While there have been some good defenses of chiropractic medicine, I remain dubious enough that I would want my regular doctor's recommendation before engaging the services of one. I should probably count my blessing as joint/back pain has not been a serious issue in my life . . . yet (old age looms ahead).

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

First, should a PhD not be able to use the term "Doctor?" Get a grip. As for insurance defense, their main job is tell everyone there is nothing wrong with them. I worked on that side for less than a month. I knew the first day it was wrong, when the insurance company was trying to tell some guy who lost a limb in a work accident that the shouldn't be suffering from pain, depression, anxiety and a host of other problems that all come from losing your freaking arm. So llb, while I tend to enjoy your posts, well, you have quite a bit of bias on this one.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Chiropractic.....good.

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ORIGINAL: littleladybug

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

First, should a PhD not be able to use the term "Doctor?" Get a grip. As for insurance defense, their main job is tell everyone there is nothing wrong with them. I worked on that side for less than a month. I knew the first day it was wrong, when the insurance company was trying to tell some guy who lost a limb in a work accident that the shouldn't be suffering from pain, depression, anxiety and a host of other problems that all come from losing your freaking arm. So llb, while I tend to enjoy your posts, well, you have quite a bit of bias on this one.

Under that principle, I should be able to call myself a doctor and have it be accepted. I'm a Doctor of jurisprudence...or something like that. Whatever the heck that J means....

Less than a month? Why not be there for several years and really see the "chiropractic for life" BS. The vast majority of insurance claims don't have to do with loss of a limb. They're low speed accidents that involve bilking the insurance company. Literally, people's foot slipping off of the brake and "rear ending" the person in front of them.

And, I am chuckling at the insinuation that I am biased on this. Several months ago, I was rather unceremoniously fired from my job with one of the major insurance companies. I'm currently deciding between plaintiff's firms. Honestly, it's all about this issue. Is my life going to be spent seeing how much money in settlement I can get for these BS claims...or will it be getting payment for people who are actually injured? Hmm...money's the same, but it's far easier to settle with the insurance company for what amounts to nuisance value than to actually take a legitimate case to trial.

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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I’ve been to chiropractors that have done me worlds of good, and I’ve been to some that did more damage than good. My mother went to one about 3 years ago that actually cracked three of her ribs. There are things that they can do, and do very well, but sometimes they try to “fix” things that they shouldn’t be messing with. I went to one for about 4 months that tried to “fix” my lower back, and if anything it felt worse, so I stopped going. The problem, as it turned out, was that I had several vertebrate out of alignment with the disks severely degenerated, and now I’m going into surgery one week from today to have my L4, L5, and S1 vertebrate fused. So, in my opinion he shouldn’t have been messing with it to begin with, and he should have known that he shouldn’t be attempting to do anything with it. Just my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR—

I’ve been to chiropractors that have done me worlds of good, and I’ve been to some that did more damage than good. My mother went to one about 3 years ago that actually cracked three of her ribs. There are things that they can do, and do very well, but sometimes they try to “fix” things that they shouldn’t be messing with. I went to one for about 4 months that tried to “fix” my lower back, and if anything it felt worse, so I stopped going. The problem, as it turned out, was that I had several vertebrate out of alignment with the disks severely degenerated, and now I’m going into surgery one week from today to have my L4, L5, and S1 vertebrate fused. So, in my opinion he shouldn’t have been messing with it to begin with, and he should have known that he shouldn’t be attempting to do anything with it. Just my opinion.

igor, I had the same surgery 8 years ago. Sometimes diagnosing the problems are hit or miss. I ran the full gamit of x-rays, MRI's, orthopedic surgeon consultation, four months of physical therapy to "strengthen" the core muscles, the series of epidural injections. I wasn't acquainted with chiropractic medicine yet, but I would have tried that, too. But when the PT re-evaluated me after four months and found that even though I could crack a walnut with my back muscles, the spine was still shifting, so I took matters into my own hands and went to a neurosurgeon for a consult. I figured since I had nerve pain and pins and needles and tingling, a nerve doctor might be the way to go, lol. He is the only doctor who ordered an x-ray STANDING UP. That is the only way the problem of my lower spine shifting forward showed up where it could be diagnosed. When I was lying flat for the x-rays and MRI, the spine was perfectly in line.

He fused my L4-5 & S1, and replaced the discs that had degenerated away completely, and though it was a grueling recovery, today I'm walking around, bending, twisting, hiking, dancing (when no one's looking), and lifting my grandkids. (Got three now! ) He gave me my life back.

My point is, don't blame the chiro. No, he shouldn't have been trying to "fix" you, but the diagnosis of each problem isn't always cut and dried. X-rays and MRI's can come back fine, but there can still be a mechanical (bones, joints, tendons, ligaments, muscles, etc) underlying problem.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


Like I said...I'll never be wealthy. But I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning and not be ashamed of me or what I do as a doctor.

Ok, I'm really NOT trying to be a bitch here. Honestly, I'm not. But, the consistent reference to being a "doctor" just really is prompting me to call up some of my favorite DOs.

Hmmm...all of the privileges of being an MD, PLUS doing manipulations?? Is that then a "doctor plus"?

I can honestly understand where you are coming from...and really, I don't want to be a bitch at all...but wouldn't it seem less, erm, desperate...to call yourself a chiropractor and be done with it?

Believe it or not, I had a far WORSE view of chiropractors before i entered the field of insurance defense. It was only then that I met some really good chiros. (Actually, chiros that make a butt load of money from telling car accident "victims" that they don't need chiropractic treatment for the rest of their lives. If you haven't done so already, you may want to look into this.)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

First, should a PhD not be able to use the term "Doctor?" Get a grip. As for insurance defense, their main job is tell everyone there is nothing wrong with them. I worked on that side for less than a month. I knew the first day it was wrong, when the insurance company was trying to tell some guy who lost a limb in a work accident that the shouldn't be suffering from pain, depression, anxiety and a host of other problems that all come from losing your freaking arm. So llb, while I tend to enjoy your posts, well, you have quite a bit of bias on this one.

Under that principle, I should be able to call myself a doctor, and have it be accepted. I'm a Doctor of jurisprudence...or something like that. Whatever the heck that J means....

Less than a month? Why not be there for several years and really see the "chiropractic for life" BS. The vast majority of insurance claims don't have to do with loss of a limb. They're low speed accidents that involve bilking the insurance company. Literally, people's foot slipping off of the brake and "rear ending" the person in front of them.

And, I am chuckling at the insinuation that I am biased on this. Several months ago, I was rather unceremoniously fired from my job with one of the major insurance companies. I'm currently deciding between plaintiff's firms. Honestly, it's all about this issue. Is my life going to be spent seeing how much money in settlement I can get for these BS claims...or will it be getting payment for people who are actually injured? Hmm...money's the same, but it's far easier to settle with the insurance company for what amounts to nuisance value than to actually take a legitimate case to trial.

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ORIGINAL: windchymes


....He is the only doctor who ordered an x-ray STANDING UP. That is the only way the problem of my lower spine shifting forward showed up where it could be diagnosed. When I was lying flat for the x-rays and MRI, the spine was perfectly in line.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

First, should a PhD not be able to use the term "Doctor?" Get a grip. As for insurance defense, their main job is tell everyone there is nothing wrong with them. I worked on that side for less than a month. I knew the first day it was wrong, when the insurance company was trying to tell some guy who lost a limb in a work accident that the shouldn't be suffering from pain, depression, anxiety and a host of other problems that all come from losing your freaking arm. So llb, while I tend to enjoy your posts, well, you have quite a bit of bias on this one.

Under that principle, I should be able to call myself a doctor, and have it be accepted. I'm a Doctor of jurisprudence...or something like that. Whatever the heck that J means....

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Less than a month? Why not be there for several years and really see the "chiropractic for life" BS. The vast majority of insurance claims don't have to do with loss of a limb. They're low speed accidents that involve bilking the insurance company. Literally, people's foot slipping off of the brake and "rear ending" the person in front of them.

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And, I am chuckling at the insinuation that I am biased on this. Several months ago, I was rather unceremoniously fired from my job with one of the major insurance companies. I'm currently deciding between plaintiff's firms. Honestly, it's all about this issue. Is my life going to be spent seeing how much money in settlement I can get for these BS claims...or will it be getting payment for people who are actually injured? Hmm...money's the same, but it's far easier to settle with the insurance company for what amounts to nuisance value than to actually take a legitimate case to trial.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

One's bad...we're all bad? I'm in the profession and I've never heard of a D.C. adjusting a spine forcefully enough to cause the circulatory system I the neck to unwind. I know of cases where the adjustment caused an already-present tear to become worse. I also know of cases where the same has happened with P.T.s (medically approved of), Osteopaths (medical doctors who use adjustment), patients (neither medically nor choropractically approved of).

As for the disc problem you have...I can't address it. Never seen you. But I can tell you that the neurosurgeon AND orthopedic surgeon I work with have both told patients of mine that the reason they responded well to their surgeries...and didn't wind up on the over 50% failed back-surgery syndrome list...was the work I'd done through the years.

Of course, with 31 years behind me of knowing when to bring the specialists in, they could have just been blowing smoke up their ass.

For every chiropractic horror story, I can bring you a medical one, as I noted earlier. That doesn't make them all quacks or negligent. Some horror stories, medical and chiropractic, ARE due to fraudulent procedures or poor technique or negligence...but many are due to presentations that do not match up to the underlying condition. In the latter case, M.D.s, D.C.s, D.O.s, P.T.s may get reprimanded and suspended or disciplined but cleared.