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Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 6:31:44 AM

smileforme50

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I've seen a couple threads around here about the use of cages and long term confinement and most of the dominants here don't seem to like the idea. Mostly because they figure that if the slave is confined to a cage, she can't be providing her Master with any service. Makes sense to me.

I was chatting with a dominant this morning and he was telling me that one of his biggest interest is in cages and keeping a slave confined when she isn't serving him. He also said that he likes to use long term cage confinement as a part of "training". He said that the purpose of this and the desired outcome, is for the slave to develop a strong dependence on him....a type of "Stockholm Syndrome" he called it. So that even after the slave is released from the cage and even allowed out into the world to socialize with others, she will still have that psychological dependence and connection to him.

Have any of you ever heard of anything like this actually ever happening in an M/s relationship? I can't believe that if someone is kept confined like that to the point that they have some kind of psychological change, that they wouldn't be damaged in some way and develop some serious issues with dealing with the outside world, especially when away from the Master.

What do you think?

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 6:58:36 AM

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To me, it screams insecurity. What fears and insecurities weigh so heavy on Him that he needs to make her dependent, a psychological prisoner to Him. But we've established that I'd rather be wanted than needed.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 7:33:32 AM

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I have been to parties where the Master made a show of bringing in a cage and placing His slave inside for the duration. I asked her if this was part of their play and she said, "only at parties." She said that He thought it made Him appear more in control, but if that's how One carries Himself...to prove Himself to others instead if being His authentic self, it's a losing proposition.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 8:28:20 AM

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I can come up with reasons for various things, but in the end, it boils down to what turns me the hell on, most of all.

Cages don't, so I don't get that, but I'm sure they do someone.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 8:51:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: SweetnStormySub

I have been to parties where the Master made a show of bringing in a cage and placing His slave inside for the duration. I asked her if this was part of their play and she said, "only at parties." She said that He thought it made Him appear more in control, but if that's how One carries Himself...to prove Himself to others instead if being His authentic self, it's a losing proposition.

But this guy wasn't really talking about using the cage as some kind of kink toy or as a way to periodically amplify the Dom's control so that it's a sexual turn-on. Putting most people into a cage for just a few hours at a party "most likely" won't have any long-term psychological effect on them.

What he's talking about is using the cage as a training tool....as a means to cause a long-term change in the slave's mental and emotional state to affect how she views him and acts toward him. That's what I am questioning and wondering about.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 9:02:04 AM

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I don't have the qualifications to say definitively, but it doesn't sound emotionally or psychologically healthy to me.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 9:53:56 AM

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Or physically. Because most cages aren't jail cell size where you can stand up, lie down and have a toilet there. So if she's unable to move, then when she is let out some months later, she's going to need physical therapy. She will have zero muscle tone, no flexibility, and be unable to immediately start up resuming her life.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 10:53:05 AM

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I know people that like to be caged, its just a part of their part of the million ways to practice bdsm... nothing wrong with it ... now if its unconsensual caging that's a different story...

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 10:59:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ivone57

I know people that like to be caged, its just a part of their part of the million ways to practice bdsm... nothing wrong with it ... now if its unconsensual caging that's a different story...

This, exactly. I know of someone who wants to be a 24/7 prisoner until the end of his days and honestly I would love to indulge him but the tricky part is that I would need at least one or two more subs to be responsible for his care while I'm away. I am wondering how long he would last under such conditions so my interest in part is curiosity. Also because he's possibly the most intelligent (book/ IQ) person I have ever met by far so his motives interest me.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 10:59:33 AM

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I feel if you're trying to force Stockholm Syndrome on a person instead of allowing a connection to form naturally, you're an insecure and dangerous person who has no business forming a relationship.

That said, cages can be interesting. I'd imagine you'd have to take into account the size and relative comfort of the cage, as well as how long the bottom is in there, to avoid any long-term injuries.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 12:17:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

To me, it screams insecurity. What fears and insecurities weigh so heavy on Him that he needs to make her dependent, a psychological prisoner to Him. But we've established that I'd rather be wanted than needed.

Gosh you know how to say all the right things, dontchya! *heart goes pitter patter*

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 1:57:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Or physically. Because most cages aren't jail cell size where you can stand up, lie down and have a toilet there. So if she's unable to move, then when she is let out some months later, she's going to need physical therapy. She will have zero muscle tone, no flexibility, and be unable to immediately start up resuming her life.

That's another thing I've thought about too that I just can't fathom. Although he did say she would be allowed out for the bathroom. But still....that's still not much exercise. Even I get more exercise than that!

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She could scream all she wanted…..I was keeping the umbrella.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 2:06:23 PM

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Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?

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She could scream all she wanted…..I was keeping the umbrella.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 2:13:16 PM

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I think this "dom" is living in fantasyland. And not the good kind. Personally I think I'd go out of my mind with boredom rather than having my psyche become so twisted that I would be emotionally and psychologically dependent on him. I would actually come to resent him. But that's just me. ;)

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 3:18:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Ok....so let's change it a little bit and for the sake of physical mobility and hygiene, the slave is confined to a bedroom/bathroom setup? What if the primary focus of the confinement isn't so much physical....but mental....meaning letting them have a physically comfortable room and bathroom....but no contact with anybody or any mental stimulation? No TV, music, radio, news of the outside world, reading material....and limited contact with the captor? (Just to get fed and be asked if they are well)

Would this have the same effect as a cage with limited mobility except for bathroom breaks?

Again, it is building a total dependency on the D... brain washing, same result, longer time frame.

An hour of total sensory deprivation can have the same effect, in a well controlled scene, but it won't be a lasting "dependency". It'll wear off as reality settles in and the /s recovers. The nature of the scene will dictate the impact you have on the /s... trust, dependency, terror, etc... the mind is easy to fuck with, real easy to damage, and should always be handled with great care.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 3:27:54 PM

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brain washing, same result, longer time frame.

That is what I see this as; a form of brainwashing.

The size of the 'cage' is irrevelent; it's the mental, physical, psychological, and emotional impact that the Dominant is hoping for.

To be totally dependent on another for food, water, mobility, socialization, kindness, etc is both humilitating, and debilitating.

Think about it.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 3:57:52 PM

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Tell this guy he needs to have a big red flag tattooed on his forehead, so everyone can see he is dangerously clueless.

Sorry but when some jackass reads "stockholm syndrome" and this wow, I want to do this to someone, he needs professional help.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 4:29:27 PM

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Pretty good collection of comments.
Attempting to deprive a sub or slave of the ability to function independently in the absence of the Dom is not training but the infliction of injury. This so-called Dom needs to be constrained in his own cage.

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 4:51:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: bowedbeforeyou

Pretty good collection of comments.
Attempting to deprive a sub or slave of the ability to function independently in the absence of the Dom is not training but the infliction of injury. This so-called Dom needs to be constrained in his own cage.

It's possible that he was, and is using this as sadistic catharsis.

Jus sayin

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RE: Cages and Long Term Confinement - 9/28/2014 4:53:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetnStormySub

I have been to parties where the Master made a show of bringing in a cage and placing His slave inside for the duration. I asked her if this was part of their play and she said, "only at parties." She said that He thought it made Him appear more in control, but if that's how One carries Himself...to prove Himself to others instead if being His authentic self, it's a losing proposition.

But this guy wasn't really talking about using the cage as some kind of kink toy or as a way to periodically amplify the Dom's control so that it's a sexual turn-on. Putting most people into a cage for just a few hours at a party "most likely" won't have any long-term psychological effect on them.

What he's talking about is using the cage as a training tool....as a means to cause a long-term change in the slave's mental and emotional state to affect how she views him and acts toward him. That's what I am questioning and wondering about.

That's a great idea, if one's ambition is to be the next Ariel Castro.

For those of us who are sane, such a destruction of spiritual, psychological, physical and intellectual health is neither what the doctor nor the Master should order.

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