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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 12/14/2014 1:33:21 PM   
EmpressElsa


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Driverkitty,

First, that was a well-written post and I enjoyed reading it. I enjoy seeing the difference between what male Dominants experience versus what female Dominants experience.

Personally, I cannot possibly return emails to everyone who writes. 99% of them are rude, gross, weird, stupid, time wasters, etc so I don't bother trying. But you already indicated you weren't talking about those types of emails.

For the ones who seem normal and have actually bothered to read my profile (only about 20% of people who write me), I try to always respond, even if to say, "Thanks, but not interested." I will often tell them why so they can understand that it's nothing personal, we just don't match up somewhere. It is not uncommon for males to respond to these perfectly polite responses with, "Fuck-you fat bitch", "You were ugly anyway", etc. I can tell a lot about a person by the way they handle rejection LOL. On the less annoying side, I often don't get a reply to my response. "Thanks for your time and consideration Mistress," is rare to receive.

What I think you may be experiencing (based on what my male Dom friends have gone through here) is that you are very real and I dare say most others are not. I also wonder how many people you are writing who are not actually who they say there are (e.g. males posing as females for cyber play) or are content in keeping it online in the fantasy realm but aren't up front about it.

Our brains want explanations for things, it's a psychological fact. I imagine it can be so frustrating to repeatedly write polite letters and never hear back. Best wishes on future endeavors!

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 12/14/2014 11:59:09 PM   
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If you would really rather have a response of "no thanks, not interested" instead of just being ignored (which is understandable)....I would hope that people would follow their own words and actually be satisfied with a simple "No thanks, not interested".

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I don't believe many people really want a "thanks but no thanks" email. I think the OP was really just raging against the lack of interest he gets. And as I said earlier, he fantasizes that a "thanks but no thanks" email would be a gateway to further communication that would make the woman change her mind. But if all the women he writes to just wrote back "Thanks but no thanks" -- and it ended there -- I have no doubt he would be extremely irritated.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 12/15/2014 1:43:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingreality
quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

If you would really rather have a response of "no thanks, not interested" instead of just being ignored (which is understandable)....I would hope that people would follow their own words and actually be satisfied with a simple "No thanks, not interested".

I don't believe many people really want a "thanks but no thanks" email. I think the OP was really just raging against the lack of interest he gets. And as I said earlier, he fantasizes that a "thanks but no thanks" email would be a gateway to further communication that would make the woman change her mind. But if all the women he writes to just wrote back "Thanks but no thanks" -- and it ended there -- I have no doubt he would be extremely irritated.

I'm impressed. I won't say why because it might get taken the wrong way by the hypersensitive, but that was perceptive of you, seekingreality.

I had a bit of a learning curve here and did what hasn't been necessary for me to do on vanilla sites, and that is to put key words in my profile. I'm not sure this would dissuade Doms, but this little system of mine gets me very few rude messages anymore.

Not only do people really not want to hear TBNT or Not Interested, they want a reason why you won't make an exception for them. Key words set precedence of greater impact than your stated preferences. Why? Because they are unambiguous and can't be argued with. The only argumentative men I get are switches. The vast majority of male s-types either thank me for my consideration or apologize for bothering me.

-- I inform them that they do not fit the criteria specified in my profile. I often have to tell the Bulk Mailers that they don't fit any of my requirements. (If their message contains my key words, then they will get a response of some sort.)
-- I advise them to read a woman's profile before contacting her and to personalize their message.
-- The ones who did not include my key words get informed that many women on this site put this/these in their profiles, and that if their message doesn't contain them, then their message will usually get automatically deleted. Depending on the sender, I may or may not point out that they either didn't take the time to bother to read my profile or they can't follow a simple instruction, which in either case does not make for a favorable first impression. "You only get one chance to make a good first impression."
-- I then say, "Better luck next time with somebody else [nearby in name of location/who is age-appropriate/optional emphasis on unsuitability as a match]."
-- If their message does contain my key words, I reply to these first. "Not interested. Good luck finding what you seek" or "... Good luck finding a Keyholder Mistress/Chastity Domme," "... I am not looking for a slave/foot fetishist/masochist/bondage bottom," etc.

You can copy & paste your own standard templates if you don't have the time to reply individually. CS has their own form responses to choose from for quick replies, but I never use those.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 1/27/2015 4:05:38 PM   
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I agree with you completely, laziness on lands someone in places they don't want to be regardless the natural position in life..

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 1/27/2015 4:16:07 PM   
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Here's another problem with the OP's approach: In the thread he's described himself as a Daddy Dom available for women into that sort of thing. In reality, it's a couple's profile.

So he's misrepresenting himself right off the bat to his suitors by ignoring the fact there's another partner in his life already. Poly is all well and good, but it's not good to pretend your other half won't affect your relationship and not all babygirls are OK with that.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 1/27/2015 5:43:18 PM   
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Courtesy, like manners, never dies, but it changes, and is always caught up in the prevailing winds of subjectivity.

Take spitting, for example. If I spit in my hand, are you going to shake it or run off screaming OMG Eboooooooooola!!!1!

I don't go hog wild messaging people. In fact I rarely message people on the other side unless they have made a comment on the boards I would like to follow up one on one; if they look at my profile; if we have a previous chain of communication going on; or I stumble across them, perhaps if they post a journal entry and I say to myself, hey, I remember that person, and they were kinda cool.

Subsequently, if I don't get my inbox flooded, I'm not going to be surprised.

And by that same token, if I do message someone I think is neat and they don't reply, I don't sweat it. Maybe they're shy, or have an agreement with their partner that precludes responding to messages (or specific types of people; I've known a few submissive women who wouldn't reply to male Dominants because their partner said so). Maybe they just don't dig my long hair. That's ok, there's no law saying you have to dig guys with long hair. There's no expectation to live up to. Let the basis for having an expectation establish itself, first, and then you have a viable reason for wondering if an established expectation falls through.

**cue the: I wuz talkig to sum girl an she stoppd replyiing, dum bitch faek**


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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/16/2015 12:18:34 PM   
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I began replying politely to each and every message I received. However, after numerous instances where my polite "thanjks but no thanks" reply was met with a snarky comeback, I don't bother to reply where the person has obvioiusly not read my profile, has triggered the spam filter, or is one or two words leading to a blank profile that tells me nothing about the other person.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/16/2015 2:42:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: luvnsub

I began replying politely to each and every message I received. However, after numerous instances where my polite "thanjks but no thanks" reply was met with a snarky comeback, I don't bother to reply where the person has obvioiusly not read my profile, has triggered the spam filter, or is one or two words leading to a blank profile that tells me nothing about the other person.



And this is a common complaint from too many people here and especially from women.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/16/2015 2:53:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
I had a bit of a learning curve here and did what hasn't been necessary for me to do on vanilla sites, and that is to put key words in my profile. I'm not sure this would dissuade Doms, but this little system of mine gets me very few rude messages anymore.


I have a system too.. I changed my age to 90...

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/17/2015 5:38:43 AM   
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When I signed up for this site, I registered as a couple because I AM married, and my Sir might occasionally post here (although doubtful). That alone keeps the trolls away. That being said, when I was single and on different forums, I would get trolled, and usually ended up with the "thanks but no thanks" response to 99% of the messages. I still believe in courtesy, and who knows, maybe the OP is whining, maybe he's just being passive aggressive, or maybe he's a troll. Then again, maybe he's genuine (I didn't read his profile) and just wanted to put it out there and somehow everyone got caught up in over analyzing the details. Who knows, and who cares? The point I got by reading his post was....it seems that most people who put out there what they are looking for don't respond to those who might actually be what they're looking for (if that makes sense). Yes, I know we all get tired of the trolls, and assholes. I get it, simply because I've been there and done that just like everyone else. Personally, I don't read too much into what people type out on forums. I take it at face value, and move on. But who am I to say? I mean, I'm just a newbie on here, and maybe things are done differently. It was mentioned that many new folks stick around for a day or two then leave. I've tried to get on here every day and read a new post or even some of the longer ones, and quite honestly, if someone is new to the lifestyle or to forums, I can see why they'd leave. If they don't have a thick skin, or just have an honest question that wasn't phrased perfectly, I can see them leaving, just based on some of the responses I've read through. Call me what you want, my skin is thick. I just think he was making an observation, and maybe trying to get clarification simply because he is not a seasoned forum veteran. Yes, he came across as whiny, and maybe even forthright, but no one is innocent in making that mistake at least once.

*waits for the flamethrower*

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/17/2015 5:55:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AlabamaPrincess

When I signed up for this site, I registered as a couple because I AM married, and my Sir might occasionally post here (although doubtful). That alone keeps the trolls away. That being said, when I was single and on different forums, I would get trolled, and usually ended up with the "thanks but no thanks" response to 99% of the messages. I still believe in courtesy, and who knows, maybe the OP is whining, maybe he's just being passive aggressive, or maybe he's a troll. Then again, maybe he's genuine (I didn't read his profile) and just wanted to put it out there and somehow everyone got caught up in over analyzing the details. Who knows, and who cares? The point I got by reading his post was....it seems that most people who put out there what they are looking for don't respond to those who might actually be what they're looking for (if that makes sense). Yes, I know we all get tired of the trolls, and assholes. I get it, simply because I've been there and done that just like everyone else. Personally, I don't read too much into what people type out on forums. I take it at face value, and move on. But who am I to say? I mean, I'm just a newbie on here, and maybe things are done differently. It was mentioned that many new folks stick around for a day or two then leave. I've tried to get on here every day and read a new post or even some of the longer ones, and quite honestly, if someone is new to the lifestyle or to forums, I can see why they'd leave. If they don't have a thick skin, or just have an honest question that wasn't phrased perfectly, I can see them leaving, just based on some of the responses I've read through. Call me what you want, my skin is thick. I just think he was making an observation, and maybe trying to get clarification simply because he is not a seasoned forum veteran. Yes, he came across as whiny, and maybe even forthright, but no one is innocent in making that mistake at least once.

*waits for the flamethrower*





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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/17/2015 6:16:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingreality


quote:

ORIGINAL: smileforme50

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If you would really rather have a response of "no thanks, not interested" instead of just being ignored (which is understandable)....I would hope that people would follow their own words and actually be satisfied with a simple "No thanks, not interested".

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I don't believe many people really want a "thanks but no thanks" email. I think the OP was really just raging against the lack of interest he gets. And as I said earlier, he fantasizes that a "thanks but no thanks" email would be a gateway to further communication that would make the woman change her mind. But if all the women he writes to just wrote back "Thanks but no thanks" -- and it ended there -- I have no doubt he would be extremely irritated.



This is possible, maybe even probable.

On any site in the world there are people with something interesting to say.

So, anyone focusing on a lack of replies rather than what the site has to offer, could quite easily be weighed down by the personal issues you suggest.

But, there are other options.

It could be a marketing ploy by the OP.

In all likelihood, they're here to cause mischief. How many people do you know who enter a group, moan about the group and then disappear? I'm always fascinated, though, by these people and how their lives must be just meandering along with little impact or meaning. I suppose it's an internet version of Sartre termed existential angst.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/17/2015 6:44:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlabamaPrincess

When I signed up for this site, I registered as a couple because I AM married, and my Sir might occasionally post here (although doubtful). That alone keeps the trolls away. That being said, when I was single and on different forums, I would get trolled, and usually ended up with the "thanks but no thanks" response to 99% of the messages. I still believe in courtesy, and who knows, maybe the OP is whining, maybe he's just being passive aggressive, or maybe he's a troll. Then again, maybe he's genuine (I didn't read his profile) and just wanted to put it out there and somehow everyone got caught up in over analyzing the details. Who knows, and who cares? The point I got by reading his post was....it seems that most people who put out there what they are looking for don't respond to those who might actually be what they're looking for (if that makes sense). Yes, I know we all get tired of the trolls, and assholes. I get it, simply because I've been there and done that just like everyone else. Personally, I don't read too much into what people type out on forums. I take it at face value, and move on. But who am I to say? I mean, I'm just a newbie on here, and maybe things are done differently. It was mentioned that many new folks stick around for a day or two then leave. I've tried to get on here every day and read a new post or even some of the longer ones, and quite honestly, if someone is new to the lifestyle or to forums, I can see why they'd leave. If they don't have a thick skin, or just have an honest question that wasn't phrased perfectly, I can see them leaving, just based on some of the responses I've read through. Call me what you want, my skin is thick. I just think he was making an observation, and maybe trying to get clarification simply because he is not a seasoned forum veteran. Yes, he came across as whiny, and maybe even forthright, but no one is innocent in making that mistake at least once.

*waits for the flamethrower*







HAHAHAHA! Good one!

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/17/2015 7:18:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Driverkitty

So you have an interest in finding a Heavy Sadist/Daddy Dom/Couple to serve/Transsexual Martian with green skin/Time Traveler from Galifrey. Great! I wish you all the luck in finding what you're looking for, I truly do. We should all be so lucky to find that which completes and satisfies us.

However, there's a problem. Why don't you answer messages that are offering that situation, or at least the potential of it?

Now, I know a lot of you are going to roll your eyes and probably aren't going to even read the rest of this post. You're going to dismiss it as the 'butthurt ramblings of a dom who's crying about being rejected'. And, to be fair, it does bother me a little that someone might write a decent message and go completely ignored. However, consider:

Let's say you post looking for a 'Daddy Dom, between 30 and 50, who will both spoil and keep a firm hand' Okay, fantastic. Such a guy writes you. And I'm not talking about the 'Hey, whore, come knee-walk over to your MASTER and suck my balls!' kind of messages - unless you're into that. I think most aren't, but you can find anything in this community.

I'm talking about the genuine person who writes and says, for example, 'Hello there, I am a XYZ (Daddy Dom in this instance) and I've been looking for someone into that. Let's talk about the possibility of exploring that together'. Someone who doesn't make any assumptions, doesn't right off the bat try to decide that you're already theirs (or they're already yours, in the case of an S-type writing to a D-type). I'm talking about the person who tries to be courteous, who doesn't go overboard in the beginning, who is willing to take their time and try to get to know you. Why not reply? And I'm NOT saying that all offers should be accepted. Just replied to. If you don't care for the person, just take a moment, have a little courtesy, and says 'Hey, I appreciate the message and attention, but I'm afraid you're too far away/a little older than I had in mind/I don't like men with red hair/prefer someone from Mars rather than Saturn.' It takes..what, 30-40 seconds? Is your time THAT infinitely precious?

If someone writes to you, and they are responding to something that YOU said YOU were looking for, in a manner that seems genuine and interested - well, of course you don't OWE them anything, not a response, not a looking over of their profile, not even a reading of their message. You can just move on and pretend it never happened. However, wouldn't it be courteous? We all complain about the nastiness in the BDSM community - how some people act like idiots, how some people Just Don't Get It, how we're fed up with pretenders and fakes and so on. So why contribute to it? In ignoring that well-meant, genuine message that was respond to what YOU said YOU wanted, you're furthering the lack of courtesy - it's no wonder that people GET so angry and hostile and start to try to push too much. They maybe start to think "Well, maybe being genuine and sincere is why I'm not getting responses, so I'll try another way'.

Instead of isolating, try educating. Girls, I understand that you get a zillion and one messages a day, I really do. I've seen my girl's inbox after only an hour. I've seen some of the crazy, insane crap that gets past your spam filters - and that's not the message I'm referring to. Those, sure, toss them without even looking. But if someone does approach and seems sincere, tell them what's up. Rejection is part of life, that's a fact, but is there really any reason to make it worse than it has to be? Just because you're in demand doesn't mean that you should treat people like non-entities. You CAN, of course, but that just means you're furthering the atmosphere of hostility and lack of courtesy that you yourself complain about.

And this goes for men and women. No one is immune here. If a message seems genuine, respond. It only takes a minute to write "Hey, thanks, but your approach was a little soft for me. Good luck'. Or 'I appreciate your message, but I am looking for something softer'. It might just be that the person who wrote thought YOU might appreciate the tone they were taking, even if it's not what they would usually extend. We all want to get others' attention - give them a second chance, maybe tell them what you had in mind - that might be what they were the whole time.

At any rate, thank you for reading - I know this is going to get a number of TL;DR comments, as well as 'So you got rejected, stop whining' replies - that just means you missed the point, and maybe should read again and think. It's all about courtesy - something that dominants flat-out demand, and submissives, by and large, I think appreciate. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all learn to embrace that?


I have to be honest but...I've actually never had anyone approach me as to "finding a Heavy Sadist/Daddy Dom/Couple to serve/Transsexual Martian with green skin/Time Traveler".

(Maybe it's just me).

Oddly (crazy huh?)...it's never actually happened.

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RE: The Death Of Courtesy - 2/18/2015 11:07:25 AM   
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My personal rule is to always try to send a polite reply to a polite well though out message.

But as polite well thought out messages are few and far between this doesn't take much effort lol

If i am really bored I send less polite messages to the people that send me messages that make me cringe...

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