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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Not to put too fine a point on it but, the way FD typed (or mis-typed?) the original sentence is correct:
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Not for a lot of people not on welfare from what I've seen.
It seems you are still forced to buy healthcare insurance or face a fine.
If you're barely above the "Welfare" line - the one where you do or don't qualify state aid - you also may or may not qualify for Medicaid/Medicare. While one doesn't necessarily equate to the other, the requirements are usually in the same general neighborhood.
Should consult with a social worker in your area on the particulars of aid from local, state, and federal government to determine what one qualifies for. If you feel you need such aid, speak with your local representative. That's what their there for!
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
There are people that qualify for neither state aid nor [The Affordable Care Act] that are "forced" to pay the new (not lower/more affordable but sextupled) insurance premiums.
Had to correct something there, DaddySaytr....hope you dont mind? 
The law spells out that you are not forced to pay for an insurance plan if you dont want to. Like with other laws, there is a penalty for not doing so. The ACA's is spelled out clearly.
Determining qualification for the ACA is....ALSO...spelled out in the ACA. In both cases, consulting with a local social worker in your town or regional hospital will help you find the information your looking for.
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
You see, some of us had pre-existing conditions but, we had insurance that was decent ($1600/per year) that we had before we were diagnosed. Once [The Affordable Care Act] kicked in, our insurance companies were forced to terminate non-[ACA] compliant policies (Thanks for fucking us, Barry) and while they were obligated to give us a new policy, the prices were quite different (My [ACA]-compliant policy was quoted at almost $9,000/per year).
Who forced who to terminate those policies? You should get your facts straight. The bill, the Affordable Care Act, was voted and signed into law in March of 2010. That means the people we voted for, put it into law. The insurance companies had a chat with their lawyers. The lawyers pointed out which policies would be in violation of the law and which would be 'grandfathered in' under the law. The ACA spells out again, what the penalty for violating this part on policies with insurance companies. When I read this back in 2010, I figured 50-60% of existing policies would get phased out. That number was surprisingly higher. But it made sense. The insurance companies want to mitigate any and all possible 'blow-backs' to their company. That 'grew matter' in court cases spells 'more money going out of their pockets'. How many Americans linked the new policies to the actions of the insurance companies taking at the request of their laywers (true)? Verse those that blamed President Obama of making laws that force those insurance companies to comply? Since its known that the executive branch of our government doesn't make laws......right?
So what did the insurance companies do? They terminated the existing policies (which they could do under most of the 'terms and conditions' of those policies), and assigned all the people onto new, legally-approved, insurance policies. The Obama Administration didn't, nor the Democrats killed your policy; it was the insurance companies.
Given that you never read the ACA, its understandable why you would not know....what....the ACA actually is. Or what its suppose to do. When we dont read this stuff as citizens, we become open to others doing the thinking, and telling us what to think. That's how government go bad; when the population holds less and less interest in things than what is thier civic duty.
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Yeah, the government is taking care of me, just fine. What I'm finding out is that this is just another "property grab". If I were willing to ... say ... sign over my car or house or future residual payments (which the government can force into lump-sum conversion), magically, I would qualify for Medicare/Obummercare.
You should qualify under the ACA right now, without having to take such an....extremist....viewpoint. One of the key parts to the ACA was to make policies equal across the board. You were getting $1,600/year to quote your words, right? What if I told you that the insurance company gave you that rate, but, other people paid $2,300/year for the same thing? Would you have a problem with that? Course not, because your not paying $700 more. Would you complain if the reverse was true? OH HELL YEAH! That's one of many things the ACA does, evens out the cost of the policy based on a number of criteria found through out the document. For example, a policy can not discriminate on the basis of age, sex, or other physical criteria.
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
This law, as I've said since before it's enactment, should have been named: "A Love Letter to the Insurance Industry"
Given that you never read the law, but had other people do your thinking for you; maybe it should be renamed "What percentage of Americans are ignorant?" Or better...."How many Americans are dumb enough to listen to conservative media about health care?"
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